#offshoring

I just hope they don't try to slap the AI label on every barely believable justification. That excuse has become tired already.

New Year new round of layoffs. It was done very quietly and most are afraid to even talk about it. We all know more are coming. The push to rely more on dealers, cutting sales offices, service, and warehousing. Moving towards direct to customer aka drop ship. Jobs being sent overseas for cheap labor. Push for automation and focus on using AI. All geared to eliminate as much of the US workforce as possible. Then act surprised that moral and engagement are so low. Upper Management focused on stupid rules like camera on for calls and more in office days while sales numbers tank and existing customers become more angry. How much time and money wasted on Kickoff meetings and surveys just to sp-t in the face of the workers. Just holding on until I get a new job. It's a sinking ship, man the lifeboats.

There is no US IT left. These rounds will finish us off. The only good news is there is a rumor we heard that David is out looking for a new CIO again. We knew that had to come after the latest mess last month. Maybe the new one will rebuild the function back on shore. Where it belongs. The clowns in India keep sending useless code. Do you see the same? We re-do their work again and again.

Oracle is making a mistake by choosing cheap labor over quality. By hiring fresh graduates to save money and moving work offshore, the company has stopped improving its products and is now just maintaining them.

The experienced people who actually know how things work are being ignored or are waiting to leave, while the bosses at the top keep doing the same old things just to keep their jobs. New hires are using AI to write code, but they don't truly understand the systems.

People are worried stock will drop more because Oracle doesn’t have a strong cloud or AI strategy. Even its financial strategy is poor. No mo--n will go for such a big debt immediately.

To fix this, Oracle needs to analyze stagnant projects. Rework on talents. Get rid of the stuck leadership at the top, and start rewarding the real experts who can actually innovate. Remember Oracle pays low. If it layoff and hires back its going to be another challenge.

I see them visiting India , Bangalore so often.
They hardly visit sites in USA.

And those of you laid off are going to be in way better spots and laughing at the decisions being made today by terrible people who are so shortsighted.

It is no secret that the overseas agents were bad. The ai tools were good sometimes, other times totally wrong with what they said and not helpful. I understand using tech to make it easier. But I have serious doubts that the actions they have taken this month will benefit the company, remaining employees, or customers. In my mind I thought I'll wait it out and when they realize it was a mistake, I'll apply again. But the more I look for new employment and the more time removed from Wayfair, I don't think going back is a good move. Which su-ks because I liked a lot of people there. At this point I'll be happy to get my w2 and be done with them.

managers want us to get excited because we're "getting new coworkers" aka once again outsourcing to india. meanwhile more things on the tech side are broken than ever

Wireless used to be a great company and I loved working there until the Vodafone buyout. Once the telecom executives got a hold of wireless they started the RIF/outsource/off-shore march. The Telecom side hasn't been profitable for decades so you can downsize as your business shrinks. This strategy does not work for wireless when you're adding 250k-1M customers a quarter. Verizon doesn't know how to run a successful business. The telecom senior management removed all the Wireless execs and proceeded to turn Verizon Wireless into Verizon Telecom which was a death sentence. Verizon has never bought a business that they haven't destroyed with the same failed strategy of RIF/outsource/off-shore. That's the only thing they know and it has never worked. They did the same to YAHOO, American online and countless other acquisitions. As soon as I heard about the Vodafone deal, I said within 10 years, wireless will be ruined and I was right. When I left, I tried to transfer my concession number to my private phone (after approvals). I was totally offline for 4 days and ended up just having my non-concession number restored. Because I recently bought a new phone on a promotion, it was also cancelled as they tried to change my number. Took me another 6 months to get my billing corrected. They RIF'd everyone on the wireless side who knew what they were doing. These id--ts never learn. They keep doing the same thing expecting a different outcome. Sounds like insanity to me. I took a VSP but I feel really bad for the folks still trying to hold on. My advice... if you're under 50 years old take a RIF and find a company that appreciates you. If you're 50 or older, find something first. It's not easy finding a comparable job and salary once you get into your 50's.

Wise up.

pepsico lays off every year. every. dang. year. at some point they’ll have to cut the overlaid matrix orgs — especially any group with “global” in the name. but this probably isn’t that year. there are still plenty of white-collar u.s. jobs that can be cut and re-assigned to india and mexico.

pepsico is dangerously close to a real brain drain in the american market. most analysts and lower-level management are now abroad — and, frankly, wholly inept — which means there’s no street-level understanding of the u.s. market. you could definately blame christy jacoby and brent crombie for that mess, whether they’ll ever recieve accountability or not.

Just heard about the reductions over in Marketing. They sent out a new org chart, which I got to see just now. They are getting rid of a lot of senior manager and up, and are expanding offshore support. Anywhere I’ve ever worked that started relying heavily on offshore, has paid the price eventually. If you work at TIAA and are getting a high salary, be very wary. Any of us could be next. Luckily, I’m underpaid for my role so they’ll keep my indentured servitude around for a little longer I bet.

When will we come together to stop outsourcing and H1b?

Look at the steps: centralize, lay off, outsource. They're clearly building a system to replace the US based work with cheaper options. The new tools are designed so lower skill workers can do it. We're being managed out.

They are laying off everyone in the United States and hiring in all these hubs in Costa Rica, Manila, Mumbai, Warsaw. They are paying the workers for cheap labor. Thats how they are planning to cut expenses yet they are racking in millions by American investors. How are these employees in these countries will be able to communicate and have professional conversations when they will be working with business leaders based out of the US? The government needs to start investigating what is going on and start taxing these big corporations that are shipping American jobs overseas.

Many skilled and hard workers from Montreal were let go today. Very sad to see jobs moving to India.

I wouldn’t mind being on that list tomorrow.
I don’t like anything about this company. I’ve
seen my team(s) slowly fire onshore only
and slowly hire offshore only. Probably
speaking from a place of privilege, but not
having any more sleepless nights filled with
anxiety would be nice. At least until the next
j*b, that is.

Just seems to me like they would first target onshore contractors and then usually offshore contractors, and then onshore FTEs? If anyone has more data about who they're targeting, would greatly appreciate it

They're just slowly getting rid of everyone, first by offshoring and then with AI. They don't seem to realize that ki-ling jobs also degrades or ki-ls your products. But hey, no job is safe anymore anyway, I guess, so it is what it is.

Former marketer at Elevance Health, now aiming to transition into UnitedHealth Group. Eight-plus years in healthcare marketing, with parallel consulting work for Medicare organizations.

A pattern keeps surfacing: a meaningful share of U.S. healthcare marketing roles are being placed in India. This is difficult to reconcile with the reality of the work. These are American companies serving American patients, operating under U.S. regulations, and handling highly sensitive U.S. health data. Yet core marketing execution and channel leadership are increasingly offshore.

Elevance followed the same trajectory.

This is not framed as xenophobia or talent denial. It is a structural contradiction. Healthcare marketing is inseparable from CMS rules, state-specific nuances, cultural context, compliance risk, and real-time coordination with U.S.-based legal, product, and clinical teams. Offshoring these functions optimizes cost while quietly increasing operational and regulatory fragility.

Job reference illustrating the pattern:
Associate Director – Channel Lead – Digital/Social
Requisition: 2339060
Location: Gurgaon, Haryana, India

This reflects a broader corporate strategy shift, not an isolated posting. Whether it is cost arbitrage, shareholder optics, or internal margin engineering, the outcome is the same: American healthcare expertise displaced from American healthcare execution.

I've been doing a lot of work with a MX City team lately, and they are just awful. They routinely just don't do what they're supposed to, and ignore questions during meetings. Their manager just says "they're shy" when asked about things, as if that's okay.

It's annoying enough that companies like TR are gutting the middle class by offshoring everything, but on top of that the lucky few of us who have not had our jobs offshored yet are apparently expected to work overtime to make up for the offshore team's ineptitude.

Obviously this is just one experience and team, but has anyone else seen this? Not sure if I've just gotten unlucky, or this is more of a widespread issue.

how long will Medicaid D snip member services still be on shore? Does anybody know? Is it safer for me to jump over to the provider service aside the constant bloom of when the firing is gonna come it’s just stressing me out to the end. Is there a position that’s not for me transferred on unsure to another country

Execution is offshore.
Accountability is onshore.
Answers are expected instantly — from US leaders — even when the work is “handled” elsewhere.

So if leadership asks a question and you don’t know because the team is offshore? That’s your problem. Which means US folks quietly become backup, escalation, translator, and babysitter… on top of their real jobs.

Meanwhile:
• India and Mexico are on holiday (again).
• US teams keep things moving (as usual).
• Offshore teams won’t engage unless you’re senior enough.
• And somehow there’s monthly travel to the US with no agenda, no outcomes, just vibes.

But don’t worry — it’s “saving money.”

No one seems to track:
• US leadership overhead
• Context switching and rework
• Travel costs
• Decision delays

If the US is still accountable, always on, and filling every gap…
are we actually saving money — or just calling it offshoring and hoping no one does the math?

Many of us are just hanging out at work doing the very minimum work that we can get away with without getting fired all awhile laughing about getting paid well for doing almost nothing. Also laughing about how we all know we're being replaced by automation and off-shoring and that we'll eventually be laid off. Well haha yeah we WANT to be laid off! And we ain't leaving until they PAY us to leave! It's so easy to just stay on the payroll and take advantage of all the paid days off for all the many reasons. And we laugh because we just don't care! Also because the company cannot touch us. Haha... no matter what you say, we just don't give a flying fock!

Lots of talk on here how LCM is to blame for messing up Corporates, but anyone take a look at the Head of Customer Success, GW?

Not only is this guy one of the most selfish, self involved leaders I have ever seen, he is responsible for offshoring renewals to Mexico City and wasting thousands in failed software initiatives. Thomson Reuters still hasn't billed thousands in renewals, thanks to this guys decision to reorg.

The running joke around the CSM org is he just have dirt on the high ups....

For a guy that singhandledly tanked Gainsight and has never met with a customer, in any other org a "leader" like this would be fired. Thanks for wasting an entire year of work with no backup plan.

If the stockholders only knew how bad recurring revenue is in corporate due to bad decisons they would be horrified.

Depending on the time of the workday and degree of swivel of your chair, you can be either:

Working on Gainwell systems
Pretend to be a Microsoft support engineer
or
IRS agent threatening to arrest someone

Hello India my old friend
I’ve come to offshore once again
Cause the layoffs softly creeping
And the US teams just keep shrinking
And the H-1bs, they’re already in the queue
Nothing new…..
Welcome to the cycle of layoffs

https://chevron.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/jobs/job/Houston-Texas-United-States-of-America/Strategic-Workforce-Planning-Lead_R000068323

It’s smart that they would wait until after making sweeping changes to the workforce to bring in someone to develop a workforce plan.

Expect more offshoring, more layoffs, and less stability for the foreseeable future.

Has anyone heard of benefits dept being offshored? I’ve seen 2 posts on linkedin since yesterday from people on benefits team looking for next opportunity.

why does it seem like Finance roles are hardly impacted by offshoring, layoffs, pay freezes, AI replacements, etc.

But others are? Finance and Senior Leadership seem to be exempt?

Rebadged employees that you may work with from your core are being released. I wish all the best.

In fiscal year 2025, Wells Fargo Bank filed 638 LCAs for H-1B visas, 177 labor petitions for green cards, and 230 requests for prevailing wage determination.

https://www.myvisajobs.com/employer/wells-fargo-bank/

This Would Make Sense. After Q1 2026 earnings announcement. I think the global corporate role renaming from fall 2025 will Result In OffShoring and/or duplicate role cuts. Very Specific S&T roles were grouped into More General Roles. Campus hires happening in much higher headcounts at ICC than Purchase (“global HQ”). The Labor is Cheaper overseas, and the stock is almost Flat Over the last 5 years.

Putting this up for visibility. Found at @ah+1ken6hm4m.

https://shublawyers.com/in-the-news/gainwell-technologies-reportedly-exposes-americans-private-information-overseas/

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/medicaid-firm-struggles-to-block-patient-data-from-india-workers

Hey DP,
You know we believe your teams in India are doing the same.
Do our customers know this?
Better clean this up.
Keep on sending those jobs to your friends.
This is what happens.

Numerous UK newspapers picking this one up over the weekend, including The Times, The Daily Mail, and others.

No doubt their risk exposure / scrutiny with the regulators will increase as they continue to offshore UK and USA product roles and resources to India on the cheap. Looking at the numbers cited in their financial reports, JustGiving is a total cash cow!

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/justgiving-investigated-misled-profit-tips-bdnjdhqnz

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15450203/JustGiving-investigated-claims-uses-underhand-tactics-money-donors-order-boost-profits.html

After cutting 20+% FTEs and 50-75% contractors the work remains the same. Management is ok to do the resources cut but no spine in negotiating the deliveries.

On one side we hear reorg and new priorities are not out. On the other side selfish, gutless leaders are just pushing deliveries to save themselves with less resources

I am truly sorry for anyone that lost their job yesterday, that really su-ks! But all of us that are still here it should be a wake up call, we are all replaceable and cannot depend on this company. With the metrics changes and daily changes and do it this way today and this way tomorrow, we’re all at risk. These off shore teams are making this job harder for the people that know what to do. But it’s cheap labor so who cares they are not giving out correct information. In the end they will have our jobs and there’s nothing we can do about it

Hearing from several prominent people that Goldman Sachs is taking over and mass layoffs are slated for next week (not just this past Friday) and beyond. I am also hearing that our friends overseas (you know- the offshore people in Pune) are going to be receiving any job reqs and locations like Lake Mary and Pittsburgh are going to be, if not phased out, greatly streamlined. Finally, the AI initiative is being met with heavy resistance from the "rank and file" and this, along with RTO and offshoring 'concerns', are a large part of the "rationale" for layoffs...this and the stock market (translation: how it benefits RV). 2025 will be nothing compared to 2026.

Just wondering how South N'Dola our greatest new offshore development is doing. Finally developed after first proposed as an extension to existing field 25 years ago. Was there any oil and pressure left after production from the north and did they find reservoir. Interested to see if there is any competence left in the company.

It's just good old offshore galore. Not much pretending anymore.