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When’s the next RIF? Pick your horse

Alright team, instead of the usual vague “it’s coming soon” posts, let’s actually put dates on the board and argue them out.
Drop your prediction in the comments (or just reply with the letter). Feel free to change your mind later if new rumors surface.
A. Week of Nov 17–21 (the classic mid-November window)
Argument: Historically a common timing, still early enough to clear people before Thanksgiving/holiday blackout periods, and a couple of teams have been quietly hearing “mid-November.” Also lines up with the “finish the year strong on cost” messaging.
B. First full week of December (Dec 1–5)
Argument: Lets them get past Thanksgiving, still hits the books in 2026, and gives managers one more week of quiet planning after the holiday. Some people think leadership prefers not to ruin Thanksgiving week.
C. Mid-to-late December (right before the holiday shutdown)
Argument: Maximum “here’s your parting gift” energy. Clears the headcount for year-end financials and means fewer people around to ask questions. The “Verizon Christmas present” theory never fully dies.
D. January / early Q1 2027
Argument: They already took enough cost out in 2026, want a clean start to the new year, and prefer not to deal with holiday severance processing or COBRA timing headaches. Also gives them more time to finish certain system migrations first.
E. “Nothing until at least March / later in 2027”
Argument: The big moves already happened, remaining cuts will be smaller and more targeted, and they’re shifting focus to execution and AI rollout rather than another big wave this close to year-end.
I’ll start: I’m leaning A with a soft lean toward B if nothing lands next week.
What’s your call and why?
(Bonus points if you actually have a logical reason instead of just vibes.)


New England all hands

So you want to cut expense and create more cash flow wow riveting!! And have Samsung do more work in the area. Can you say ops is getting riffed! Thanks Deane and Heidi what a great idea. Can’t wait for Samsung to f……more cell sites up…. Neeed to get the he-l out of hear before the ship completely sinks


4Q / 1Q RIF? This started at the top. Finish it from there.

20% off the top? Verizon can easily get there by rolling back a fraction of the layers of band 5+ fat built up without touching anyone else. Ever hear of a corporation whose CEO gets axed and is not followed by their disciples? Verizon continues to be saddled with way too many unnecessary SVP's, EVP's, VP's, AVP's, Sr Directors, Directors, etc. It's absurd. And the VZ board needs a slap for allowing it. Bertolini needs to be shown the door. Perhaps a trip to the Verizon annual meeting for an employee presentation of what’s really going on is needed. Any middle manager who threatens a report with "get on the bandwagon or leave'' needs to be reminded – uh, excuse me – “you’re actually the cause of this – and the target.”


The RA cycle is a way for them to push out the PIP survivors

I was PIPed. Absolutely crushed my PIP. Then RA'd during the following RA event. The RA cycle is a way for them to push out the PIP survivors. Unless you have a very strong network of lifelines in other parts of the company you are done at IBM.

Exactly what @jr+1m3jare07 said.


Commerce/Payments cuts

Handful of payments sales reps were cut. More musical chairs with middle managers in the name of AI. More RIF's on the way. Commission checks for CARE keep getting smaller and smaller.


**My predictions for Dec layoffs

I have ZERO insider info, this is my 2c only based on my gut feeling.... Haven't heard anything from HR or upper mgmt. This based on what's been happening lately and how Oracle operates (or at least how I see it operate).

I think another RIF is coming in December, likely before the holidays. Wouldn't be surprised if its a pretty significant one either.

My guesses:

  • Fusion Apps will get hit again, especially M5+ and middle mgmt. Too many mgrs and directors with 1 two 2 ICs reporting to them. Some with nobody lol.
  • Data Platform could see cuts. Hard to justify some of these teams when the numbers aren't there.
  • Cloud orgs not directly tied to OCI/AI growth are probably at risk too.
  • More reorgs, positions eliminated, teams consolidated. Same old Oracle.

We are betting EVERYTHING on AI infrastructure right now. All that money going into data centers has to come from somewhere. My feeling is they'll keep pouring billions into OCI while squeezing the rest of the org.

I've seen people mention 10% cuts between Nov and Jan. No idea if thats accurate but wouldn't shock me.

Again, NO inside knowledge here. Just connecting the dots and going with my gut.

Thoughts? Who's getting hit and how much.


10/29 layoffs

Tomorrow is a 100% guarantee that there is a RIF. It is absolutely occurring in OT and in H&C, it is also the largest headcount RIF of the year. There will be no more in calendar year 26. I am in OI leadership and it was a specific topic in our bi-monthly date with s-leaders.

Bumping from +1m6036mdx for info.


WellMed Cuts

So on 9/16 we had an organizational meeting stating we would need to start working with redeployment teams. That never happened. We were never contacted by those teams. Many of us have called HR and they have told us we are not under redeployment or RIF currently. But today- there was an email that went out saying goodbye to a few people and acknowledged there contributions. But still no formal date. I would encourage everyone affected by this to file formal HR complaints and keep all of these emails. I am also contacting an employment lawyer. The email in question came from Sandra Rubio. There was also a top secret meeting on Monday 10/26 from her that stated more cuts this Friday.


Is today the day in Optum?

Loads of rumors but the Oct and Nov ones aren't as solid or confirmed as others in the past. In previous years the Oct RIF was among the largest of the year along with the Feb RIF. If there is one and you're impacted I wish you you the very best. If people hear of any going on let us know.


Lake Mary news?

Wondering if there’s any updates on Lake Mary and any RIFs/impacted people. Been seeing a lot of LinkedIn posts from people getting hit company wide - wondering if anything is going on with lake Mary.


Who makes the layoff list

I'm a Director (level 13) and have had absolutely no inclusion/participation in anything RIF/layoff related. Weeks ago were asked by our VP boss to give very brief rundown of what each of our direct reports was working on. That was it.

I don't know if one of my direct reports is getting laid off until they actually are.

Found this buried in an older thread's replies, I thought more people should read this, as this question gets asked a lot. The OP is @e2+1m2gtzksc.


I know things are rough with RIFs...but are there any competitors you WOULDN'T work for?

Yes, we have a lot of RIFs and it's really hard to watch our work friends leave all the time... but are there any competitors you think are worse places to work and you would never work there?

For me. "the Z word" or S&N. He-l to the no. The first can't win market share in any space they play in, and the latter is a failing company, imo.