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P4 to another P5 position if IM

Hello my WF friends — I’m hoping to get some insight from hiring managers or recruiters on here. This may benefit others as well.

After many years of solid meets/exceeds performance, I ended up with an IM rating this past cycle. TLDR: my manager and I didn’t really click.

I’ve found a couple of positions in other areas that would actually be a promotion for me. I also have a positive history with one of the hiring managers, as she’s a former manager of mine.

My question is: would WF policy even allow me to be promoted into another role while in the IM “penalty box”? I don’t believe I’m on a formal PIP, so I don’t think I’m required to disclose last year’s IM when applying.

That said, I assume my IM rating would come up during the interview process. If so, I’m guessing the hiring manager would need to make a strong case to move forward with me, given that context.

Anyway, I’d appreciate any thoughts or experiences on this.


Future Forward 3.0

As our company is going through a tough time, I would like to propose the following ideas for saving costs:

• Pay Stephanie to do nothing. She has already proven that she creates negative value, so ensuring she does nothing will immediately increase the company's value.

• Move Bob to Cognizant, ideally to a low-cost location. This will allow him the opportunity to live the idea.

• Fire all the CTOs. Why do we need useless executives who have been unable to modernize our products for years? Replace them with AI bot. Productivity jump.

• Move Kelly to report to Koushik, so that both eventually leave. Huge savings.

Any idea you would propose?


Can someone explain to me what Cisco's strategy is?!

During Chambers' time, there was a very clear strategy and vision: to be number one or two in every product line that Cisco sells, combined with a vision to change the way we live, learn, and play. Today, there is no vision or strategy at Cisco. What is important is to maintain profit margins only. Over the past decade, Cisco has lost significant market share in every product line it sells, and in some of them it has long since ceased to be number one or two.


Cut the dead weight

The layoffs keep happening over and over again but somehow the same useless people always remain. You know the type. The ones who've been here two decades, add nothing, and have mastered the art of hiding. They need to go, ASAP. Cut them and bring in people with current skills and actual energy. Fresh talent, not the same old faces doing nothing.


Return To Office Abuse Fix!

How can there be this many slackers still taking advantage of wfh? I hope the next series of cuts is purely for those that are not following policy. If management is serious about RTO, they should use their data to cleanly broom the folks that are not doing their part at this point and send a message. These cuts are long overdue. All of you real estate agents, photographers, off the books carpenters, and slackers in general could go and Ford would not miss a beat.

Everybody knows the abusers in their area - I personally like the analyst in our area that lives in a multi-million dollar house on the lake and comes into the office 2 days a week - Hey, she has a successful photography business to run!


Bloated workforce

Qualcomm employs over 52k with little or nothing to show for all that. Why do you guys need so many people to collect license royalties? Companies like Broadcom generate massive revenue/market-cap per employee. You guys are in the same space right?

So what is the problem with Qualcomm being in forever in the toilet?


Q1 Results?

Has anyone heard any numbers for Q1 yet? I’ve heard they weren’t great, but no details.

Also hearing of a RIF mid April. But I always take that with a grain of salt. Just curious if anyone here has heard any rumblings?


People are being laid off based on wrong metrics

We are measured on metrics that don’t fully capture the work being done. You can be doing meaningful work and still look like you’re underperforming on paper. There’s a clear disconnect between effort and evaluation. I've seen people who were among our best get on the list of "underperformers" when nothing could be further from the truth. It’s honestly pretty frustrating.


The next excuse for layoffs

It seems BNY is preparing for its next round of layoffs by trying to make people leave voluntarily (shock horror). I’ve been a people manager here for several years now and was told last week I will no longer be a people manager because I’m not senior enough (need to be Sr Dr or above), my staff are in a different location and there aren’t enough people in the team. Every time I hired I wasn’t able to hire in my location because it was ‘too expensive’, whilst at the same time new MDs and Sr Dr’s were being hired at ease. The team I’m in has reduced from 32 to 18 FTE over the last 18 months and we’ve not been allowed to replace anyone. This is a clear tactic by the company to get people at my level to leave by making us all utterly miserable, and if that fails they’ll just use it as an excuse to give a lower performance rating. They do something like this every time a layoff round is coming to get people to leave voluntarily and save them paying out. Got to hand it to them though, they really have created the most toxic and intolerable workplace that ever existed, so they are meeting their metrics in that regard and we all know how important metrics are at BNY.


Paid for performance is a joke

Came from Ansys. I thought Ansys TC was pretty sh---y but now I understand that Synopsys is even worse.

As a manager, I participated some compensation planning and was shocked. Tell you what. RSU is bad. Very bad. Many positions above L4 are expected to received half of what they got last year at Ansys. Not everyone can get RSU even for very senior positions at L5


FCM Broken Promises + Buggy Fraud AI Release + Displacement Dates Changed + Metrics Lowered

FCRM/FCM remote OR employees were told by executive team, they would be displaced in October 2025, 4th quarter. That came around and they changed the date to the 1st quarter of 2026. Now into the 2nd quarter of 2026 with more empty promises and no displacement in sight. Prevent Ai not working as planned 😂 buggy program and they need to keep senior staff around to balance out the cascading CPH metrics. Also changed to IPH and lowered metrics because Fraud Agents are underperforming with a rushed Ai product.


Competence is optional here

It is that time of year again when management suddenly becomes visible.

All year, there is little to no real contribution. No ownership. No meaningful involvement. As layoffs approach, the performance begins. More meetings. More noise. Sudden interest in high profile accounts. They attach themselves to work they did not do. They claim ownership of outcomes they did not drive. They speak about customers they do not understand.

This is not contribution. It is theater.

Everyone doing the real work can see it. The gap is obvious. The only reason it continues is because visibility is rewarded more than substance.

A textbook case of the Peter Principle. Competence is optional. Looking competent is enough to survive.


Layoffs question

Every company lays off employees. But I see so much hatred for Waters regarding Layoff and toxic work culture? Why ?

How are layoffs decided ? Is it case by case based on performance ?
Or entire teams get laid off ?


How much are Nike VPs being paid to hit diversity targets?

Nike has disclosed that executive compensation includes ESG metrics, which explicitly include diversity outcomes. While the company doesn’t break out the exact weighting, market norms suggest ~10%–20% of annual bonuses are tied to these factors.

Using reasonable assumptions:
• ~385 VPs globally
• VP bonus: ~$100K–$500K
• ESG/diversity weighting: ~10%–20%

Implied diversity-linked bonus per VP:
• ~$10K (low)
• ~$30K–$50K (typical)
• Up to ~$100K

Estimated total annual payout:
• Low: ~$3.9M
• Most likely: ~$12M–$18M
• High: ~$38.5M

Midpoint:
$14M Annually

Why this matters:

At the midpoint, that’s roughly $14M (and could be much more) per year in incentives aligned to these outcomes at the VP level alone.

Bottom line:
A defensible estimate is that Nike directs ~$10M–$20M annually of VP incentive compensation toward diversity-linked metrics; raising legitimate questions about how heavily these targets are weighted relative to other performance priorities.

This post uses only publicly available information, and observational analysis derived from such. Further augmented by published industry trends.


Leadership training

🚨 Introducing Our New Senior Leader Management Guide 🚨
“If you can’t lead… just list.”

Why waste years developing leadership skills when you can simply do the Optum method, rules for thee and not me.

Step 1: Lead with Lists
Not sure what your team does? Perfect. You’re exactly who this guide is for.
Just make a list. Lists = leadership. It’s basically the same thing.

Step 2: Stop Meeting Your Team
Historically, leaders wasted countless hours talking to employees, understanding workflows, and building trust.
Thankfully, we’ve evolved and are 100x
As a leader, you already know what’s happening. Why verify?  That sounds like work.

Step 3: Need More Collaboration? Easy.
Create a list of people who don’t come into the office, don’t worry you don’t need to fly into town to check we can use AI to send you.
Bo-m—collaboration problem solved.

Step 4: Eliminate “Old Leadership” Habits
In the past, being effective required showing up, engaging, and making hard decisions.
Now? Just update the list, you never need to come to town, or if you are low level leader you can just stay in your fish-tank office, no need to actually meet the team.

Step 5: AI Adoption Strategy
Becoming an AI-first company is simple:

  • Say “we are an AI company” in every meeting
  • Tell your team you don’t computer but they will make us an AI company and AI is the future
  • Add anyone who doesn’t “AI” to a list
  • Do not define “AI”

And don’t worry if you can send an email or use AI to write a sentence you are the leaders we are looking for!  —
true leadership is about vision, not ability or knowledge .

Step 6: Performance Management
Forget nuanced feedback.
Just categorize people into:

  • On the List
  • About to be on the List
  • Doesn’t know they’re on the List yet

Step 7: Communication Excellence
Why overcomplicate messaging?
Every announcement can be summarized as:
“Per my last list…”

Step 8: Strategic Planning
Q1 Goal: Make a list
Q2 Goal: Refine the list
Q3 Goal: Make a new list
Q4 Goal: Wonder why nothing improved (add self to list, just kidding leader don’t go on these lists)

Remember: leadership isn’t about people, context, or outcomes.
It’s about maintaining a clean, well-organized list.

Leaders stay safe in your offices or if we care about you remote.


Financial Pressure for layoffs

SAP is under a lot of financial pressure and the only way to fix this is by mass layoffs. Basically, we are investing too much in stock buybacks, AI (data centers and development) and bonuses. The executive board wants to axe the last one and increased the first two. So the only solution is layoffs. Oracle fired 20000 people yesterday and SAP is supposed to follow suit to "remain at a competitive advantage". The new works council is already in negotiations regarding this. SAP wants 12000 layoffs worldwide of which 5000 will be in European hubs. But this is kept hush hush. I feel like speaking out because I am tired of these bull$hit games. The biggest problem here is middle management and executives who want more bonuses for themselves and want to use third party contractors instead of full-time employees. They are the ones pushing for the layoffs. So don't listen to your area executives when they say that times are rough. If SAP didn't insist on share buybacks or invest too much in AI that is not producing any results for customers, we would not have such a deficit. This narrative needs to be fixed. I am tired of our CEO, CFO, executives and middle management saying that employee salaries and bonuses are the third highest expense for SAP. That is a good thing and not a bad thing. Employees create and sell good software not AI. Some of the managers pushing for this already have salaries of more than €200000 per year and still want more. Say no to layoffs. Talk back to your manager if they want to give you a bad rating. If you have done the work, you should get good performance ratings. They want to use bad performance ratings to fire employees or pay them less.


Nike Stock - Feels Bad Man

If you had invested $1000 in nike stock back in 2015, you would have about $1000 now.

If you had bought $1000 of Nike back in 2015 and sold at the peak in 2021 you would have had roughly $3673.

If you invested $1000 in Apple stock in 2015, you would have $8,233 now.

If you invested $1000 in Amazon stock in 2015, you would have $12,000 now.

If you invested $1000 in Tesla stock in 2015, you would have $27,692 now.

If you invested $1000 in Nvidia in 2015, you would have $347,916 now.


It’s not going to be performance based

I mean, not really. Maybe on paper, to an extent. Paper is just the cover. It will be money based, without any long-term strategy, any concern for team cohesion and efficiency, and without any thought about talent retention. It’s the scrambling phase. Chickens coming home to roost for the string of bad decisions, driven by greed, grandiosity and mediocrity.


Formal Summary of Employee‑Reported Concerns Related to Wrongful Termination and Layoff Practices

Public employee discussions on forums like this reveal several recurring concerns that individuals cite when pursuing wrongful‑termination claims or requesting class‑action investigation into workforce‑management practices at BNY. While these accounts represent employee perspectives rather than verified legal findings, the themes appear consistently across posts.

1. Abrupt and Unexplained Performance Rating Declines
Employees report sudden drops in performance evaluations despite prior positive reviews or long‑term satisfactory performance. Many allege that these changes lacked documentation, coaching, or clear justification, leading them to believe the ratings were adjusted to support predetermined termination decisions.

2. Use of Forced‑Ranking or Stack‑Ranking Systems
Some individuals claim that ranking methodologies required a fixed percentage of employees to be categorized as low performers, regardless of actual contribution. They argue that this system created artificial grounds for termination and disproportionately affected certain groups.

3. Pressure to Resign in Lieu of Formal Layoffs
Multiple accounts describe employees being encouraged to resign voluntarily rather than being formally laid off. Posters assert that this practice was used to avoid severance obligations or to reduce the appearance of workforce reductions.

4. Inconsistent or Withheld Severance Packages
Employees report discrepancies in severance eligibility, including reductions, denials, or last‑minute changes. These inconsistencies are cited as contributing factors in claims of unfair or unequal treatment.

5. Replacement of U.S. Roles With Lower‑Cost Offshore Positions
Some individuals allege that their roles were eliminated and subsequently transitioned to offshore teams. They argue that these decisions may reflect discriminatory or retaliatory motives, forming part of the basis for legal complaints.

6. Retaliation Following Protected Activity or Internal Complaints
A number of posters claim they were terminated shortly after raising workplace concerns, questioning new policies, or reporting issues to management. These accounts assert that the timing suggests retaliatory intent.

7. Patterns Suggesting Systemic Workforce Practices
Because many employees describe similar experiences, some argue that the issues may reflect broader organizational patterns rather than isolated incidents. This perceived consistency is a primary driver behind calls for class‑action investigation.


Our Issue

I was reading the WSJ about Elon Musk and found this interesting:

“For Musk, that (his management philosophy) means latching on to one or two existential issues and riding them week after week.

“I used to sit in those meetings, saying I’m pretty dang sure that our competitors’ CEOs are not sitting in these weekly engineering reviews and not driving their companies as fast,” McNeill said. “Therefore we’re compounding an advantage against them.”

This is one of our issues: the most senior leaders at PSX show little to no interest in the existential issues that result in our underperformance. And they certainly are not willing to sit through meetings to help ensure that the issues are being worked. In fact, they struggle to stay awake during 30 and 60 minute meetings on issues of performance and ensuring priorities are being worked. Instead, they spend time having dinner with investors and the board.


Nut Up

All you need is charisma to lead when things are good. Things are not good and need to be led with tough decisions and swiftly.
For tech he needs to cut at least 2/3 of employees and give the remaining a 5% raise to get folks out of slump. Cut all the new or recently promoted leaders as well. They are not smart and useless. Run it on bare bones until things turn around.
I’m in tech so can’t speak for other areas.
Will be a big mistake with the stock so low if we come out of layoffs with only 500-1k gone.