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The middle management maze

There are just too many people between the work and the results. Managers of managers, directors of nothing, and their only real skill is creating more meetings and more politics. They think they're helping, but they're really just slowing everything down. Get rid of them in the next round of cuts and we'll all be better off.


Rinse and repeat

We want to save money, so we hire people at the lowest possible rate. Then we burn out the good workers managing the bad ones. The good people leave, the bad ones stay, and we hire more cheap people to fill the gap. Then we wonder why nothing gets done. I'd rather have a team of ten people who actually show up and care, paid enough to stay, than fifteen people who are just sitting around, waiting for their next paycheck.


Coding Monkeys

When coding monkeys are given the reign to run the show, the audiences (customers) suffer.

Stupid Enterprise Tech bean counters decided to eliminate the whole technical product manager (TPM) role because they couldn't tell the good ones from the bad ones. Now we're in the same quagmire of mostly bad engineering "leaders" sprinkled with a few good ones.

A place of incompetents.


What's stopping all of us on going on a work stoppage?

Oracle has decided to down rank everyone in the reviews, they're pushing aggressive layoffs, demanding free overtime.

At this point what do you have to risk by coordinating a work stoppage? They're going to do layoffs anyway. No point in trying to pretend like they didn't put you on the list.

To HR and management reading this.. You asked for it.


Took a year to explain "market-based culture"

...and it's still hilariously vague and meaningless. Our execs are an absolute clown show. These people just throw buzz words around like r.e.t.a.r.d.s. and expect us to be amazed with their genius. I guess they've been up at night trying to figure out what the he-l they could say in response to us asking "what the fu-k does market based culture" mean you fu--ing mo--ns?

Same sh-t as the AT&T Guarantee...they think if they repeat it enough it'll mean something. They went from pumping that Guarantee all the time and how industry revolutionizing it was (wow, you offer refunds when your service doesn't work...amazing), and now you don't see it anywhere. Must be pretty special!!


Org chaos - look at any org

The CN org structure is crazy - random look at any org. I looked a Procurement - don't know a single person. VP head - 6 direct: 1 Sr Dir, 1 Dir, 2 Sr Mgr, 2 Mgr. Lets just look at that 1 Sr Dir - under is 1 Sr Mgr (3 under), 1 Mgr (2 under), 1 Dir (1 under), and 1 Sr Mgr (1 under - who is a Manger, who then has 1 under). The entire org has more Mgr's+ than people working under them. Think about this - who runs that org & how do they have a job? And if you think this is isolated -- it's not.


BH UM he-l

bh um is no different from all the cr-p going on! Since all the policy changes auth requests have dwindled - very litlte work to do! We point this out all the time and were asking how is all this affecting our job security - told with a smile no no….there is always work to do. Nope!!!!! No one can meet their ridiculous productivity requirements and on every 1:1 PL are told to mark us down for not meeting metrics even though there isnt enough work to do!!!!! Then they start tracking our laptops with pega to make sure were are in the applications but there is no work to do!!!!!! Im so glad i got the heck out of UM!!!!!! A nightmare!!!!!!


N&T QA - RTO question

Bad news for RTO trolls on this site. Joe Russo just confirmed the RTO policy is "not a top down one size fits all" policy. He said he encourages everyone to talk to their managers to see what they need to do to be most effective in delivering business outcomes. He also hinted that more company real estate sales will continue.


Centene SIU: A Regulatory Disaster in the Making! Sarah London, Take Action!!

If you’ve been watching Centene’s Special Investigation Unit fall apart over the past few months, you already know we are staring at a textbook operational breakdown. What should be Centene’s strongest defense against Fraud, Waste, and Abuse has been systematically dismantled by executive mismanagement, nepotism, and a culture of fear.

It all started when Ashlee hired Christa Marshall Jewsbury and Sabrina Vera. Almost overnight, executive leadership shifted away from operational integrity to favoritism. Director positions were filled with personal friends and "minions" rather than qualified internal and external talent who actually understand the business.

Since then, middle management has been getting crushed under uncompensated scope creep. Managers are now forced to absorb duties traditionally handled by senior investigators and leads, including reviewing preliminary reports, drafting education letters, and handling complex case reviews, with zero adjustments to job descriptions, zero extra resources, and zero bump in pay.

Meanwhile, the environment under Christa and Sabrina has devolved into micromanagement and intimidation. Staff are dealing with:

--Arbitrary restrictions on earned PTO and medical leave

--Inconsistent, we-ponized performance ratings and bonus distributions

--Direct threats that anyone who questions decisions can leave or risk losing their job

Now, the situation is reaching a tipping point. Christa is actively preparing to pitch Chris on a total department restructuring. This proposed "reorg" isn't about efficiency, it is a calculated push to eliminate legacy positions, purge seasoned SIU veterans, wipe out institutional knowledge, and replace experienced staff with Humana hires who won't question executive overreach.

When you fire experienced investigators and systematically gut an oversight unit, the work fails. This isn't just an internal morale issue, it is a massive regulatory, contractual, and legal liability for Centene.

Sarah London and Chris, how can you sit back and watch this happen?

As CEO, Sarah London cannot ignore the toxic leadership destroying this unit. An immediate executive pause must be placed on any proposed SIU reorg. An independent, external third-party audit must be launched immediately to investigate Christa Marshall Jewsbury, Sabrina Vera, and review the hiring and management practices of the SIU before Centene’s regulatory compliance is completely compromised. DO THE RIGHT THING!!


Centene SIU: A Regulatory Disaster in the Making! Sarah London, Take Action!!

If you’ve been watching Centene’s Special Investigation Unit fall apart over the past few months, you already know we are staring at a textbook operational breakdown. What should be Centene’s strongest defense against Fraud, Waste, and Abuse has been systematically dismantled by executive mismanagement, nepotism, and a culture of fear.

It all started when Ashlee hired Christa Marshall Jewsbury and Sabrina Vera. Almost overnight, executive leadership shifted away from operational integrity to favoritism. Director positions were filled with personal friends and "minions" rather than qualified internal and external talent who actually understand the business.

Since then, middle management has been getting crushed under uncompensated scope creep. Managers are now forced to absorb duties traditionally handled by senior investigators and leads, including reviewing preliminary reports, drafting education letters, and handling complex case reviews, with zero adjustments to job descriptions, zero extra resources, and zero bump in pay.

Meanwhile, the environment under Christa and Sabrina has devolved into micromanagement and intimidation. Staff are dealing with:

--Arbitrary restrictions on earned PTO and medical leave

--Inconsistent, we-ponized performance ratings and bonus distributions

--Direct threats that anyone who questions decisions can leave or risk losing their job

Now, the situation is reaching a tipping point. Christa is actively preparing to pitch Chris on a total department restructuring. This proposed "reorg" isn't about efficiency, it is a calculated push to eliminate legacy positions, purge seasoned SIU veterans, wipe out institutional knowledge, and replace experienced staff with Humana hires who won't question executive overreach.

When you fire experienced investigators and systematically gut an oversight unit, the work fails. This isn't just an internal morale issue, it is a massive regulatory, contractual, and legal liability for Centene.

Sarah London and Chris, how can you sit back and watch this happen?

As CEO, Sarah London cannot ignore the toxic leadership destroying this unit. An immediate executive pause must be placed on any proposed SIU reorg. An independent, external third-party audit must be launched immediately to investigate Christa Marshall Jewsbury, Sabrina Vera, and review the hiring and management practices of the SIU before Centene’s regulatory compliance is completely compromised. DO THE RIGHT THING!!


IFS QGS

Total clown show. 3 stooges of which many could not compose a coherent sentence. One person asked a valid RTO question and was shot down. So much for management caring for employees. If you have any sense time to get out. I am already on my way.


Intel is ruined by management

Intel is such a trash company. The management is allowed to make decisions that ruin the company for it's employees. Management does not care about anyone below them and will sc--w you over at any cost. Intel HR likes to drive around the parking lot recording people with their dash cams in an attempt to fire them for time clock fraud. Intel isn't what is once was. Horrible decisions made my management has ruined what could be a good thing.


RTO not being enforced by Management

Is anyone’s office Management not enforcing RTO 5 days a week? My office, people come and go, no one ever works a full day, and bosses still let people work from home whenever they need to. Meanwhile I am in there everyday working a full day, full time schedule. WTF is going on with this company??? Total joke of a place. I heard some managers definitely not enforcing this new policy.


The Unrealistic Metric Loop: Shifting Blame and Threatening Safety

Management’s obsession with hitting a rigid, daily efficiency percentage has created a completely broken, circular game of finger-pointing. What’s worse is that these impossible metrics are actively creating an unsafe working environment.
Here is the daily reality: local foreman gives the crew a specific job assignment. The crew completes the assignment exactly as directed, but because the work assigned doesn't automatically equal management's "magic number" for the day, the foreman gets chewed out by their boss.
Instead of pushing back up the chain and explaining that the crew did exactly what they were told to do, middle management tries to point the blame directly on the craft to save their own skin.
The absurdity is off the charts. We are talking about the exact same foremen who assigned the work in the first place, and the exact same foremen who are sitting behind multiple high-def cameras running ops tests and watching our every single move. They see exactly what we are doing every minute of the shift, yet they still look us in the eye and ask why the numbers are low.
What the system completely ignores is reality. Nowhere in these calculations are we allowed to add to our time for things that are completely out of our control.
Our guess? Higher management is trying to figure out how to navigate away from traditional, publicized layoffs. By making up completely unrealistic performance metrics, they can stress people out or manufacture failures.
When the only logical answer we can give a foreman is, "You gave us the job, you tell us," it shows just how detached the metric system is from actual field operations. If you're going to manage by a spreadsheet to squeeze the craft, at least look out the window to see the unsafe environment you are building on the ground.


Horrible Leadership

I started with Centene about 3 years ago. I came from a leadership background of 18years and wanted a break for management. In my short time here with Centene I can’t get over how horrible the leaders are. It seems as though not one of them truly knows how to be a manager or they are so insecure as a manager they have to micromanage people on their team. Some of the leaders I have had in my roles were absolutely clueless on how to manage. They never could communicate to the whole team at the same time. They would forget things all the time. Can’t even explain how to do their job or talk in circles. It’s embarrassing. Does anyone in a leadership role actually have management experience or are they just hiring people off the street to run a department. There are also leaders without anyone underneath them LOL. How can you be a manager when you don’t manage a department or anyone?


Yellow shoes out, bring in the Lipps!

Surely this is when we get serious, this is the double down! We stand here at the peak of inflated expectations on agentic fueled enterprises, looking out across our glorious data moat. Lipps is the man that is going to make this happen, with Salva in his high tops and Navi hoodie at his side! We just need a few more MCP skills, then we will be cooking with gas! Bravo Thoma! Bravo indeed!


Markets

If you’re considering a role on the Markets side, know what you’re walking into. The culture there isn’t just competitive, it’s dog-eat-dog, and it’s shaped by leadership that’s more interested in protecting itself than developing people. Too many of the “managers” running these teams are underqualified for the seats they hold, and they’ve built environments that reward toxicity because toxicity is what got them there.

Loyalty and tenure mean nothing. Years of contribution mean nothing. If you value a workplace with real accountability from the top down, look elsewhere.


Layoffs canceled again what’s going on

So apparently the August layoffs are completely canceled again.

At this point, does anyone actually know what’s going on at Oracle?

For weeks we’ve been hearing about another major round of cuts coming in August, managers supposedly making lists, double-digit reductions on some teams, 6 a.m. emails, cuts before September 1, etc. People have basically been sitting around waiting to find out whether they still have a job.

And now… nothing? Canceled again?

The constant back-and-forth is getting ridiculous. One week everyone is convinced a huge RIF is imminent, then the date moves, then rumors start again, and now supposedly August is off entirely.

Has anyone heard anything credible internally about what changed? Are the layoffs actually canceled, just postponed into September, or is nobody—including management—really sure what the plan is anymore?

Would especially like to hear from Oracle employees/managers who have gotten an actual update rather than another round of Blind rumors.


You know what's becoming more and more obvious?

The execs would love to run this place with zero employees, they just can't yet. But that's their goal. Not even India is safe from this. I can't wait for the AI bubble to burst and with it their dreams of bringing the actual workforce to a bare minimum. And it's only a matter of time before it happens.


Aetna - Behavioral Department roles

So I am currently at Cigna, Social worker role in medical department, our entire department is being let go as Cigna is exiting the IFP/Affordable Healthcare act market. I'm currently trying to beef up my private practice in hopes of going full time so I can avoid corporate world again- BUT I have noticed openings for BH roles at Aetna. I want to hear from anyone in the BH deparment- what's it like? outrageous caseload? toxic environment? poor management? Because Cigna BH department took a massive nose dive into he-l in the last year and there is nothing in the universe that would make me go back to the BH department of Cigna. I fear it's much the same at Aetna, but if I can't get my private practice to full time then I need to have a job.