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Neutral Reference Policy and Recruiters

These damn recruiters keep insisting on manager references and I keep telling them they won't provide a reference.

How have folks circumvented this? I'm in a catch-22 where I can't give them a reference, yet they keep insisting it's necessary, no matter how many times I tell them to go to theworknumber.com.

I've had to dig out references from years back from people who no longer work at WF, but that's slim pickings.


Job search

I just had an interview!! The job itself is remote and out of the hundreds of applicants, they chose my resume because they saw Wells Fargo on it. So just FYI, Wells Fargo still carries some power in the hiring world. 💅✅


Wfh employees

All full time remote employees are being terminated by EOY by sc-mbags who put every one of us in a wfh status while keeping offices closed and sitting empty. We have been treated like we aren't employees here, segregated from everything and everyone, blocked from getting promotions and given false ratings on reviews which includes those not full time as well sc--wing all of us out of merit and jobs as well. Theres no way this is legal cause it goes beyond being “at will”. You dont have to go to these extremes in that case


NEW HIRE :’)

I am starting my training on Feb 2nd working from home as customer service specialist! I’m so happy and blessed to have found another WFH opportunity! This will be my 4th employer that I have WFH for! I hope I can build here and take my learning to even bigger heights <3


We are being gaslit

I have been at 3 banks now, where I was hired fully remote and was eventually RTO5'd. All 3 happened after a large acquisition. Let me tell you, it's not fun. Here's the thing. Over the last 5+ years, these banks have hired great talent all over the country and have all done well. Look at PNC for example. YoY increase in profits, productivity, and stock price since being fully remote.
Here is what happens:
You drive ~1 hour round trip to commute (if you are lucky), with more expenses, less flexibility, and less sleep / mental well-being.
They haven't invested any money in the offices in years, so you sit in a run-down office with half of the amenities it may have once had.
You take team calls because your team and other teams you collaborate with are spread out all over the country, and do the same exact thing you did from home, but now from an office cubicle / open floor plan desk.
The objectively worse work environment + the lack of being able to take a mental break/reset eventually drives you mad.

This is not for collaboration or culture.
This is not going back to what it "used to be". As a matter of fact, most people in technology were hybrid long before Covid and NEVER worked 5 days in the office.
This is not "were going to see how this works out and maybe..."

Nope.

I don't know what the reason is. Maybe it's a soft layoff, and they want people to quit. Maybe it's from outside forces. Maybe it's because of the acquisition, and certain people want to continue to line their pockets more. It's probably all of the above.

Whatever it is, this is not what the employees wanted. Don't believe me? Check out the results from the end of year survey.

I am already hearing "this is what people wanted.", "The people who have already RTO have loved it.", "This is just an experiment, and no one knows what's going to be the outcome.", "People have been doing this for years before covid with no issues."
It's all BS.

What some of the downvoted comments on here have said are correct. If 5 days in isn't for you, then look for a new job or simply don't comply and get fired / inevitably laid off. Or suffer until one of the above happens.

I would really love to think that we the working people can do something to change this but it is painfully obvious that they do not care or have ulterior motives, so they are probably not going care about any counter efforts. They want some employees to stay and some employees to leave.
If the ones who they don't want to retain leave - great!
If the ones who they do want to retain leave - well, they can always be replaced.

We all want WFH just like we all want paid more, and how many companies have ever paid their employees more out of the kindness of their hearts?

They do not care about us and it's not just PNC it's 99% of all companies in this country.


If I could have a sit down with Bill…

This is what I would say…respectfully of course.

Your employees have stood behind you helping PNC stay successful. Without us, it could not be done. Every single one of us contributes in some way. You are getting a lot of heat regarding your decision. Is this the legacy that you want to be remembered by? A CEO who didn’t care about his employees? I know you have heart, Bill. I’ve seen it.

You were so upset about not being able to reach several direct reports. If your directs can’t be reached, I’d be upset too. But hold them individually accountable, not the entire bank.

Your children are grown, I believe. If I’m wrong, I apologize. This company has alot of single moms struggling to support their children. In most families with two parents, they both have to work. Trying to juggle getting them to school and back home, daycare costs and keeping food on the table has become more challenging than ever. Most of us don’t make enough money to hire a nanny. We want to have enough time with our children to raise them well. Our children are the future businessmen and women of this country. Nothing can replace that valuable time with our children to help them grow into successful adults, make good decisions and always be open to other people’s perspectives. To always be respectful to everyone, because you never know what they may be dealing with. And when you can help someone less fortunate, you should. Be loving, be kind, be supportive.

Those that are happy with the return to office decision are ones who can afford to do so. We aren’t pushing back because we’re lazy people or big babies! Maybe there is a very small percentage that seem to take advantage. Hold those people accountable, not the employees who produce and do their jobs effectively.

Put yourself in our shoes for 1 day. Partner with a single mom for a day and see the challenges. Having to choose between paying the gas bill or putting food on the table. Do you know what that feels like? The cost of commuting whether by bus or car 5 days a week is expensive.

You’ve said how successful we’ve been before & after covid, now all of a sudden it’s hurting the company to work from home. It’s contradictive. We know there are other reasons behind your decision.

I’m asking you to consider coming out and saying you have heard how your employees feel, and maybe have us come in 3 days a week. Inform your management team not everyone can’t wtf mondays and fridays. It should be well coordinated for coverage purposes. For department meetings, everyone in person. That little bit of flexibility will go along way, Bill. Going back on a decision doesn’t make you a weak leader, Bill. It shows everyone that you are a human being who cares about his employees. That you recognized after the fact, this decision was going to cause more hardships than you anticipated. I guarantee if you did that, your employees would be much happier and so appreciative. When employees are happy at work, they tend to go above and beyond more.


You are not a tree, you can make decisions and influence your life (RTO or no RTO)

To all the people on here complaining about RTO—you are wasting precious time and energy. Don’t waste your efforts whining on here to a group of people who, to be honest, 90 percent don’t give a damn about your problems and the other 10 percent is glad you got you got ‘em. Don't live with the dogma of other people's thinking. You decide what your limits are, or if you have any limits at all.

My cousin’s company issued an RTO mandate a while back. Do you think he took to an internet message board to complain and seek pity? Nope. Not a chance.

He mocked up a concept for a small mechanism for his desk. I think it was a printed circuit board with a slot for his work access badge, connected to a small remote radio unit (it was a cheap RRU from the web) and some kind of signal repeater with a diffuser which made the system think he was on site 24/7.

When they asked him about it, he played d-mb. Then instead of complaining, again he went and improved it with an integrated I/O switch, a battery backup unit with uninterrupted power supply (BBU/UPS), and a linear encoder so the signal output run time was limited to a max of ~65 hours weekly. He tweaked the battery size and a few other design features so that he only has to go into the office once a month for routine maintenance.

My point is sometimes it is better to tap into your creative side than it is to moan and whine on the internet. With the time and effort some of you guys have invested complaining and ruminating here, you could have had 2 or 3 prototypes assembled and tested.

Update: They made him a partner/principal at the firm about 2 years later.


US Possible Layoffs

US corporate employees received messaging to work remotely on Thursday January 15th 2026. Reasoning was to facilitate multiple meetings regarding department changes. Very similar tone to last year's email. Staff is worried.


This will backfire

I've never been more productive in my entire career than while working from home. That's about to change. I have no intention of answering any more mails after working hours once RTO starts. Something urgent needs to be addressed as I'm about to leave? It can wait for the next day, I have to go home. And so on.


IS THIS TRUE?

Hey guys, I’m hearing that around some time this year AT&T will be hiring for premier service consultant work from home again. Has anyone heard this same info on customer service jobs continuing work from home ?


Got in trouble with HR for normal PTO usage

Had some wfh days due to flu/illness, and had too many PTO days that created a pattern.

Thanksgiving, Christmas, New years all fell on a Thursday this year, which led to a lot of my off days being similar and created a pattern.

Feels like I got in trouble for very PTO usage and not coming in when I was sick. Now bonus and pay raise is being threatened.

HR is absurdly strict last two years. Seems like they are overhired and just trying to drive people away or find an excuse to pay people less.


Belk HRBP's are WFH id--ts

my daughter needs to be added to my insurence as she is 22 and moved back in my home, and I called, emailed, called again, and emailed again about her getting on my insurence. no responce, nothing. i was told HRBP only can be contacted by email when i called. well they never respond! i called the belk hr number and they dont answer the phone at all. it rings and then stops. i see what everyone else is talking about with these work from home id--ts at belk.


Heard about a Performance Improvement Plan notice handed out today.

It went to someone in our group. The person was told what they were being paid to actually do at Ford did not include being a Social Media Influencer all day long while on the clock while working from home the past two years.

Surprising the person got off with a Performance Improvement Plan handed to them and not fired and walked out the building for everyone to see. Like a Perp walk.


Barnhart OREGON site layoffs

So on Oct 28 there was a bunch of layoffs at the barn (Beaverton/Hillsboro OR). Some of us got to stay and work from home until we're all eventually let go. Huge rumor saying tomorrow is the day we would all be laid off here in Oregon. Does anyone have any information on this,?


Another leadership blunder and another massive waste of money

Moving HQ from Dallas to Plano means billions poured into the new campus, long term lease, buildouts, utilities, security, and facilities just to force people into offices to sit on video calls. All cost. No return.

There’s a cheaper, smarter option leadership refuses to touch.

End five day RTO. Shrink or break the leases. Go remote first.

Office space costs large companies roughly $12,000 to $18,000 per employee per year. With roughly 130,000 employees, that’s $1.5 to $2.3 billion every single year. Over five years, up to $11 billion. Over ten years, north of $20 billion.

Instead of saving billions, leadership is lighting it on fire to defend a failed work model. Plano isn’t a strategy. Five day RTO isn’t leadership. It’s just another expensive mistake employees and shareholders will pay for.


Belk corporate HR is shockingly out of touch with reality

Has anyone ever witnessed a corporate HR department in other jobs as disconnected as Belk’s corporate HR is from stores, corporate office and WFH workers, and store associates as Belk?

Literally 1 HRBP over 100 stores
Who is out of state. Questions about FMLA, Maternity leave, Doesn’t have a clue what’s happening in store, one HRBP claiming she was a previous belk store manager, yet gives the most manufactured, out of touch answers to questions that leave the person with even more unanswered questions. It’s simply called gaslighting 101. If you need H.R. please understand you will get four different answers to the same questions!!


Cookies & Hot Chocolate..

You know, I get they want to do something nice before the holiday but you know what I think everyone would have liked? It would have been nice if they said "Hey, you all can WFH on Wednesday. The fact that there are barely any people in the office, (South Jersey location ) it's not technically a month end yet, and let's be honest, people don't want to be in the office the week of Christmas, but let's have hot chocolate and cookies, that will lessen the blow...


Customer service

I’m a WFH customer service rep and we are being told to give the customer what ever they want! Trying to reduce churn but practically paying customers to stay with us and give us good surveys. I’m not sure how this giveaway could continue, but this is the flavor of the month until further notice!


Another article

  • PepsiCo Signals Imminent Layoffs with Work-From-Home Mandate

PepsiCo appears to be the latest major American corporation preparing to reduce its workforce, with reports indicating that job cuts in the United States and Canada could be imminent. The strongest indication of this move comes from a recent directive reported by Bloomberg, which instructed employees in key North American offices—including the company’s headquarters in Purchase, New York, as well as hubs in Chicago and Plano—to work from home this week. This strategy is increasingly utilized by corporate leadership to mitigate the immediate in-office emotional impact and logistical challenges associated with large-scale termination announcements.

The potential restructuring aligns with a broader strategic push to enhance shareholder value and streamline operations. PepsiCo CEO Ramon Laguarta recently issued a memorandum outlining goals for 2026 that prioritize "record productivity savings" and improved operating margins. These changes, which include increased reliance on automation and digitalization, come amidst pressure from activist investor Elliott Investment Management. Elliott, known for aggressively pursuing operational efficiency and cost reductions, recently acquired a substantial $4 billion stake in the beverage and snack giant.

While PepsiCo has not yet officially confirmed specific numbers, executives have increasingly used the term "right-sizing" to describe workforce adjustments. This development follows a smaller reduction in November, where 500 jobs were eliminated following the closure of two Frito-Lay facilities in Florida. The looming layoffs arrive during a mixed financial period for the company; while PepsiCo reported a slight year-over-year revenue increase in the third quarter of 2025, its stock value has dropped approximately 4.5% since the beginning of the year.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91457193/pepsico-layoffs-job-cuts-heres-the-biggest-clue-theyre-coming-as-pepsi-looks-to-right-size-workforce


Dan's right

He correctly identified many of our weaknesses. That's half the battle--fixing all that won't be so easy.
And he did show that he has some common sense in getting rid of that ridiculous "hub or no promotion" policy. I'd say that bodes well for WFH going forward (perhaps that's wishful thinking).