#uncertainty

It's hard to build a future when your job never feels secure. How are people supposed to buy homes, raise kids, or make long term plans when layoffs are constant and can turn everything upside down?

When will this chaos get officially over today? Is there a possibility that this will continue tomorrow as well? This is emotionally exhausting !!

Half my team was laid off yesterday and none of us seemed to have saw it coming. Wish i had known about this site before today so i could have been prepared

Everything seems quiet. Feels like the time before the earthquake.....

I joined five months ago. I know, horrible timing but it is what it is. Will they really kick me out so soon after onboarding me?

before multi-ball starts

Layoffs or not? So distracting.

Any idea who they are coming for tomorrow and the rest of the week? Any meetings known or calendar invites? Thank you to everyone sharing on this board. I know it’s none of this is easy and we’re all just trying our best here.

My department was notified yesterday who was leaving and who was staying. Has anyone heard of there being a second wave of cuts or is it confirmed that once your department has been notified, there will be no more cuts afterwards?

When is this being implemented.? Who ll be impacted.? Can’t find that post. Sus.!

1) we all know more layoffs will keep on happening

2) my theory is that leadership will spare us between Thanksgiving and New Years

So my question is : what are the odds of layoffs over the next 3 weeks till nov 20?

anybody heard anything? All is quiet on my end

First, I want to say how terrible I feel for everyone who was impacted by these layoffs and didn’t want to be. I’ve been thinking about this nonstop since last week’s earnings call, especially knowing that some of my friends were among those affected.

I was fortunate enough to be told today that my position is safe, and I wanted to share what I’ve learned in case it helps ease some of the uncertainty others are feeling.

We were told that employees are being notified department by department, and today was our department’s turn. Based on what was shared, if your department has already gone through the process and you weren’t notified, you should be safe.

We were also told that the layoffs are expected to continue through Friday, at which point the process should be complete.

I know how stressful this uncertainty has been, and my thoughts are with everyone who has been affected.

Love the bespoke approach to restructuring here. Other companies commit the rookie mistake of just naming a number and ripping off the Band-Aid—which accidentally stabilizes their stock price. Why settle for shareholder confidence when you can drag out the suspense and run a company-wide game of musical chairs instead?

Cisco is so obvious when layoffs are coming, no invite for beat or beyond the numbers yet. It su-ks, and I wish we had more of an understanding of who gets cut. What grade levels ?

Heard some hallway conversation today

What’s everyone hearing?

Has anyone heard a date for November layoffs? Ty

Not because I want people to be laid off, but because I was hoping it would all be done today. Now we get more stress and anxiety as we wait for the next round or three.

We are calling it D Day B Day.

I hope that made some of you laugh and I’m sending positive energy and thoughts to all of those impacted or not.

(I have no idea who what or when this is all happening by the way)

Zero understanding of what their people do day to day. Say yes to everything without understanding time, cost, or impact on priorities.

No domain experience. More time spent on building personal brands vs Verizon brand.

“Good hair” or “good on stage” is more important than competence.
More concerned with flying around the world to do town halls in front of 14 people than spending time walking the halls to see what their people are really doing.
Claim that people are the most important asset or “year of culture” but say nothing in times of uncertainty.
I’m so fed up with every one of them, their air of superiority, and their recurring bad decisions.

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How many
When
What departments, groups or orgs.
I assume GT will be the hardest hit.
Can anyone share any info?
Come on HR folks.. Have you started to make those lists yet? Is there a plan.. By grade, group, org... .
Is it going to start in January?

Unless you’re a math nerd or EVP unless you sit in Minnesota, Charlotte, Arizona or Ohio you’re not welcome in her organization if you sit in any other hub. Said it on her ask me anything call today. I’m guessing this affects hundreds if not thousands.

Lot’s of meetings very little emails hmmmm

More bad news are coming

After all the reorg emails last week it said management and HR would be talking to people about reporting lines within a week

This hasn't happened, any idea when it will ? Everyone is in limbo

it's so frustrating, humans need stability to be productive and this is so crazy right now. i know it'll be over soon but rest assured they will come up with something even worse and we'll have to worry again. it looks like the entire economy is in this space right now, even the companies that are valued in trillions are doing the same thing.

i am not sure that this is how life should be lived. sometimes i feel i should have started a business of my own from the get go, no matter how good or bad it would turn out to be - at least i'd be sane.

One day we'll get it right.

Not sure if they will stagger things? Who will be affected first?

Lots of confidential meetings going on about job roles and productivity. Does HCSC conduct layoffs over the holidays! It was a No no on the Cigna side. It’s been way to quite.

Anyone have a firm answer on if these are happening tomorrow? And if so which levels/teams?

I recently lost my job at Zoom and now I'm looking for another software engineering position... but honestly one of the biggest things on my mind isn't even salary or benefits anymore. It's "stability" (if there is a such thing nowadays)........ I just want to work somewhere where I don't have to constantly worry about whether my job is going to disappear in the next round of layoffs. I know the tech industry has always had its ups and downs... but at what point did it become normal to assume that every company is eventually going to lay people off??? You join a company, get comfortable with your team, learn the systems, build relationships... and then suddenly you're back looking for another job. It's exhausting just thinking about having to start the whole process over again.

What makes this soooo frustrating is that I actually enjoy software engineering. I don't mind working hard, learning new things or dealing with challenging projects... I just don't want to spend the next several years constantly wondering whether I'll still have a job six months from now.

And now that I'm looking again I'm wondering how you're even supposed to evaluate job security during interviews. Every company is going to tell you they're growing, that business is doing well and that they're investing in engineering... but what does any of that actually mean anymore???? A company can be hiring today and cutting employees tomorrow.

Someone suggested that I should just start my own business if I want stability... seriously???? Because startups are famously stable and successful, right??? I mean I understand the argument that owning your own business gives you more control, but starting a company isn't exactly my idea of reducing financial uncertainty.

At this point I'm genuinely curious whether there are software engineers out there who actually feel GOOD about their employer's stability. Not just people who survived the latest layoffs... but people who work at companies with a track record of treating employees well and not constantly reorganizing or eliminating positions.

I'm not necessarily looking for the highest paying job anymore... I'd rather find somewhere I can settle in, do good work and not have layoffs hanging over my head every few months. Maybe that's unrealistic in tech nowadays... I really hope it isn't.

Are there any SDEs here who are actually proud of their company's stability?

Talk about a horrible way to roll this out. Everyone know is stressed, on edge, and completely in the dark about what’s coming, all the way up to the VP level.

The mental health toll experienced by the employee base is significant and the company the hit to morale will be significant, even for the folks that stay.

Based on the chatter, more layoffs are coming. Will they offer VSP again?