#discussion

Over the past 40 years, has there ever been a decision that helped employees?

IMO, they just keep taking.

Hi folks.

Is it possible to share learning from discussions with lawyers in an open platform like this? The reason I am asking is that it is too expensive to consult everything with lawyers, and not all of them are good anyways.

Kindly share your findings.

Given average is 4%, what are your thoughts? G, VG, E, O average?
Only serious discussions. No BTC/KLTC/outsourcing/pip discussion, please.

https://techrights.org/n/2025/10/12/Weekend_Discussion_About_How_IBM_s_Bluewashing_of_Red_Hat_Will_.shtml

Thoughts?

Bored. I can’t hide the fact that I’m nervous about layoffs. I’ve been with the company for over 8 years.

If you’re open to sharing, how many years did you work for the company, what was your salary at the time, and how much did you get paid? Did it include bonus? What’s the tax percentage they held?

Both counties seen quite calm still.

Any piece of news on the room?

Just curious to hear what people are expecting?

Man it’s been a couple months since o checked in on this sh—tshow. Hoping some of yall jumped ship. Eff Eff Five. Get ooout

Serious question - what are the top actionable items folks on this forum would like to see from AT&T Leadership? We know they read this stuff so maybe use this as another opportunity to communicate to them in a constructive way and originated by employees.

Suggestions:

1. Maybe leave off the obvious hot divisive ones that has gotten so much air play here and have such conflicting views (RTO vs WFH, DEI, etc) so the discussion doesn’t devolve to name calling.

2. Would be interesting if replies could be tagged as Union vs Mgmt since they may differ materially.

3. Be serious and try to refrain from mudslinging (I.e., - don’t reply if you’re not game).

let's say you are 58 - would you accept an early retirement?

i am curous about how people are thinking about the topic (more than helping me make a call).

you can assume anything you'd like (e.g., having or not having enough saved, age of kids, etc.)_

What do you guys think? It seems like he needs a new start and what better to match his energy than Ford Motor Co.???

Ok, so I've heard the big conspiracy is that Big R will be out in 5 years and daughter Schwab is going to swoop in and save the company, again.

What totally wild rumor have you heard?

Are we having layoffs in the coming week or not?

Ok so those old long time customers that keep the lights on, any insight on if we are loosing any of them? All I see is Infinity this and MCP but are the old big customers really interested? Love to hear any insights as it will make my decision on jumping easier.

Anyone know how location strategy plays into union employees/locations? I get it that their current contract has them working from home, but with management being required to come back, it would stand to reason the union would follow. And the union employees locations are not part of the location announcements we've heard.

Also wondered how the Frontier acquisition fits into location strategy. Seems like some major disconnects

No need for sarcastic or ignorant comments toward any side of the playing field, please.

Share your thoughts on today's Town Hall with Jeff.

Who got the golden ticket?

Is anyone tired of constant rejection? Favoritism? Unethical and ineffective hiring? Bullsh-t run around? Mental health decline due to stress of job and unknown? Can we all stand together and sue? How does this work? How do we do it? Anyone have thoughts or ideas?? I’m so serious about this.

Sep11 6:30am UTC - Sep12 6am UTC totals: 100 layoffs.
September totals (except Sep01): 4638 layoffs, and 279 additions.
Methodology and day-by-day breakdown is in comments.

Soooo was everyone weirded out that ADC and PSC had combined meeting? Merge happening in future?

Any thoughts on the reorg ?

Discuss

How does everyone feel about the PCS call? I'm on the fence...

Live thread for the real questions and comments

Could be wrong but, I come here often and read the majority of the posts/comments and it seems like the vast majority of people are in 1 of 3 areas. ISG, CSG or some type of Sales position. Being in IT, I'm not fluent in acronyms outside of my realm so,

I'm assuming ISG = Inside sales group, CSG= Channel Sales group, and then... general sales people like AE's, AMs, TSE, etc...

Where are the IT people at in here? (minus tech support. You don't count as IT, sorry.)

tell your RTO first day story ? Was it all you dreamed ?

Anyone agrees with this ?
We thought Wayne was the monster.

http://www.thelayoff.com/t/1joMJ0TS
@OP+1joMJ0TS

Layoffs in Arizona Office

# Suddenness and Lack of Warning
Employees consistently described being blindsided without advance notice. Many emphasized the cold, impersonal manner of execution.

• "After 11 years working for Kemper I was fired via a phone call from HR. No warning, nothing. Just they are reducing the work force." ( Anonymous, Nov 4, 2022 )
• "I was at Kemper/Infinity for 15 years. I was laid off while on PTO. The place is a joke, good riddance." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "800 people let go today. Zero compassion from leadership. Heard it was a pre recorded message shown to those affected." ( Anonymous, Oct 26, 2022 )
• "Lost great people in Birmingham Total Loss today." ( Anonymous, Oct 26, 2022 )
• "Security was escorting out 2 to 3 employees yesterday at the Cerritos office." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "The Chatsworth office was also affected, about 4 adjusters without warning. Did anyone get offered a severance package?" ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "SIU department also hit. Mike Hull and other managers and representatives. Shocking as our department was busy. Brought into a teams meeting with a generated message that we were laid off." ( Anonymous, Oct 26, 2022 )

# Pre-Recorded Announcements and Gaslighting
A recurring theme was the impersonal, robotic approach to announcing layoffs. Employees felt the company tried to deny this, further fueling anger.

• "I had the joy of the pre-recorded message today. That was so strange. They sounded like robots with zero compassion." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Fact they are more concerned that ppl are saying it was a pre recorded statement then what they did to the employees speaks volumes. Takes gaslighting to a whole different level." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "The audacity of them to be more concerned that ppl are saying it was a pre recorded message then how they blind sided their employees speaks volumes. Puts gaslighting to a whole new level." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Scared to go to the town Hall tomorrow. Dont want a prerecorded message saying we are fired." ( Oh, Oct 26, 2022 )
• "This company is by far the worse. I lost 3 people on my team. They did a pre-recorded message with no sympathy at all." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )

# WARN Act and Legal Action
Many posts highlighted potential WARN Act violations, encouraging others to seek legal advice and join lawsuits.

• "Fellow Kemper employees, if you were terminated as part of the 10/26/2022 Reduction In Force at Kemper, please contact The Bloom Lawfirm @ 818-914-7397 to join a class action lawsuit for Kempers violation of the Federal WARN Act." ( Former Kemper L&D Member, Nov 23, 2022 )
• "I consulted an attorney and we have a case. Kemper violated the WARN act. Seek legal advise and don’t sign the severance release until you speak to an attorney." ( Anonymous, Nov 14, 2022 )
• "Check it out. Seems all let go in CA may have a case under WARN ACT. Yikes. They must’ve let all of HR go seeing that it seemly wasn’t looked into." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "After reviewing this case and the number of people laid off without warning, this places Kemper in breach of the WARNS ACT. Go gete'm!!! Know your rights." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Go to https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN. Help is available if you feel your rights have been violated." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )

# Leadership Criticism and Executive Compensation
A strong theme is anger toward leadership’s behavior and pay levels, contrasted against employee treatment.

• "Poorly handled lay off. And you have Duane Sanders who makes millions. He doesn’t care about anyone but himself." ( Anonymous, Oct 28, 2022 )
• "Joseph Lacher made $8,222,255 in total compensation as Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer and President at Kemper Corp in 2021." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Duane Sanders made $2,883,135 in total compensation as Executive Vice President and President, Property and Casualty Division at Kemper Corp in 2020." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Melissa Hill, a very talented leader, was making positive change but the good ole boy club has to get rid of the one executive female left. All remaining claims leadership is all MEN now. Are we in 2022 or 1960???" ( Anonymous, Oct 28, 2022 )
• "Duane Sanders in the townhall meeting literally just ended the meeting with 'Halt the Rumors'." ( Insurance, Oct 27, 2022 )

# Reputation and Toxic Work Culture
The layoffs amplified longstanding complaints about Kemper’s reputation, culture, and operations.

• "The reputation at Kemper has been awful for years. Few experience adjusters will even work at that company and Temps ( Contractors ) often decline placement there." ( Anonymous, Oct 28, 2022 )
• "Learning and Development ( L&D ), did their absolute best to train new hires through Kemper's revolving door. On Oct. 26th, all but 6-7 Trainers were laid off; including 4 Instructional Designers." ( Anonymous, Oct 28, 2022 )
• "Sadly, as a prior manager, I can confirm that this is not a place you want to work at if you value your sanity as I was regularly verbally abused by management." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "I used to work for Infinity/Kemper. Thankfully I jumped that ship while I could and work for a better insurance company." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Get out while you can. Nothing out of their mouth can be trusted. Can't wait to see what BS they will spin out I'm the town hall." ( Anonymous, Oct 26, 2022 )

# Severance and Treatment of Employees
Anger was also directed at the meager severance packages and perceived disrespect.

• "My wife was let go. She worked there for 1 year and her severance was 1 week. That is disgusting." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Thankful for the 2 weeks of pay and severance, still mind blowing." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "I don’t know how many were laid off in Dallas, but it was a lot. At least 5 managers in my unit ( including me ) and several adjusters. The meeting didn't come across pre-recorded to me, but after hearing I was being laid off everything became a blur after that." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "People have given 20 plus years to this company and this is how they were treated." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )

# Industry Context and Aftermath
Some users pointed out Kemper’s financial troubles, industry perception, and job opportunities elsewhere.

• "Poorly Managed https://www.reinsurancene.ws/am-best-downgrades-kemper-on-earnings-deterioration/" ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "National General is hiring 250 claims rep, also hiring many field auto reps across the US." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Loya Insurance is hiring in San Antonio, El Paso and McAllen, Texas!! Not remote positions!! Submit your resumes!!!" ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Good roddanc3 I hope they get every legal action against them. And then the separation papers are a joke too." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )

# Uncommon Opinions and Perspectives
Amid the broader consensus, a few remarks stood out for their uniqueness.

• "Please don’t name names when writing, this is an anon forum - personal info is not allowed." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Blackout period, but I need to sell my stocks ASAP! I wonder if the Blackout applies to persons no longer with the company." ( Anonymous, Oct 27, 2022 )
• "Per Linkden MH was actually a Senior Vice President reporting directly into the President. She doesnt seem to have a good track record staying at companies." ( TheReal, Nov 13, 2022 )
• "Senior management in theft and fire were let go." ( Pip, Oct 26, 2022 )

Lol

Sell Suri? Buy more junk? Thoughts?