#warn

ai fleet, an austin trucking startup, laid off nearly 60 workers after loosing a key supplier on oct 31. the company said the situation was unforseeable, so they couldnt give the usual 60-day warning required by federal law. the layoffs started nov 4 and effected drivers and office staff at their downtown location. ai fleet uses artifical intelligence to automate trucking operations and raised $21 million in 2021 after moving from new york to austin.Retry

If I’m reading this correctly, if you work in NJ, they need to notify us 90 days in advance to avoid penalty. Do does this mean anyone told on 11/20 would be on the payroll for 90 days in NJ?

If yall haven't noticed the layoffs have started and there is more to come. They are staggering it to avoid WARN notices.

P&G has proved that experienced hires will always get step child treatment.

If someone is on WARN period notice and accepts a new job within a week, do we have to say we accepted a new job to the current employer? Will the new job affect getting both or only one (the notice period payout or severance)?

Also, let’s say I don’t say anything and take both the payout and the severance while working the new job, how would I explain the job timing overlap of two months to my future employers?

A company is not always required to provide notice if it offers severance benefits, but it must comply with the WARN Act or state laws for mass layoffs and plant closings. If an employer fails to give the required 60 days' notice under the federal WARN Act, it can provide a severance package instead of notice. The severance package can serve as payment in lieu of notice and may be used to offset any damages the company owes. However, the severance package must be "voluntary," meaning it isn't already required by another law, contract, or company policy.

Key points about WARN Act and severance

WARN Act notice: For qualifying employers, the federal WARN Act requires 60 days' advance written notice for mass layoffs or plant closings.

Severance as pay in lieu of notice: An employer can offer a severance package as an alternative to the 60-day notice period. This package can include pay and benefits for the 60 days.

Offsetting damages: If an employer provides a voluntary severance package, it can be used to offset the back pay and benefits the company would otherwise owe for violating the WARN Act.

Voluntary payments: The severance package must be "voluntary," meaning it's not something the company is already legally required to pay under a separate law, contract, or established company policy. If it is a mandatory payment, it cannot be offset against WARN damages.

State-level laws: Some states have their own "WARN" acts that may require longer notice periods or have different requirements than the federal law.

WARN requires 60 calendar days' written notice. The law makes no provision for any alternative such as pay in place of a notice. While an employer who pays workers for 60 calendar days instead of giving them proper notice technically has violated WARN, the provision of pay and benefits in place of a notice is a possible option. Because WARN provides for back pay and benefits for the period of the violation, up to 60 days, generally this approach by an employer—pay in place of notice—means that the employer has already met the penalty specified in the Act, if the payment is not required to be made. WARN allows voluntary payments of wages and benefits to be offset against any damages that might be awarded.

https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/eta/warn/faqs.asp#:~:text=An%20employer%20that%20fails%20to,not%20required%20to%20be%20made.

The only thing company has to do to avoid the 90 day notice is to be giving enough severance and benefits to cover the 90 days .So they let you go today as long as your getting enough pay and benefits for next 90 days there you go.So verizon already provides severance and benefits to leave no need for prior 90 before being let go

So, I’m in NJ and WARN Act seems to say they must give us 90 day notice of layoff.
Does that mean if I’m told on 11/20, I would remain on the payroll until 2/20/26? After that, the severance would be paid at 2 wks per yr of service? I keep hearing “they need to be off the books” in 2025. Does anyone have credible information on how that plays out?

If you are located in an office like Burbank that did not get the warn notice and you are let go before 12/31, have you tried to negotiate with HR to get a higher severance? Were you successful?

https://straussborrelli.com/2025/11/13/synopsys-warn-act-investigation/

Please don't rip my head off for this post. I have read the act and the "single site/location" of 500 or more employees confuses me. Im not a damn lawyer. I'm in a state that falls under the Federal guidelines of 60 days. Any wisdom if Vz will have to follow this law? (Bracing for incoming fire)

Verizon has not officially filed a public WARN notice for mass layoffs in 2025, although there are reports that the company is preparing for restructuring, staff cuts, and retail store closures. Verizon is also cutting about 2,500 jobs as part of a plan to reduce its workforce by 5% over 12 to 18 months, notes Workforce Bulletin. In September 2025, Ohio enacted its own "mini-WARN" Act, which supplements federal WARN requirements for mass layoff events.

Company news and reports
Reported layoffs: Verizon is reportedly preparing for significant staff cuts and retail store closures as part of a broader restructuring initiative, according to The Economic Times.

Workforce reduction plan: In March 2025, the company revealed plans to lay off about 2,500 employees, or 5% of its workforce, over the next 12 to 18 months, reports Fierce Network.

What is a WARN notice?
A WARN (Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification) notice is a US federal law that requires employers to provide workers with at least 60 days' advance notice of plant closings or mass layoffs, explains the U.S. Department of Labor.

The notice provides employees with time to prepare for job loss and seek alternative employment, says Cincinnati Enquirer.

State-level WARN acts
Ohio: On September 29, 2025, Ohio joined 13 other states by enacting a "mini-WARN" Act, which supplements federal WARN notice requirements for employers in the state, notes Workforce Bulletin.
California: In October 2025, California expanded its Cal-WARN Act with the signing of Senate Bill 617, expanding the state's requirements starting in January 2026, reports California Employment Law Report.

Honest question. How does Verizon circumvent both Federal and State Law to RIF? How are they allowed not to be required to submit notice to WARN Act States?

Anyone know how to find out how many people total (not names) were Surplus in the November 6th Layoff. Warn was not triggered but I know alot of NJ people like myself who were let go, trying to see whether total was over 50, have not signed my GR&W yet trying to see what is up with this first

This company knows how to go under the radar with these layoffs. That’s why it’s important to post here because it’s the only way to stay informed when the Warn act isn’t triggered

Company: Collins Aerospace
Source: KCRG

New details emerge in Collins Aerospace layoff
Summary: Collins Aerospace confirmed a restructuring with Iowa WARN indicating three positions affected in Cedar Rapids, with layoffs effective December 31. The company said it is reducing costs and optimizing its structure to reinvest in high priority programs. ([https://www.kcrg.com][13])
City: Cedar Rapids
State: Iowa
https://www.kcrg.com/2025/11/06/new-details-emerge-collins-aerospace-layoff/

Company: Baker & Taylor
Source: Illinois Policy

Baker & Taylor library supplier closing, laying off 318

Summary: Library wholesaler Baker & Taylor is winding down operations by year end and laid off 318 workers at its Momence distribution center in October. The closure followed a failed acquisition and contributed to a surge in Illinois WARN notices.

City: Momence
State: Illinois

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/baker-taylor-library-supplier-closing-laying-off-318/

Company: Rad Power Bikes
Source: Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

Rad Power facing potential mass layoffs, shutdown
Summary: Rad Power Bikes filed a precautionary WARN in Washington and told officials it may lay off 64 employees in January, while stressing no final decision has been made. Internal communications warned the company could cease operations without new funding.
City: Seattle
State: Washington
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2025/11/10/rad-power-announces-64-layoffs-reports-point-possible-shutdown

Warn notices show multiple layoffs in DesMoines, Portland, Lubbock, Winston Salem.
So much for not doing layoffs the rest of the year! It is NOT over folks. Wishing everyone well during this process. Hope everyone can make it out and find a better set up.

Centene issued a WARN notice on October 20, 2025, with a layoff date of December 19, 2025, for Centene Management Company, LLC. While the specific locations and roles are not yet detailed, the notice is part of a larger trend of workforce reduction in the health insurance sector due to factors like shifting government healthcare policies and changing market conditions.
Notice Issued: October 20, 2025.
Layoff Date: December 19, 2025.
Company: Centene Management Company, LLC.
Affected Employees: The notice is for a mass layoff and closings, and more specific details are expected to be released later.
Context: This is part of a broader trend in the health insurance industry.
Factors contributing to the layoff include changes in government policies, particularly with the end of pandemic-era Medicaid regulations, and market shifts, according to this YouTube video.
Other recent news includes Centene withdrawing its 2025 guidance in July 2025 due to market conditions, as seen in this press release from Centene's investor relations site.

Will it be out next week?

Is there a major round of layoffs about to hit the compliance department? Dan Veale, the global head of surveillance was reassigned to a far less prestigious area of ICRM. Jennifer Taylor, the Chief Compliance Officer of a major unit, has not been seen in the office for weeks. She also no longer has anyone reporting to her as per the global directory, of where till recently had. The Jersey City location is filled primarily with compliance officers, of where Citigroup recently fired a WARN Act with the state of New Jersey, that the bank intends to layoff 70 staff in that location the first week of December. In summary, the combination of an official WARN notice for a location housing compliance staff and the apparent elimination or reassignment of two senior compliance executives makes it highly probable that a major reduction in force is targeting the compliance department. Anyone else observing possible pre positioning ahead of a major change?

Next week. Brace for impact. Incoming...

One Verizon soon to be so far up in you

Re-org, Regional Consolidations, all questions answered 13Nov. Submit accordingly

WARN ? F warn.

Layoff showing on WARNTracker for L3Harris. Notice Date:10/20/2025 Layoff Date:12/18/2025. Any information on what locations this is affecting?

Wells Fargo continues to pare workers from its Jordan Creek campus in West Des Moines, announcing 113 layoffs in four separate postings on Iowa’s Worker Adjustment and Notification, or WARN, site since late September.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2025/11/07/here-are-layoffs-wells-fargo-other-iowa-employers-have-announced/87132385007/

Pretty sure BNY is violating that one. 25 people or more from a location requires them to notify 30 days in advance of layoffs or they get fined. I know of atleast 15 just yesterday and there were more releases monday and Tuesday as well. All out of oriskany alone and no notification on the nys site. 🤔

anyone hearing another round of layoffs before Thanksgiving ?

Educational Testing Service, the company best known for developing the GRE and formerly administering the SAT, plans to lay off 757 employees in California by the end of the year, according to a state filing.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/ets-layoffs-california-21140804.php

In the state of Illinois are they required to give you a certain amount of time of notice prior to being laid off? Those who are in Illinois have you been getting notice, or just laid off immediately with severance?

I’ve seen some previous posts on NJ WARN but no real clarification on whether VZ has filed/notified. Sounds like they have been able to skirt this in the past, but I assume not this time with significant layoffs happening in a 30 day period.

Title: Frito-Lay eliminates 500 jobs as it closes Orlando plants
Source: Orlando Sentinel
URL: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2025/11/05/frito-lay-eliminates-500-jobs-as-it-closes-orlando-plants/
Summary: Frito-Lay will shutter two Orlando facilities and cut about 500 jobs, including 454 positions at its Silver Star Road site, according to a letter to the Florida Department of Commerce. Roles span mechanics, packaging, and warehouse staff, with the company citing business needs for the closures.

Title: 'Difficult decision': Orlando Frito-Lay plant to close
Source: WESH 2
URL: https://www.wesh.com/article/orlando-frito-lay-plant-closes/69253930
Summary: PepsiCo Foods U.S. is closing manufacturing and warehouse operations at its Orlando Frito-Lay plant, resulting in nearly 500 layoffs. The company said the move was driven by business needs and promised pay, benefits, and transition support.

Title: Frito-Lay abruptly shutters Orlando plant, cutting 500 jobs
Source: Orlando Weekly
URL: https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/frito-lay-abruptly-shutters-orlando-plant-cutting-500-jobs/
Summary: A WARN letter states 454 workers at 2800 Silver Star Road were terminated immediately and another 46 jobs at a Park Oaks Avenue warehouse will be cut in May 2026. Frito-Lay says affected employees will receive 60 days pay in lieu of notice plus transition assistance.

Title: Frito-Lay facilities close in Orlando; nearly 500 jobs lost ahead of holidays
Source: Yahoo News via WOFL
URL: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/frito-lay-facilities-close-orlando-150813803.html
Summary: PepsiCo is shutting a Frito-Lay manufacturing plant on Silver Star Road and a support warehouse on Park Oaks Avenue, eliminating 454 jobs now and 46 by May 9, 2026. The company says it will offer pay, benefits, and job placement help while working with state and local agencies.

Hello - I know most NY folks got WARN $ but anyone in California with the same luck? If so, what office were you in? Based in SF and I did not get WARN apparently they have separated each site and likely have strategically made sure each site was less than 50 people laid off to avoid paying out WARN even though its all California offices. So, if you are in CA and got laid off last week, did you get WARN notice? TIA!

https://patch.com/new-jersey/hoboken/optum-lay-572-workers-closing-pediatrics-mental-health-offices-nj

"Optum, a health provider owned by UnitedHealth that took over numerous medical practices in New Jersey in the past several years, will lay off as many as 572 workers over three months, according to WARN notices filed with the state.

The company began sending letters to patients on Monday informing them of medical practices that will close as of Nov. 30 — including some pediatric and specialty medical offices, and all of their mental health practices.

One email received by patients on Monday said Optum will cease offering behavioral health services throughout New Jersey after Nov. 30.

Another message received by patients in Hudson County, one of the most densely populated counties in the country, said four of the company's pediatrics offices will close as of Nov. 30.

According to four WARN notices filed with the state of New Jersey on Oct. 1 — required in advance of mass layoffs — Optum Care will lay off 572 employees statewide, with most paid through Feb. 2. Separately, Optum Medical Care will lay off 122 employees just in Secaucus by February and March. And Optum Select Services and Optum Management are laying off 60 workers total.

Find out what's happening in Hoboken"

good luck folks

Have any of the folks laid off on September 3rd and covered by WARN 60 days notification period received anything today? I have been checking my email and haven't seen anything (although the final payroll payment showed on my bank account this morning).
In any case, I really appreciate all folks that have contributed to this forum. It was the first hit that showed up when I searched after being laid off, and it made me realize I wasn't alone in this new journey. I really wish the very best to all of you.

There is still no listing for the upcoming COP lay-off on the TWC site. The list is obviously up to date because there are listings from the end of October. This is just one more reason why Texas su-ks and needs a complete overhaul from the top down. It is never for the people here with the current regime in power. Examples are:
support to take away women’s rights, minimizing employees rights, having Ten Commandments posted in public schools, not being able to bring citizen referendums to the polls, and playing political games with national guard just to lick the boots of the mo--n leading this country. We should never go as far as California but there is something in between Texas and California that works better than the current situation.

Why are we not seeing any WARN notifications? Is Verizon working on another VSP?

The WARN act requires companies with over 100 full-time employees to give workers 60 days notice of layoffs. Is anyone filing an EEOC claim?

I’ve been hearing that layoffs strategy was/ is being reviewed due to WARN filing issues from this year (class action). Anyone hear of a RIF plan solidified for Q4/ Q1?

Here is what I captured in our threads over last two days, I hope this helps somebody:

===== A. Technology, Engineering, and Cybersecurity =====

1. "They are laying off tons of Cyber Security employees at the moment." (@c6+1k8nb9xqa)
2. "TES is getting gutted." (@c5+1k8nb9xqa)
3. "The entire GXC team has an invite on the calendar. Fiddelke and his cronies are insane, their email specifically said a goal was to 'accelerate technology'." (@c4+1k8nb9xqa)
4. "Tech is getting hit with them as well." (@bh+1k8nb9xqa)
5. "Target plans to outsource all of tech, engineering, and security, what does not get moved to India will be outsourced to a contract here in the US." (@a2+1k8njmzmw)
6. "Tech / R&D - Nothing yet!" (@a5+1k8neramv)
7. "TES Procurement." (@a5+1k8nd7sed)
8. "Which team of cyber? Does anyone in cyber received an email?" (@df+1k8khq2xa)
9. "The entire r&d/new technology team was let go. Their lab, which is where lots of teams went for testing and where they gave tours to outside groups, is dark and empty." (@ba+1k8rbk1en)
10. "Lots of engineers, TES: L4s in service centers got hit hard, also L6, and WFM." (@OP+1k8p4z1py)
11. "I’ve seen two senior engineers get laid off from digital. Also saw a principle get laid off from research and development area." (@a4+1k8nx6h2k)
12. "Food supply chain lost a few directors." (@dx+1k8khq2xa)
13. "EA is gone." (@a7+1k8nj573p)
14. "Enterprise Insights." (@a3+1k8ngxvkj)
15. "Data Analytics — My husband was just laid off. He's technically in the Tech space so looks like no sector is safe. He wasn't an engineer btw." (@ab+1k8nm3hwg)
16. "In my department most are L6 and L5 and the cuts were: 5x L7, 5x L6, 2x L5." (@a8+1k8p5x96h)
17. "The company's performance was lagging, so today's layoffs are the sad and painful result of that lackluster performance." (@OP+1k8nfxb8q)

===== B. Merchandising, Planning, and Design =====

1. "L7 planning directors. Remote L7 merchant directors." (@a8+1k8ngp8jp)
2. "A few contacts in Merch Planning have posted on LinkedIn that they were cut." (@ac+1k8np3z05)
3. "All buyers and planners did not survive." (@a8+1k8nr1dcy)
4. "Did planners company wide get laid off or just in F&B and E&B?" (@a4+1k8ntf0w6)
5. "I believe any L7 (director) planning role was cut. Merch Planning had roles from L4-L9. A few L8s and I believe 1-2 L9s as well." (@aj+1k8nr1dcy)
6. "Merchandising includes Buyers/Sourcing/Design/Tech, right?" (@aa+1k8neramv)
7. "Merch (design)." (@OP+1k8njsv5g)
8. "Creative (marketing) is gone, too no?" (@a1+1k8nngs71)
9. "Properties, Merch, Store Ops — so far..." (@a2+1k8neramv)
10. "Properties." (@OP+1k8neramv)
11. "They eliminated our US director so everybody reports directly to India now." (@a7+1k8r4vhg6)
12. "Some teams disappeared entirely (e.g. the Multilanguage team that handled all translations.)" (@a3+1k8ref4pn)
13. "This is the breakdown of the layoffs by position in the US: Director - 87, Manager - 56, Lead - 45, Analyst - 19, Principle - 9, Associate - 6, Partner - 5, Specialist - 4, Engineer - 3, Auditor - 3, Accountant - 2, Designer - 2, Admin Assistant - 2, Recruiter - 2, Consultant - 2, Scientist - 1, Other - 11." (@a5+1k8p4cdjv)
14. "Agostino said names of teams and people who were let go in a team meeting today, when's he getting fired for leaking names?" (@a6+1k8rgty6d)

===== C. Customer Service, Operations, and Call Centers =====

1. "Quite a few of us across CSC." (@c0+1k8nb9xqa)
2. "L7 on my team. Store ops." (@bp+1k8nb9xqa)
3. "The call centers got hit hard. L2 - directors. Gone." (@ac+1k8ny0d51)
4. "DGS/CSC/GCS mega hits." (@a3+1k8p4z1py)
5. "GS, CSC, GR — Any word on how the call centers faired?" (@a2+1k8p2ba0w)
6. "All three? what are you talking about? 5 leaders (including Sr. Manager and Director). DGS/CSC/GCS were completely gutted." (@ac+1k8nxp7tb)
7. "400 TCB employees laid off." (@a2+1k8p53mv4)
8. "TCC is gone, and all service center TLs are gone." (@ak+1k8pgaz3b)
9. "AP. Higher up leadership has a private." (@a7+1k8neramv)
10. "Legal Affairs or Investigations — I see 9am blocked off on a L7 and L8 I think." (@c8+1k8nb9xqa)

===== D. Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Community =====

1. "They let go most of the DEI teams and the company is being transformed into a sweat shop with no values or morals." (@OP+1k8rtbfab)
2. "The diversity team just changed their name to community impact or something like that and none of them were touched by layoffs." (@a9+1k8r4q82d)
3. "The diversity team doesn’t exist anymore." (@a5+1k8r41pyx)
4. "Much more supply chain folks next time. Community and belonging will also be affected once those holiday photos come off the fridge." (@ad+1k8rtbfab)

===== E. Finance, Analytics, and Administrative =====

1. "Finance impacted?" (@ad+1k8neramv)
2. "TES Procurement" and "Finance impacted" both mentioned as affected functional areas. (@a5+1k8nd7sed, @ad+1k8neramv)
3. "Official WARN notice... Positions affected include: Accountant, Analyst, Director Finance Strategy & Operations, Sr Manager Tech, Sr Manager Cybersecurity, Sr Recruiter, Team Lead Financial Products, Team Lead Guest Relations, Team Lead TCC Delivery Services, Tech Operations Program Manager, Vendor Manager." (@ad+1k8np2as9)
4. "Communications." (@a2+1k8nghft6)
5. "Design/PDD Teams — anyone get emails? What levels? What Divisions?" (@a5+1k8nf9ynm)

===== F. General, Multi-Area, or Target-Wide Mentions =====

1. "Tech / R&D - Nothing yet!" (@a5+1k8neramv)
2. "Tech, digital & cyber so far so good today. but... are we just left for latter and will there be a massive cut within these groups as well?" (@a7+1k8p1j133)
3. "The company's performance was lagging, so today's layoffs are the sad and painful result of that lackluster performance." (@OP+1k8nfxb8q)
4. "From what I’ve seen it’s mostly been low performing ICs in digital. Minimal impact. But I’ve heard rumors that there will be another wave that will hit digital harder after peak." (@a3+1k8nrdpg3)
5. "Very sad to see research and development teams eliminated, it always seems like the first thing to go in a mass layoff like this." (@OP+1k8pntp9g)
6. "In my area, all the L7s were let go were doing the work of an L5 or even an L4." (@a6+1k8r7fqnj)
7. "The distribution list that was used to email people who were laid off was shared." (@a5+1k8pkdyew)
8. "Associate buyer Sr Consultant Financial Products Lead IDO Specialist Sr AP Tech Investigations Sr FSQ Specialist Home Based Sr Specialist CSC Principal Engineer US Sr Photo Producer Associate Fabric Engineer — from what I saw." (@aa+1k8nqwqqq)
9. "TII employees that were not impacted received an email telling they would continue to be a team member. Apparently guest facing and marketing teams were most impacted." (@a5+1k8n55yrd)
10. "completely gutted." (@a4+1k8p2em87)

If we're laid off as fully remote, what if the WARN Act isn't added into our severance? Is there anything that can be done? I've heard about the class action lawsuit last year from a remote worker laid off last year who was working in CA but managers/work location were in NY and they didn't get WARN Act pay applied to them because they were remote. I think I'll only be getting 4 weeks severance if that's the case.

Are remote workers who don't live near LA/NY office just sc--wed because of some loophole for being remote?