#offshoring

14% success rate.

Offshore is where companies go to die.

Here's what really bothers me about corporate America. These companies want Americans to buy their products, pay for their services, and keep their revenues growing, but they're increasingly shipping the jobs overseas. They want us as consumers, just not as employees. They extract wealth from the American economy while moving more of the wages and economic activity that wealth generates somewhere else.

Think about what that does over time. Every decent-paying job moved overseas means less money circulating in American communities. That's money that would have been spent at local businesses, restaurants, stores, and on housing. That's economic activity that would have generated tax revenue to support schools, roads, and infrastructure. Instead, more of the gains flow to shareholders, and a disproportionate share of those gains goes to a relatively small group of wealthy investors.

And these people aren't even taxed the same way workers are. Someone working 50 hours a week pays taxes on their wages, while someone sitting on millions in appreciating stock can accumulate enormous wealth without paying taxes on those unrealized gains. We've created something resembling a modern rentier class, where owning assets is increasingly more rewarding than actually working.

Meanwhile, the stock market keeps reaching new highs, but wages aren't keeping pace. Investment wealth can grow several times faster than workers' earnings, and the gap compounds year after year. The people who already own assets get richer, while the people whose labor keeps these companies running fall further behind.

Then add housing and food inflation. Workers are getting squeezed from every direction. Even when their wages increase, their disposable income barely moves. For young people, it's particularly brutal. In some markets, saving for a down payment can take something like 16 years instead of eight a generation ago. How are they supposed to become independent, buy a home, start a family, or build wealth when the entry point keeps moving further away?

Homeownership has historically been one of the main ways ordinary Americans accumulate wealth. Now we're making it increasingly inaccessible while rewarding those who already own property and financial assets.

And here's the part that really gets me: corporations still depend on a functioning American middle class to buy their products. But they're systematically weakening the very people they depend on. You cannot keep extracting purchasing power from a society while eliminating the jobs and wages that create that purchasing power in the first place.

This isn't sustainable. Eventually, you end up with a country full of consumers who can't afford to consume, workers who can't build wealth, and a small ownership class accumulating an ever-larger share of everything.

We're not building a prosperous society anymore. We're building an economy that works brilliantly for people who already own things and increasingly poorly for everyone who has to work for a living.

Is this office still around or have they moved them all to Bengalore?

The government should heavily tax work outsourced overseas when those costs are billed back to U.S. corporations, but we all know that will never happen.

Outsourcing doesn't just eliminate American jobs, it drives down wages, weakens the middle class, and strips communities of the economic stability they depend on.

Corporations pocket the savings while American workers and taxpayers bear the long-term costs through lost opportunities, reduced tax revenue, and greater economic inequality.

Nobody is coming to save American workers because the people making these decisions benefit from the very system that's destroying their livelihoods.

Is that work shipped to QIPL?

Heard over 75 replenishment employees are being let go and those jobs begin to be shipped overseas? Is this true that no replenishment will be done by US Foods anymore? What is next?

Not being cut, just moved. That's the sad truth.

We are #110 on fortune 500, yet #61 on most H1B sponsors https://www.levels.fyi/h1b/sponsors/ which says all you need to know

Btw, if you make under $137K, congrats, you make less than the avg H1B's they hired to "save costs" because they “couldn’t find equivalent U.S talent” which should be a slap in the face to you. There are some serious questions that need to be answered here.

The worst part is our stock would be doing the same with Andy (in retrospect, my word was he the last stand against mass outsourcing, and now I miss him despite his quirks) as it is with GK. The stock is "performing" due to the larger markets, NOT because of GK. And she thinks its her doing, so will double down on the outsourcing. Godspeed.

For legal reasons, this is all "allegedly"!

Study has identified 2,700 jobs in HC10 to be moved to India. Watch out if tou notice supervisors for your group are being stood up in India and there is emphasis placed on knowledge transfer.

Robin, things are beginning to heat up. The current trajectory of BNY’s aggressive US workforce reduction—driven by domestic layoffs, intensive offshoring, and a reliance on lower-cost global labor arbitrage—has officially breached critical thresholds for organizational safety.

The regulatory landscape has completely shifted. Vice President JD Vance’s newly announced federal crackdown on visa fraud and outsourcing abuse—which has already targeted major corporate entities and suspended IT offshoring giants from labor programs—means your strategy of substituting American workers is now directly in the crosshairs of federal inspectors. Visa fraud is a severe federal offense, and you will be the one in the hot seat when the government comes knocking.

https://apnews.com/article/h1b-visa-program-vance-microsoft-e7b3a407f822702b269ee277d21343ea

Here we go again...

Nothing says "strategic success" like shipping jobs overseas while clients complain louder every quarter.

Why does BNY leadership treat every role moved to Pune or Wroclaw like a championship victory?

-- Cheaper labor? Applause.
-- Lower payroll costs? Standing ovation.
-- Another "efficiency" milestone? Bravo! Release the trained harbor seals.

Meanwhile, service deteriorates, experienced employees leave, and decades of institutional knowledge disappear. Yet none of that seems to matter as long as this quarter's spreadsheet looks good and more legacy workers are shown the door.

The real irony is watching outsiders cheer it on. Investors get a short-term bump, executives collect bonuses, and consultants sell another transformation story.

Everyone celebrates the savings while ignoring the slow erosion of client trust, service quality, and workforce experience.

So here’s the question… Is BNY's future really built on the promise of AI, continued offshoring, and the ongoing practice of replacing legacy workers, particularly those over 40?

The answer has to consider the fact that a bank's greatest assets aren't cheap labor and PowerPoint slides. They're expertise, relationships, and reputation, right?!

The real tragedy isn't that RV and company can't see the iceberg. It's that they're still calling the collision a success and celebrating it over and over with the same haughty arrogance.

Is there an end in sight?

What are the determining factors?

After many years of loving my job at Cigna I decided to retire this spring after seeing signs of no new projects, managers caring less and less and everyone living under the constant threat of being laid off. I still care about all my ex colleagues and friends and I wonder what the end game is here, is it to totally make all Cigna managers non local ( indian) and try anf replace the experienced workforce with HIH employees ? It will fail. Its already failing. 2026 had hardly any new projects and it sounds like 2027 will be the same. May the force be with you all and F HIH.

Hiring WCIB tech head and CBB head. Grade 19.

So if you are in those 2 division, prepare for major outsourcing of your job for cheap labor.

Some of the jobs listed in India are grade 10, here in MN, it's grade 13/14.

They have posting for KYC leader, grade 13. Probably a grade 16 in most places, especially after the $1 billion fine on BOFa for money laundering.

They are moving 20,000 jobs to India, based on job grade, you can see why

If BNY really believed its own cost‑cutting gospel, the Executive Committee would be the next “efficiency lever.” Consider that a U.S. senior executive package easily runs $3–6M+ when you add salary, bonus, equity, benefits, and perks. An equivalent leadership role in Pune or Wroclaw costs a fraction — often 70–85% cheaper when you factor in compensation norms and lower fully‑loaded costs. If BNY is happy offshoring engineers, ops, QA, onboarding, and client service, why stop at the people making the decisions???

Would Wall Street cheer? Absolutely. Cutting a few million in executive comp barely moves expenses, but it sends a loud message: “We’re serious about margins.” And BNY’s stock already jumps when they squeeze labor — imagine the reaction if they squeezed their own.

Will it happen? Almost zero chance. Afterall, offshoring is for everyone else and of course not for those who go on African Safari trips. :0 The cost savings are real, but the appetite for self‑accountability at the top is nonexistent.

Not sure about cuts in Jan... If true prety much all roles are vulnerable especially anything that can be automated or replaced by AI. The rumors also points to heavier outsourcing to multiple global hubs and a potential freeze on US hiring. OK, I can believe that...
It may be just grapevine talk, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But what really made me pause was how it came up. The context wasn't even supposed to be about job cuts; it was a conversation about someone interviewing for a VP role in NYC. They got a verbal salary offer and a projected start date, and then completely hit a brick wall just total radio silence while management suddenly decided to interview more candidates.
Someone else chimed in to say that the NYC offices have already been absolutely gutted by the workforce reductions earlier this year.
It makes me wonder if these two things are connected. Is leadership seriously still putting people through the ringer for US roles while drawing up blueprints for January cuts? Or are hiring managers just stuck in limbo, waiting on headcount approvals that are never going to come???????????????
Is anyone on the inside hearing anything concrete about January, particularly within Technology - Cards - Ops ? And are managers actually openly throwing around "AI" as a justification to slash headcount?

By now you should have updated your resume, applied for internal positions available, removed personal information from company computer, prepare your family there is a strong possibility you will lose your job to offshore cheaper labor. Have a list of co workers to check on. Keep touch. Tell your story to the department of Labor. Watch for a class action because something sticks like rotten fish.

When I randomly open Linkedin...

All I see is notices from existing CDW coworkers in the States posting about either being let go or new coworkers posting "thanks" for being hired in India (no knock to those in India as that'll help cut costs to boost our stock price)...

But is leadership aware of the optics for existing customers? Might as well move Customer Relations & Support as well as Purchasing and all other backbone to India as well. Might as well go all the way at this point since they started this with AR/AP.

Not saying I want a bulk of US coworkers to be let go but leadership seems confused on sitting on the fence on what to do and to what extent.

Guess those highly paid consultants aren't worth the money if they are scared to fully go all the way with thier outsourcing and overseas worker strategy.

Also I noticed India coworkers are getting nice Apple notebooks when I'm still using my brick of an HP notebook that's seen better days as my fingers bang out sales on those plastic keys. Give me a Panasonic Toughbook 😂

RV has executed an aggressive labor overhaul, gambling that a mix of heavy offshoring, headcount reduction, and rapid AI automation can replace deep institutional knowledge without destabilizing operations. This approach has successfully optimized the short-term bottom line, but signs of friction raise the question: is this corporate strategy starting to fracture? Although this aggressive cost-restructuring has yielded spectacular short-term financial performance, industry observers are increasingly asking if this high-stakes gamble is sustainable.

It is unbelievable to me that the company let all the talent go in exchange for a bunch of overseas employees with NO experience and very little English! I would LOVE for them to join some of the client calls with these new resources to hear firsthand what they have done!

What do you think will be the scope, headcounts, etc. I personally think that it'll turn out to be bigger, in every sense, than most of us are expecting and I really do not see them having any bets as it relates to major technology investment in the USA. All of this is happening while most of large companies are reexamining use of H1Bs and offshore workforce. I honestly think that the USA should make a major push to onshore as much as possible as we saw what 2 decades of globalization and sending both manufacturing and service jobs overseas has brought. I do not like it and while it may fill pockets of execs and an occasional shareholder, it does damage to us as a society as well as a sovereign country.

Anyone read this conversation with Paul Sanford on Iris? It’s like it was written by a corporate BS generator. It’s a really long winded way of telling us that there is going to be more layoffs and offshoring.

So Kroger is planning to eliminate 3,000 corporate jobs over the next three years. Apparently around 10,000 people were invited to the announcement call, which would make this a pretty significant reduction.

From what employees are saying, this isn't just IT. HR, merchandising, buyers, retail operations, KTD, 84.51 and Kroger Precision Marketing could all be affected.

The bigger concern seems to be offshoring. People at 84.51 say work has already been moving overseas for the past year. Others are reporting that Deloitte India employees are shadowing existing technology teams and being trained to take over their responsibilities. Someone on here mentioned managers suddenly asking for documentation and technical diagrams. Makes you wonder how much of this has already been planned.

And three years? That's three years of wondering whether you're next. How do you plan a vacation, buy a house or make any major financial decision with that hanging over your head?

Some people think the savings will go back into stores, lower prices and better staffing. Others believe it will just mean more stock buybacks, dividends and executive bonuses.

The real question is whether Kroger is actually eliminating unnecessary positions or simply replacing experienced American employees with cheaper offshore labor.

Anyone on the corporate side hear more specifics about which departments are being targeted first? And has anyone been given an actual timeline?

I was recently laid off from NBC Peacock along with our whole custmer service team in Orlando. We were told that the company wanted to save money and was moving our jobs to India. Just like that, we were all out of work. We spent years learning how things work, helping customers, and dealing with problems every day. We knew our jobs and worked hard to keep customers happy. Now none of that seems to matter because someone decided they could pay people overseas less money to do the same work. What makes me angry is that Peacock is part of a huge company that makes billions of dollars. I also read that Peacock finally started making a profit. So the company is doing better, but the people who helped it get there are losing their jobs. It just doesn't seem right.

I have nothing against the folks in India. They need jobs and have families to support just like we do here in the USA... But I don't understand why American companies keep getting rid of American workers to save money. We handled all kinds of customer problems, and some of them were not easy to fix. It takes time to learn these systems and understand what customers need. Now the company is handing that work over to another company and hoping everything will be fine. I've also been reading comments from people who say NBCUniversal is looking at using more AI to handle work. Management keeps saying AI is supposed to help employees, not replace them. But after seeing our entire team get laid off, it's hard to believe anything they say anymore.

The worst part is knowing that you can work hard, do everything they ask, and still lose your job because someone wants to cut costs. We weren't told that our work was bad. We were told the company could save money by sending our jobs overseas. That's a hard thing to accept when you have bills to pay and a family depending on you. I've heard that other departments at NBCUniversal have been losing people too, so I don't think this is only happening to customer service. I just wish companies would think about the people who work for them instead of only looking at how much money they can save. After everything we did for Peacock, I really expected better than this.

I was laid off by UKG after survivng an earlier round of layoffs... and now apparently there's been ANOTHER round on 10/6.... I honestly don't know what is going on with this company anymore. When the earlier layoffs happened our team wasn't included and I thought maybe we were finally safe... then two months later I walked into a meeting with HR and was told I was being laid off. No actual explanation... nothing.

And now I'm reading about even more people losing their jobs. Some employees are saying around 250 were affected this time, although I've also seen someone mention 120+... so who knows what the actual number is. What makes this soooo frustrating is how little information seems to be getting out about these layoffs... people are finding out from coworkers, texts and internal groups instead of any real communication.

From what others are reporting, the latest cuts hit Sales, Global Alliance, Post Live, Benefits Administration, BI, IT and even the Ready product support teams... Seriously???? Apparently some of the Ready employees are being kept until February to finish their work before their separation. Imagine knowing you're losing your job but still being expected to work through year end... and from what one person reported, some employees didn't even learn what their transition duties would be from management. They found out from coworkers.

And then the VERY NEXT DAY after people were laid off... employees reportedly received an email welcoming a new VP of Customer Success. After laying off customer facing employees???? You really cannot make this stuff up.

There is also a lot of discussion about work being moved to India and the Philippines. Some employees are saying they personally trained people overseas who are now getting promoted while they're watching their own teams disappear... I don't know how widespread that is, but it's certainly raising questions about what the long term plan is for US employees.

What happened to the whole "People First" thing at UKG??? Because after everything I've experienced and everything others are reporting, that slogan just sounds ridiculous now. I don't even believe these layoffs are necessarily about performance... it feels like salary, visibility and who management wants to keep are what really matter.

I'm trying to move on from my own layoff but seeing all these additional cuts makes me wonder when this is actually going to stop... There were layoffs earlier this year, then August / September, and now October. At what point does this stop being called restructuring and just become the normal way UKG operates????

I'm curious whether others at UKG were impacted by the October 6 layoffs, particularly in Ready, Sales, Post Live, Global Alliance and BI. Is the 250 number accurate? Are jobs really being moved to India and the Philippines? And does anyone know whether more layoffs are planned before the end of 2026?

I'm curious what other U.S.-based Kyndryl employees are seeing regarding recent Resource Actions (RAs), particularly within infrastructure services, IAM, systems administration, and technical support/delivery.
There have been recent reductions affecting employees in technical roles, but there doesn't seem to be much discussion about which U.S. organizations or service areas are being impacted.
For those working stateside:

• Are you seeing additional RAs within your teams or accounts?
• Are reductions primarily affecting delivery personnel, management, or both?
• Are positions being eliminated entirely, consolidated, or shifted offshore?
• Has anyone heard credible information about additional reductions planned for the remainder of 2026?
• Are certain technical disciplines or service areas being targeted more heavily than others?
  I'm particularly interested in hearing from employees directly involved in U.S. infrastructure operations, security/IAM, and account delivery.
  Not looking to spread rumors or create unnecessary panic. Just hoping to get a clearer picture of what's actually happening across the U.S. organization.
  If you've witnessed recent changes firsthand or have credible information, please share what you're comfortable sharing without identifying individuals.

H-1Bs are a vehicle to offshore projects. They train overseas teams until the whole thing gets handed off. Offshoring should only be for routine tasks, not core intelligence. especially with AI making data leakage overseas a massive risk.

When will people realize that offshoring is taking many, many more jobs than H1Bs are? I'm not saying the H1B situation shouldn't be dealt with, but let's turn our anger toward the bigger issue. Thousands of jobs are being cut at Oracle, only for people to discover that those same positions have been moved to other countries. And it keeps happening. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

Isn’t Verizon doing the same thing as Microsoft. Laying off thousands of hard working Americans and replacing them with cheap labor. I heard the NOC and VRAN organizations were decimated and all jobs were offshored to India. I was on a VP call recently and it felt very awkward to see multiple teams joining from India. Never in my life have I seen this.

Something finally being done about H1B. Will GCC be next?

Companies that replace American workers with cheaper labor in India are prioritizing profits over people, undermining the livelihoods of hardworking families and contributing to the decline of the American middle class. This practice not only exploits foreign workers but also betrays the trust of American employees who deserve fair opportunities.

The government has suspended HCL, TCS, Adobe, Wipro, Microsoft, Infosys, Cognizant and Capgemini from the PERM program amid allegations of immigration-related abuses. Whether this leads to more domestic hiring or simply pushes companies toward more offshore staffing remains to be seen.

Here is the direct comparison of the layoff and green card (PERM) application data that explains why Microsoft and Adobe were targeted by the government's recent suspension while Dell was excluded:

Microsoft
Layoffs (2025/2026): 6,000 American workers laid off.
H-1B & Green Card Sponsorships: Obtained 6,300 new H-1B visas and applied for nearly 3,000 green cards during the same period.
Government Status: Suspended

Adobe
Layoffs (2025/2026): No mass corporate layoff (net headcount actually grew by ~650), but targeted role cuts occurred.
H-1B & Green Card Sponsorships: Filed 3,682 PERM applications, 1,000 of which the government claims overlapped with positions of workers who were laid off.
Government Status: Suspended

Dell
Layoffs (2025/2026): ~11,000 overall workers laid off.
H-1B & Green Card Sponsorships: Filed 0 new PERM applications in 2025.
Government Status: Not Suspended
Very Large outsource workforce in India

10/8/2026 - BREAKING: Secretary of Labor Keith Sonderling: "I am hereby suspending from the Permanent Labor Certification Program some of the largest IT outsourcing firms in the world - Cognizant, Infosys, Tata, Wipro, HCL, and Capgemini - and also, due to multiple active federal investigations, the Department of Labor is suspending Microsoft and Adobe from the program."

The Department of Labor just announced that eight major technology and IT outsourcing companies are being suspended from the PERM labor certification program. The list includes Microsoft, Adobe, Cognizant, Infosys, Tata Consultancy Services, Wipro, HCL and Capgemini.

PERM is the process employers use to sponsor foreign workers for employment-based green cards. Labor Secretary Keith Sonderling said the government will stop accepting new applications and processing pending applications involving these companies. The administration cited alleged immigration program abuses and ongoing federal investigations.

This does not automatically revoke existing H-1B visas, but it could seriously affect employees waiting for employer-sponsored green cards. The timing is particularly interesting given the layoffs across the tech industry over the past several years.

For those working at these companies, how many employees are currently going through PERM? And do you think this will actually lead to more hiring of American workers, or will companies simply move more jobs offshore?

Source: Reuters, October 8, 2026.

So maybe we will end up with 6k employees in PHK. 1/2 current size.

and may be another 5k in Benguluru campus -> 10x growth

This is my two cents, most of you are seeing this as well. I think the mgmt is hitting things on three fronts, some of the things i'll list are familiar/announced, other maybe less so. Anyhow, they are pushing three transformation tracks, I'd name them: Management, Workforce, and Workplace....

On the Management Transformation side this boils down to greater surveilance and monitoring, standardized performance expectations and harsher consequences for noncompliance with policies (yep, RTO and others)...

On the Workforce side this means that we'll have fewer US salaried employees... There will be MUCH more geographic flexibility in sourcing labor. We'll want more lower-cost labor locations.

Workplace is being transformed as well, this means consolidated facilities, hotel desking, selective remotework exceptions, RTO sh-t, etc.

So, yeah, this place is massively changing and nothing is going in the worker's favor.

Especially in CM's area. I know he has been trying to outsource (almost) everything to India but looks like it's finally happening? Worse part - they are asking US folks to train their India counterparts before being laid off! Merciless and Brutal.

I think the goal is to shrink the US work force as much as possible continue to build the teams in India. They know they have to leave a small workforce in the US because once they start having India taking over the ones left in the US can be the face of UKG. Look at the trainings that we are doing lately.

Congratulations to our executive leadership team on successfully driving our stock into previously unimaginable territory.

Who could possibly have predicted that eliminating enormous portions of the workforce—including experienced employees from highly profitable business units—while aggressively replacing institutional knowledge with cheaper, inadequately trained offshore resources from a less than reputable company might eventually have consequences?

Apparently, decimating staff levels, increasing workloads, degrading service quality, frustrating clients, destroying institutional knowledge, and asking the remaining employees to enthusiastically embrace the whole thing as a "transformation" isn't the foolproof recipe for shareholder value we were promised.

The truly impressive accomplishment, though, may be the culture.

It's difficult to imagine how you could create a more demoralizing environment if you actually set out to do it. Employees get to wake up every morning wondering which department will be dismantled next, which colleague will disappear, which function will be outsourced, and which new corporate initiative will explain why all of this is actually fantastic news.

Nothing inspires engagement quite like watching competent people leave while everyone remaining is asked to do more with less—and smile appreciatively because someone put the word "strategic" in front of it. Have you noticed we've started to lose some of our best voluntarily?

So, genuine question for those who have escaped:

Has anyone left and landed somewhere that actually pays better, values experience, and doesn't make opening your laptop every morning feel like you're volunteering for a psychological endurance experiment?

Asking for everyone outside of the SLT.