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5 day RTO is here.

Well the long awaited 5-day RTO announcement finally came and in PNC fashion it was an email instead of being covered by the executives at their all hands. Obviously they didn’t want the questions or responses. Demchak is so disconnected from reality it’s comical. Good luck to folks that have been hybrid remote since well before the pandemic, a detail most in leadership seem to forget. Can’t wait for the talent to leave in troves to get paid what they’re worth.

Company wide email to come later this week. Only managers received the communication for now.


Ergonomics went out the window … RIP

Manila, Argentina, engine don’t have RTO: they are still hybrid. Why?
What’s the point in the US to have a free for all “find a place” seating?
New spaces are GREAT if you do not care about any ergonomics whatsoever.
When are 1500 office workers moving to 1400 so they can spend $100k+ building floors with glass and non adjustable chairs?

When are the packages coming again?
Makes me so sad - you?


Amazon's New Manager Dashboard Flags 'Low-Time Badgers' and 'Zero Badgers'

This question was asked a few times in this forum.

  • Yes, companies have started tracking "how long" instead of just "if" people badged in.
  • The sensors were there, but aggregation was not so common .. till now.
  • https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-flags-employees-rto-office-2026-1

2025 Bonuses - Retail gets 150% - Everyone else 50% - 75%

We work for one company, Retail can't function without IT yet every year they get 30% - 50% more bonus payout. This year will be an even bigger slap in the face with IT getting less than half of Retail along with a measly 2% merit increase, promotions canceled, American IT jobs displaced to India, and layoffs in Q1. Why pretend RTO is for collaboration? It just makes leadership look dishonest.


More mass layoffs next week and beyond. This is only the beginning.

Hearing from several prominent people that Goldman Sachs is taking over and mass layoffs are slated for next week (not just this past Friday) and beyond. I am also hearing that our friends overseas (you know- the offshore people in Pune) are going to be receiving any job reqs and locations like Lake Mary and Pittsburgh are going to be, if not phased out, greatly streamlined. Finally, the AI initiative is being met with heavy resistance from the "rank and file" and this, along with RTO and offshoring 'concerns', are a large part of the "rationale" for layoffs...this and the stock market (translation: how it benefits RV). 2025 will be nothing compared to 2026.


RTO is a sh-tshow

And it's by design. I almost have the feeling that they enjoy making us jump through hoops, throwing all kinds of obstacles and inconveniences at us just for the heck of it. Productivity and performance be damned. Losing top performers, because they do have a choice? Not important. As long as we are exposed to humiliating rituals and games, all is good.


Layoffs confirmed - insider info

On a call with leaders and managers. 25,000 layoffs last year, expect another re-org (or as it was said in the meeting; 'reshuffle') at the earliest mid-February.

Employee confidence in Cisco, it's direction and future are at an all time low according to leadership. The only positive is RTO reigniting local hire after years of stagnation.

It's time to start looking for a job on the grill at mcdonalds


Remote employees future

Is anybody else frustrated with the handling of Return to Office (RTO) mandates while remote employees continue to work from home, with no end in sight of RTO for them?
A large percentage of the company is still "FTE Remote" and am wondering how long do in-office employees have to stress about layoffs while remote employees continue to work at home.


RTO Desk Code needs to be followed

It's now been two days back in the office for most everyone, except for those who foolishly ignored return to office it and will soon be fired. Ladies, you used your free one-day no performance improvement plan issued pass yesterday. Now that we are back working in the office it's expected your attire is professional looking. It definitely does not look so when you are seen in the office wearing sweatpants, oversize sweatshirts and ratty tennis shoes like you normally did working at home.


Asterisk Tedious & Temporary (AT&T)

“To create connection* – with each other, with what people need to thrive in their everyday lives, and with stories and experiences that matter.”

  • Our company’s product enables people to do anything they want from anywhere in the world at anytime of day or night - and to prove it, we require our employees to suffer lengthy commutes into dangerous parts of town in aging buildings 5 days a week to join their Teams call from their desk. We call this “Collaboration”.

Massive RTO changes for 2026

Three locations are being designated as primary “home offices”: Austin, Nashville, and either Oklahoma City or Santa Clara.
Employees outside of these locations will be classified as remote for the purposes of promotion consideration and internal role changes.

In parallel, employees below I8 who choose not to relocate to one of these locations will be targeted for layoffs.

They expect to let everyone else ride it out until they leave Dell, but don't expect any growth.

Exceptions are expected, and this should not be interpreted as a blanket action for all sub-I8 roles. Outcomes will likely vary by organization and team, and specifics may differ accordingly.


We didn’t say new office. We said NO office.

So now the plan is to demolish the Plano site and build a brand new 45-acre campus from scratch. For one of the most levered companies in the world, still buried under massive debt.

This is the same leadership that burned hundreds of billions on T-Mobile, DirecTV, xandr, and WarnerMedia (among others). The same person making another massive, irreversible capital bet. And we’re supposed to believe this time it’s different?

What makes this even worse is the human cost. Over the last two years, employees uprooted their lives and relocated from all over the country to Dallas because the company told them to. Now leadership is moving locations again like a shell game, sc--wing over the very people who did what they were asked. No apology. No accountability.

And let’s ki-l the lie about the employee survey. It did not say “build us a new office.” It said people don’t want to be in offices at all, ever. Spinning that into a multi-billion-dollar campus no one wants or needs is insulting.

We also just lit $100 million on fire upgrading the Dallas office a few years ago. Add that to the pile.

At this point, the board can’t pretend they don’t see what’s happening. These decisions and their outcomes are public. If they continue to allow this, they’re complicit in the value destruction.

Employees will pay through lost bonuses and broken trust. Shareholders will pay through debt and wasted capital. And leadership will keep doubling down because no one is stopping them.

This isn’t strategy. It’s reckless. And it’s long past time for the board to intervene. End RTO, divest from the useless office space and improve the balance sheet. It’s not that hard to understand.


The real reason behind the RTO is to drive attrition

That's all. The question is whether the number of people pushed out will justify the costs. In this job market, people will try to hold on to their jobs and sacrifice a lot to do it. If it's even remotely viable to commute, relocate, or make other sacrifices, people will do it. Even the craziest requirements will be met, if objectively possible.


Another leadership blunder and another massive waste of money

Moving HQ from Dallas to Plano means billions poured into the new campus, long term lease, buildouts, utilities, security, and facilities just to force people into offices to sit on video calls. All cost. No return.

There’s a cheaper, smarter option leadership refuses to touch.

End five day RTO. Shrink or break the leases. Go remote first.

Office space costs large companies roughly $12,000 to $18,000 per employee per year. With roughly 130,000 employees, that’s $1.5 to $2.3 billion every single year. Over five years, up to $11 billion. Over ten years, north of $20 billion.

Instead of saving billions, leadership is lighting it on fire to defend a failed work model. Plano isn’t a strategy. Five day RTO isn’t leadership. It’s just another expensive mistake employees and shareholders will pay for.


Free Cash Flow

With all the money that execs have burned on RTO, a new Global HQ, and the stock tanking because that’s all Stankey knows how to do, how are feeling about bonuses?

Are we going to be paying for RTO, new HQ, and our horrific work culture out of our bonuses?


RTO su-ks, and anyone who disagrees is a total clown or has no independent thought or free will

It’s honestly wild watching some of the loudest RTO cheerleaders and management bootlickers act like loyalty is going to save them. These are the same folks who defend every decision no matter how destructive, as if leadership is going to knight them for “service.”

Here’s the reality they don’t want to hear:

The company doesn’t love you back.
Being the loudest “yes” person has never saved anyone from a layoff here. If anything, history shows the opposite: the people who blindly go along with everything are usually the first considered “nonessential” because they bring nothing unique to the table.

And let’s be honest… a lot of the hardcore bootlickers aren’t exactly the strongest performers. They survive by attaching themselves to leadership and hoping that being overly obedient somehow equals value.

Spoiler: It doesn’t.

While they’re out here glazing every leadership move like it’s divine strategy, the rest of us have actual skills and can see the writing on the wall.

Bootlicking isn’t job security.
Competence is.
Flexibility is.
Retaining real talent is.

And none of that is reflected in the current path this company is on.

So maybe instead of worshipping the people who would cut them in a heartbeat, they should start advocating for the changes that would actually help everyone… including themselves.


This place is making me hate my life.

We are all just pawns in this RTO bs game designed to make people so miserable they quit while also propping up real estate portfolios of black rock, Stankeys overlords. He has no original thoughts or ideas. He just does as he’s told to do, and the board is complicit. This company is just about dead, and Stank is the most commonly hated CEO in the world. Nobody believes in him. He’s proven time and time again that he is nothing but a loser with his buy high sell low tactics. He’s burned billions and needs to be held accountable.


Any real news for 2026

We're all excited for $6 chickens and looking forward to a protein-packed new year.
Spy cameras have been installed in working areas.
PIPs on the table, get ready for another inconsistent.
5-day RTO seems to be the biggest circulating rumor?
Anyone think there's a real possibility of leg irons at the desks?


Sudden spike in support for RTO here

I am noticing that whenever people complain about the RTO suddenly seeing people who are like a-holes about it and being supportive of it which wasn't the case earlier.

Is there like a sudden spike in trolls or ragebaiters?

Also nobody being happy about RTO makes sense and linger on especially when the company has been lying about promising remote or hybrid work but instead they are just effectively trying to ki-l it. Plus the facilities are not in good shape and monitoring in place shows that they just want to control which is another reason to be mad about.