#outsourcing

Lyondellbasell has terminated roughly 85% of its IT (or Digital buzzword) staff (originally announced as 100 employees but real numbers are around 300+) that had 8+ years..with the company in an effort by an ex-Shell fool named Kayoor to outsource American jobs to TCS outsourcing Indian shared services, keeping only Senior leadership and dozens of 'directors' that are solely responsible for saving their own jobs ' and not the ones performing the actual work for the company.
Claiming they want to industrialize utilizing AI , these individuals have adopted an old model of cheaper, less experienced and less knowledgeable workers hoping they can recoup money lost due to a CEO thats agenda was to make a plastics ccompany not develop plastic.
Lyondellbasell is circling the toilet bowl.

This could have a Huge impact on both NCR Companies.

Has anyone been following this?

The "HIRE Act" is a proposed U.S. bill introduced in September 2025 that aims to discourage job offshoring by imposing a 25% excise tax on payments to foreign workers. Introduced by Senator Bernie Moreno, the bill would make these payments non-deductible for U.S. companies and is intended to boost domestic employment by redirecting the resulting tax revenue into programs like worker training and apprenticeships. The bill would apply to payments for services that benefit U.S. consumers, including those to workers on various work visas like H-1B and H-2B.
Key provisions of the HIRE Act:
25% excise tax: A tax is proposed on payments made to foreign workers (those not considered U.S. persons for tax purposes).
Non-deductible expenses: Companies would not be able to claim tax deductions on payments subject to the new excise tax.
Worker visa eligibility: The tax would apply to a wide range of foreign workers, including those on immigrant and nonimmigrant visas such as F1, J1, H-1B, and H-2B.
Domestic Workforce Fund: Tax revenue from the new law would be directed to a fund to support domestic workforce development initiatives like training programs and apprenticeships for American workers.
Potential impact and context:
Reduced offshoring: The primary goal is to make it more expensive for U.S. companies to offshore jobs, thereby encouraging them to hire domestically.
Impact on outsourcing industry: The bill could create significant uncertainty and pressure for companies in the global IT outsourcing sector, particularly in countries like India, reports NDTV.
Economic effects: Supporters argue the act would protect American jobs and national security by reducing reliance on foreign labor, while some critics suggest the costs could be passed on to consumers through higher prices, notes Reddit users.

If you do get laid off on Tuesday, is that your last day at Target or is it going to be one of those instances where they tell you that you have 60 days? Or maybe you stay on for x amount of time to train your Target India replacements?

Does anyone know if L3Harris is planning to outsource the rest of their IT infrastructure/departments to InfoSys and HCL once they take over from Accenture?

Another reorganization — new names, the same long-entrenched inept leadership.

No real changes. No products. Quality keeps sliding while the company waits for someone — anyone — to make sense of AI, since the so-called AI teams clearly can’t.

Directionless “AI strategy” built on vaporware, riddled with defects, and outsourced to contractors following Chinese-grade security practices — meaning none at all.

All our HR data is handle by AWS ....really?
Try to contact a human that works in AT&T HR you will never find ....anyone.
They subcontract all to apps or other companies.
We own nothing. Not even a server with our own data.
Good Idea, good implementation from our Bachelor in Arts Jeremy.
Let's hold all data for our network in Amazon Prime.

I am thinking that all functions will be outsourced except those that are required to keep the network running and some bean counters. Eliminate overhead by eliminating headcount, make all stores reseller locations, no inventory carrying costs (already in progress), shut down real estate, outsource wireline techs, eliminate internals sales and offer a commission based structure to external companies selling on our network. Oh, and free up billions by not being involved in Formula 1, which is only around because Lowell liked race cars and execs like the VIP treatment at races around the world.

This is not going to be a regular rearrangement of deck chairs, something big is coming and I imagine it is not specific to VZ. Other Telco's will need to do the same thing as the wireless bo-m is over and our industry is now nothing more than people jumping from provider to provider to get free phones when their contract is up.

If you've tried automating or using AI for this company you will know just how painful it is to try and push innovation. Multiple tiers of leadership, so many boundaries to break down, etc. Etc.

I find it funny that the company is choosing to use AI and technology advances as the message for headcount reduction. In my experience those outsourcing moves just adds to the body count while doing nothing to automate. There is no future in technology for this company because it continues to distance itself from the people who can offer those options. I have been pushing a solution that would reduce two entire departments, instead or pursing they just keep adding bodies to the BSC's.

XOM will be left in the dust by its competitors as they choose to advance technology while XOM looks to outsource and reduce its expertise.

Watch and see.

They keep pushing to replace us with cheaper, outside teams who clearly don't know our systems. Now it takes three of them to do one job, and everything is still falling behind. I am so frustrated that management thinks this is a real solution. All it does is create more mess for us to fix later.

Terrible…
Less benefits…
Less PTOs…
Sweat shoppish management …
Job cuts…
No diversity and that means not a single American in any layer above me or even around me…

Ohh wait that was the similar in ELV IT too.

IT had layers and layers are Indians. Several of them totally not competent by far. Speak English in a weird way with disregard and disrespect to grammar, pronunciation and several times etiquettes. And worst they keep hiring Indians ONLY. How? They bring cheap -ss Indians as contractors and then convert them. Companies like UST are partners in that crime.

They don’t even want to engage with white Americans nor do they want you around. They keep talking to each other in their mambo jambo local language and keep warming smelly food in the kitchen.

yeah damn it, this happening in USA.. not in Bangaladore.

Lake Mary is the "new" flavor-of-the-day/week/month/year. Reqs are Pune-only in Pittsburgh, AI is being shoved down our throats, Pune is taking over, and teams are actively training their eventual replacements in India. The big, tall building in Pittsburgh has very large pockets of empty floors/departments and the move to the much, much smaller building across the street is on-going.

AI, layoffs, and outsourcing to India: trending high. Lake Mary- the "new" growth location in the US.

25 percent forced rankings and many layoffs coming.

Have you ever actually tried to solve a real issue as a customer through AI? It’s ten times worse than dealing with the worst, least-trained human rep. Lately, companies have been using AI mostly as a convenient excuse to cut staff and replace them with cheap offshore labor. It’s more about offshoring than real automation. We’re nowhere near the point where AI can handle large-scale customer service effectively.

It’s already a big number in HIH. But how long will they continue to hire there? Or is it a moving target and they don’t know until we find a way to be profitable in other ways.

VCG Operations, CX
Value Operations, CX, Marketing, anything and everything that can be outsourced
Training
HR

Folks who've worked at WF for years know what I'm talking about. Take a great idea in theory, use the WF way, and F it all up!!!!

WF 1ndia is a classic case. They took lower cost staff as the reason to outsource. Yet, WF built huge campuses over there. They hired a TON of staff over there. As most know, 3 of them do the work of 1 of us. And guess what, over there being in MGMT is sorta like being an emperor. (OK, sultan for them). So, if you take a look WF 1ndia is top heavy now with tons and tons of top and middle MGMT. And, don't forget all the junket flights WF execs take every few months to go there and "meet".

If you think they are flying coach, think again!! Any flight that is over 5 hours puts the flyer in business or first class, every time.

All this adds up to tremendous overhead and costs. Ask me, and I'd opine that these costs have made the 1ndia bloat super big at WF. To the point, its actually cheaper to hire USA staff. Yep. You heard it here first. Let's not even get into the political things like BRICS and how 1ndia is hanging with our adversaries. Nope, no one thought of that.....LMAO

Comcast began yesterday the start of a campaign to eliminate thousands of frontline employees. This came after months of reassuring praise from higher ups that frontline employees would retain their jobs during the company’s transition. Thousands of jobs in the north east have been terminated and are being outsourced to India and the Philippians. While this began in the north east region, every region will be affected by the end thousands of employees will be out of work come January 1st. If they told you that your job is safe, it is not. Those selected to stay are also not safe as the company plans to release these employees sometime in late 2026.

does anyone have any details about the so called "co-sourcing" venture HPE is planning with Deloitte in Romania? All I'm thinking it's a masked lay-off. HR announced Global Finance and Accounting Organization will move to Deloitte as part of a co-sourcing venture between the two companies. Considering if you get an offer to move you'd have to resign from HPE and then start on a probationary period with Deloitte, why does this seem like the perfect scheme to avoid paying compensations for layoffs?

Okay, I never post on here, I usually just lurk. I work in finance, so while I don’t know all the HR specifics, I do know a fair bit.

Firstly, a lot of what’s being said on this forum is complete nonsense. Honestly, it’s been flooded with people who clearly aren’t staff and don’t know what they’re talking about.

Secondly, yes — changes are coming. Everyone knows that (if you pretend it's not, you are an id--t!). There are major shifts ahead for streaming tech, which was under VH. In the short term, reporting might be moving to PW, but don’t read too much into that! From what I understand, PW isn’t actually taking over streaming tech. Reporting lines don’t always mean much.

And let’s be real- just because DE says he “believes in streaming” doesn’t mean he believes in the staff already working here. We have to accept that LE's son would rather outsource than build and justify an internal team. - He wants his investment back at some point!

That’s a big number. This is a mix of employeees & contractors.

People wonder why they can’t find jobs in the US, this is why.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/honeywell-expects-record-business-jet-deliveries-over-next-decade-2025-10-14/

Yea! More Outsourcing to India....

Quoting @fx+1k79fcw84

Centralized control is the result of inexperienced leadership, lack of accountability, resources that aren’t qualified, and resources unable to learn and grow because of the revolving door of people coming and going, along with being in a continuous state of re-organizing. Culture is throw bodies at it —- very, very wrong. Speed comes from quality, and quality comes from experience, experience comes from learning … and over arching it all is having people that care. Currently caring about doing things right, calling out what’s broken, what’s not working, what’s costing the company $’s - is very much discouraged because anyone perceived as rocking the boat is somehow ‘bad’. If everyone just follows the party line, things will not turn around. Wholesale changes? Above my pay grade, but leadership inspires, it does not degrade, denigrate, or make high performing individuals that are experts at their jobs feel like sh-t every day as they see the waste, inefficiency, incompetence, and their colleagues discarded like cattle. Is a lot of people that care, but their hands are tied. We can be so much better. Focus on Sport? Awesome… but let’s focus on our Customers, fixing what’s broken, and treating employees like what they are - the single most important resource. How are people going to be inspired when they see 1-2 people laid off from a team that are replaced by 30-40 outsourced resources, that do nothing, fix nothing, and dump their issues on the fewer & fewer resources remaining that can actually get stuff done, understand both Tech & Business, etc. Is like having a soccer team full of stars & journeyman pro’s, and replacing it with your cousin’s brother’s middle school rec squad. Cheaper isn’t better - nor is it ever really cheaper, because is just shifting the work somewhere else.

AI not reliable yet. TCS losing business to GCCs hence layoff -to keep profits high.
Tata group as whole lost its way about a devade ago. Tata Steel high cost steel in country. Tata motots - high cost vehicle. Tata teleocm failure, Tata Retail business - not doin well

Stupid enough to this India teams can do all the work. Good luck

Nokia has an "American" CEO for a purpose. But will TACO use American tax dollars to help Finland? Hope not, since Nokia has outsourced lots of American jobs in wireless telecom, fixed network, and cloud telecom networks to other nations such as China, India, CHINA (repeated for a reason), Poland, Hungry, Portugal, France, Canada, Mexico, etc. And decreased drastically the tens of thousands of employees they once had in USA. Also, major customers such as AT&T and Verizon kicked Nokia out of it's 5G network. And now they want to talk about working together on quantum and 6G after giving away the 4G and 5G technology to China (with China's 51% ownership of Nokia Shanghai Bell). Nokia is now begging the US gov't for partnership only because China has decreased it's business with Nokia drastically over the past several years. If China was still giving Nokia business and expanding in China, would Nokia have even hired an American CEO? By the way, Nokia told Trump it has 7000 employees in US, but they forgot to mention that 1/3 are on foreign work visa in every single business group including many in research. That amounts to ONLY about 5000 or less "American" employees.

IT has so many departments and similar functions. IT is a service, why not eliminate most of them by contractors and real IT companies. So many IT workers looking for work with AI so the pay and market availability is now a great time to lower our cost.

1. Cost Savings
2. Access to Expertise and Technology
3. Focus on Core Business
4. Scalability and Flexibility
   5 24/7 Support and Reliability
5. Risk Management

Keep the chemical engineers and people in the field paid well. They are out in refineries and terminals in harsh conditions. Why pay them the same?
Most of them are useless and over paid and couldn’t get another job in the market.
John Deere man look into IT please!!!!!!
So many Losers!!!!

To make America great again!

As of yesterday, Emerson has outsourced all user IT support services to a third-party company based in India.

We've already had 2 departments completely outsourced that I know of and sounds like they are seeing what else can be.

Just got the email that the responsibilities of my team are being transitioned to NB and we are expected to facilitate that transition. When discussed with our manager, the focus of the conversion was only on how we can help the NB team come up to speed. When questioned about the future of our team, we were met with a vague response that can be summarized as "just wait and see". Not looking good...

I work in ontap engineering.

Should have been using EPC firms in place of TES decades ago.

This week a big group heads to India including Penny, a few ELT and OC, Operations, and Digital. 30 GPs and directors will be touring cities in India to make a decision on where the Edward Jones Flag will be placed in India. This is the next round of Enterprise Reimagined they told us about called Sourcing and Shoring which means outsourcing more US jobs to India. Get ready all, you are not safe and this next phase of ER will be way bigger in job lose then anything we just went through. Another few hundred jobs will be eliminted and moved to India in 2026 and will be higher in 2027.

All software and IT teams who are more contractually required to be US based will be required to be at 70 pct offshore. No rehired in US until achieved and R required otherwise.

The new CEO, that's not change. It is the continuation of a plan. If l have seen this and lived it.

Meatball did the job that Blackrock commanded. He hollowed out the company, and outsourced much of it. The only thing not yet completed it the conversion of direct store to the Big 6 indirects. But that is coming.

The Checkmark has lost a lot of ground, and that was intentional. Next will be a massacre of senior managers and higher. Also.maybe a sell off of prepaid.

And then they will sell the cold, dead empty husk of the company to the highest bidders for scrap. We will be the AOL of telecommunications and we will be left to ponder "the good old days" as if we ever had them.

In today’s SETH opening remarks, MW’s finished talking about all the great work underway by saying that “what underpins all of this is our culture and workforce, the very best in our industry, and I wouldn’t trade them for anybody else’s.”

When he said that I immediately thought of all the US employees (the workforce he wouldn’t trade for anybody else) he fired so that he could hire someone into the same job in a different country (so basically traded for someone else)…. Did anyone else hear it that way?

https://www.reddit.com/r/akron/comments/1mr368j/goodyears_new_indian_cio_moving_us_based_tech/

GPC has undertaken a large campaign of offshoring since they hired Naveen Krishna. Eliminating roles based in America for years and only using two contracting companies (TCS + Cognizant) both based in India. The IT dept is now 70% staffed by contractors in India (2500 out of 3500 roles) and over-represented locally by H1b Indians. Locally, the 3100 location that used to be primarily American FTE's is now flooded with Indian contractors. Naveen has kept his direct reports to a homogeneous mix but one level lower you will find gross over-representation of Indians. There are also Perm notice of filings hidden from the public job board.

Who says a CEO’s past track record means anything in a completely different environment? We’ll see soon enough where the new CEO stands on outsourcing or workforce cohesion.

Loffler Takes Over All Xerox Dealers in Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Minnesota. (Sales and Service)
https://tonernews.com/forums/topic/loffler-takes-over-all-xerox-dealers-in-nebraska-north-dakota-south-dakota-and-minnesota-sales-and-service/

Walmart needs a really good story to tell at the Q3 earnings call. What better way than to cut more US workers and save a ton of money on salaries! Remember, they have thousands of already approved H1B positions and the obvious closeness between the Indian outsourcers and Walmart leadership pretty much paints the picture of what’s to come.