#pip

Any managers here who can answer how management views PIP?
For the employee, PIP is a trap, you are asked to do more, more, and more, once you are out of PIP, they will ask to increase velocity to the death, once you are exhausted you are done anyway.
But how does management stay sane through the BS pretending?

Wondering if this is what they have in store for NA employees in all departments. A lot of changes have been made. I wonder how many people have actually made it out or targeted after these changes.

What's the package offered if one fails documented coaching before being put on PIP officially? Is it possible to negotiate/extend the last day of employment on paper?

If we resign during coaching period, is it considered as termination?

I’ve been placed on a PIP in my very first performance cycle as an experienced hire. It’s been almost a month since the program started, and I’m now considering resigning. If I opt for PIL (pay in lieu of notice), will I still receive the remaining salary amount? Also, if I leave before completing the PIP, would I be eligible to be considered for future roles at ExxonMobil?

I just had my second check in with my great champion supervisor. Well it is not going so good. I am dependent on training with another employee for one of the tasks. This person has been out on vacation for three weeks and not trained me at all. This employee also shows no enthusiasm to help me at all. I have asked the supervisor for help but not gotten any. I talked to hr and was told the supervisor was in charge of the pip plan. It really feels like they are setting me up to fail the pip. I cannot complete one of the task without guidance from this employee. I am keeping all documentation and meeting notes. In am thinking of getting a lawyer to look at them and or intervene. I am in my late 40's and have 10 years plus in. I was never encouraged to try the pip and was pushed to take the pil and leave.My supervisor seems bothered by the whole thing and shows no care or encouragement for me passing. The hr rep is even worse.I was told I could give up and convert to pil and leave if I feel as if I am not going to be successful.

Has anyone heard of anyone that was put on a PIP not being eligible for the PIL if they opt out of the PIP? The person in question was a salary employee if that matters.

Seeing a lot lately that PIPs are being used to wean out,
Can anyone actually confirm? - looking for people who are on one (and in particular anyone in EMEA?)
Would love to know more on the 'rationale' that is used?

PIP here is more about intimidation or saving money than actually helping anyone improve. Most of the people put on one are not even low performers. I’ve seen good people stressed to the point of burnout just because management wants to assert control. It's all bullcr-p.

Mid Oct RIF confirmed OI. If your on a pip or a cr-ppy 28+ your days numbered

There’s been a lull in posts the last few weeks (especially considering PIP season) and suddenly this page is flooded with basic, off topic posts.

This can only mean something was mentioned that needs to be hidden.

How’s the dumpster fire in Clinton going? How many older employees got targeted for the PIP this year? A truly toxic company with no integrity..

Do FTEs get severance if they’re laid off while on a PIP or Warning?

🔪 Step 1: Target selected
🧼 Step 2: Wrapped in buzzwords
📉 Step 3: Vanish quietly
Performance plan? Nah — it’s HR’s version of a ki-l room.
Check for plastic sheeting.

Writing up employees and managers left and right. Adding more and more responsibilities on all. Constant changes with no training or notice of the change. Constant emails of impending changes. Constant meetings, messages, sxs, 1 on 1. More and more coming everyday. And they are starting to drop like flies. SF is shaking the tree before the big reorganization.

d-mb question but I see a lot of people talking about NRE / RE/ and when they can and can’t PIP you based on how close you are to retirement. Can someone actually explain all these details to me? I am newer but not young so very interested.

Pretty much all reviews completed this week. Lots of meetings this week. Lots of Not Met scores on Reviews that usually would be Met. I have almost 30 years and can tell I am on the List. But, I have a feeling if I do get terminated it will be a Blessing in disguise. I will be rid of this Wretched Place.

Did anyone else get PIP’d this week? I heard there’s a bunch of us.

Continue to keep your eyes open and resume's ready as SF is a pile of sh-t just like the rest of corporate America. Corporations like SF are slowly and methodically sealing/draining our nation and our way of life's doomed faith.

Return to work mandates to run people off
Cutting benefits and pay, with added unlimited responsibility, you fill all roles!
Reassignments to shi-t departments or jobs, constant bullying
Accountability Cycles and bogus performance improvement plans
Understaffing to reduce expenses and inflate executive bonuses
Horrible training with path to proficiencies that set you up to fail
Woke and DEI- another way to say you are helping under represented groups but actually methodically abusing them and setting them up to fail. Labor abuse is the oldest form of systemic racism in America.
Age Discrimination
New Executive philosophy- you owe us 100% loyal and total sacrifice and we owe you absolutely nothing and will discard you at our convenience.
Constant surveys to target trouble makers and fake talent reviews to decide who is next.
Constant gaslighting, controlling the narrative, Exec propaganda, and constant sleight of hand and lies.
Remember never trust one single thing they tell you, sabotage SF at every turn and tell anyone and everyone you know what kind of trash they people are!

We all know leadership’s goal is to cut us down to bare bones. Why waste time and energy on PIPs, ffs? Just to save a couple of bucks in a sea of layoffs?

NI / NSI / PIP = yearly contract renewal – Every damn year people live in fear like contractors. One bad rating and you’re out. Zero stability.
•   Sycophants rule – If you know how to l___ b____, you get any role you want. Skills and hard work don’t matter here.
•   Indian supervisors – The biggest cl___s. Non-transparent, arrogant, manipulative, and treat people like d__t. Absolute sh___eads.
•   No per diem offshore – Imagine going offshore and not even getting basic allowances. ExxonMobil doesn’t care, you’re just a number.
•   BTC hiring joke – They keep hiring in BTC without defining roles. Just adding headcount for show. Chaos everywhere.
•   Supervisors shuffle every 6 months – New boss, new story, new “collaboration” n______e. By the time you adjust, they rotate again.
•   Americans = presentation kings – Most of them don’t know real work. They only know how to make fancy slides and complete projects “on PowerPoint.” When things fail, they blame BTC for “taking jobs.”
•   No career path – Don’t expect growth here. There’s no direction, no roadmap, only confusion.
•   Culture of show-offs – If you can talk b__g and polish slides, you’ll shine. If you do actual work, you’ll r__t in the same spot.

👉 ExxonMobil doesn’t belong to employees, doesn’t belong to BTC, doesn’t belong to America — it belongs to a bunch of ah_ supervisors and s_nts who know how to game the system. Everyone else is disposable.

I was meets expectations for last year end review and now this. I feel im unfairly being given this.

I didn't get a PIP or anything but unsure what to do or if there is any hope

I am still waiting for my dpc plan. I asked again and was told they were working on it. Everyone else is doing theirs now and are 2 weeks into it. Either exxon doesn't care or they are letting me fail purposely. I would like to see what the he-l they want me to do. I really want to improve my performance and be a more valuable employee to the company NOT. I just to get this s heet over with and see what torture they have planned for me. Is anyone else still waiting?

I joined about ten months ago and it was great for the first six months. But lately, everything I do is suddenly under a microscope, tasks feel impossible, and I’m left out of key meetings. My work isn’t acknowledged, and my role keeps changing. Is this just how things are, or is it a sign I’m being edged out?

I did not believe it before but I do now. In years past exxon would pip a variety of employees. I saw the old,young,men ,women,minorities and whites equally piped. Exxon took care to have a diversity in the piping. This year I at 54,another at 56,one at 63, another at 61 and last one at 64 years of age were nsied. We were all male one minority and the balance white. No women were nsied in our division. All of our performance issues were due to age,CL and high pay. I can say everyone of us out performed the younger employees in our groups. Well it is working because all the retirement eligible employees are leaving and I have to stay a year till 55. It has never been this apparent that exxon was targeting the old. One thing good about this is at least they did not nsi the vulnerable employees in their 40's. We oldies can afford to leave and will take one for the team. Remember youngsters you will be old one day too. What ever happens to us will someday happen to you so prepare for it. You have been warned.

In HC10, management is hoping for people to leave and offload jobs to BTC.

But not enough people leaving on their own. Is the company using PIP as a way to retrench people quietly without the media knowing?

Divide and conquer strategy since PIPs are private and confidential and typically people will just leave quietly on their own when put on PIP

No, I am not on a PIP but was on my first run at Dell, lol. Fkn Pro support bro...

If you get put on a PIP you are still expected to show up and do your job every day. If you choose to just not come in anymore then, they will just fire you - which is literally what a PIP is for anyways - but you won't get any type of severance, or pay for no shows, so might as well milk them for that check.

If you are put on a PIP, they are basically trying to force you to quit. Your job is 100x harder on a PIP than it should be and are micromanaged like a mo-o. Instead of quitting, continue to go in, do whatever tf you want to do and make sure it's the absolute bare minimum. A paycheck is a paycheck so, make dell pay you out for doing a cr-p job. They legally have to pay you so, do the minimum possible. They plan on firing you anyways so who tf cares at this point?

Go in. Do the bare minimum at most. Just show up and pretend to work in all honesty...

I was on a PIP years ago when i was in the Pro Support dept. and I showed up, did the bare minimum, collected my checks and that was it. They monitored our calls and etc... via a program called (I think it was called anyways) "ICE" and I disabled that, then ran a simple script to prevent an automatic reinstall. So I'd take calls, talk for a while then hang up to make it seem as if i was "working."

Which was hilarious becuase I was called in a week later or so to go over my PIP cr-p and they were baffled as to how and why they had no records of anything after xyz date. I told them idfk, just doing my job bros. They didn't have an answer because they had no idea how or why it wasn't being tracked so, that was that.

A week before I was to fail my PIP I quit. Applied for unemployment and received it. Got paid for an extra check as well because my manager was "fond" of me lmfao.

Long story short, drag that sh-t out and milk it. Do the minimum to stay on the PIP and then when it's coming to an end, just quit. BUT, do it professionally. As in tell your manager first because then you might not get unemployment.

I just heard from one of my young friends that he was PIPd. 4.5 years first time in NI. His supervisor said anyone in NI less than 5 years experience is automatically moved to NSI. Can others confirm this is true?

I had received an PIP and my last day was 8/8. My boss had created a UPS label for me to send the laptop back. I had UPS My Choice and was able to get update that label was created for my address by BNY. I am so glad I got that information and used my sick days for the next 3 days. I told my manager in text I knew about it before hand as the label was created last week and her jaw just dropped. If you are on PIP create UPS My select account and you will know atleast a week ahead of you are not passing your PIP

Performance improvement plans (PIPs, Pivots) almost always end in you being fired or quitting. There are psychological reasons this is inevitable. Here is why, and how to avoid them as an employee and to be a better manager.

First, I know a few managers will argue with me in the comments and claim that they "do everything they can" to help employees improve. I welcome your stories and claims - please post them!

Despite these honest claims, the psychology of the situation sets you up for being fired:

1. If the manager knew how to help you, they would have done so before writing an official plan

2. If you knew how to succeed at your work place, you would have done so already. Other than a few "quiet quitters," no one sits around saying "I want to do a bad job, so bad I get fired."

3. By the time your manager decides you need to be put on a formal performance plan, they have burned up all their optimism for you. Managers avoid this HR process and paperwork as long as they can...

...By the time they reach the point where they feel they must act, they have crossed a mental line of thinking "I may have made a hiring mistake" and / or "this person may need to be fired."

4. The HR process is set up at least in part to avoid employee lawsuits. As such, it is a machine designed to make sure that the right documentation and paperwork is created...

...This machine will force the manager to write down all the things that may indicate that you are a poor employee who can be fired for "non-performance."

The reason I say that most performance plans inevitably lead to termination is thus:

1. The manager's mental state shifts to "managing a problem" where that problem is you...

...Once they decide they are "documenting your poor performance," they tend to see, notice, and write down more things than they would have before.

2. The HR machinery grinds away. This is particularly true at companies like Amazon that have a goal of "unregretted attrition" where they want to actively move poor performers out.

To avoid getting fired...

You really must avoid ever getting on one of these plans to begin with!

Once the plan starts, the best course of action is to start looking for your next job fast, while you still have a paycheck.

Now for all the managers who claim that they really want their employees to succeed and they write the plans to try to help them:

1. I believe your intent and your good heart

2. All the subconscious bias I describe above still impacts you. Even if you want to help your employee, you are usually out of ideas (or you would have used them) and frustrated, plus now HR is involved and you have to think about the paperwork if it doesn't work out.

So: If you really want to help your employees, you have to do it before the performance plan comes out. By all means, be as fair and supportive as you can during the plan, but understand that at this point your best help to them may be giving them time to find a new job.

#pip #pips

How we creatively fire you!!!

For a skilled senior manager within BofA, firing someone is a pretty straightforward exercise. It just takes a bit of patience and an ability to game the system of documenting alleged shortcomings by the chosen employee. I witnessed a well-orchestrated hit on a Band 3 work to perfection starting with a coordinated assault using the 360 review process followed up by interim reviews with negative business partner input (pre-arranged) that led to a DNM on the How. Follow that up with an impossible to meet Corrective Action Plan, and your decision to fire can be bullet proof. In an environment like we have today where managers have every incentive to cut staff, the task gets easier. You just need to force rank someone as a weak "Meets/Meets" and when the next round of layoffs arrives you have his/her head on a platter. This is not and never has been about fairness or doing the right thing. It is realpolitik BofAML style.