#pip

Here is my story and predicament. If anyone has gone through what I am going through please post. I don't need the sarcastic remarks about how exxon wants me out because I know that. I am 54 and on DPC plan with 13 years service. I was told that if they don't see enough improvement I could be piped or terminated. I am doing what they want but the manager keeps nit picking my efforts and focusing on extraneous goals. I was told they would write up my progress and the manager would decide. One of my old friends went through this a few years ago and was told the same things. In the end he was passed and made it to 57 and retired. I don't know if they are bluffing or really going to try to get rid of me before I can retire. I asked all of my old exxon retirees if any employee was terminated during NRE years and they all said no. Exxon could fire me and I can still retire with several million in the bank now so I am not that worried. i still want to get my lump sum and medical though. Any helpful advice from those being squeezed.

#1 - No severance if you’re fired for cause
# 2 - save money on payroll
# 3 - give them COBRA, but they will pay unsubsidized premiums for health insurance

Or is that something that can be handed out throughout the entire year?

Every time I think we've hit rock bottom, they find a new way to stress us out. The constant changes, PIPS, the fake pep talks, the micromanaging, layoffs, AI... It’s draining everyone. Do they want to have a completely demotivated workforce that only does the bare minimum? Is that the goal here?

Anything? I'm so tired of only ever hearing about layoffs and shutdowns and PIPs and lost benefits and who knows what else.

This new 8-hour presence requirement is wrecking morale on my team. This is worse than what we had 20 years ago.

Need to pick your kids up from school? Forbidden unless you badged in at 6:30 AM.

Need to go to a doctor's appointment? Better not come into the office then or you'll lose your 8 hour average.

Want to come in an extra day this week to briefly support a team event? Not unless you want to get put on a PIP and lose your bonus.

Imagine thinking that hybrid "flexibility" is choosing which three days to sit in traffic.

All this, not because it improves performance, not because it helps clients, but because some crusty old executive can’t stand the thought of people being trusted to work like adults.

Be aware that if your manager at L3Harris puts you on a PIP (Personal Improvement Plan) that they are planning to lay you off without a severance package.
You will make it through the designated time period, but there will be one caveat - they will be able to let you go at any time without any reason or justification.

Do pip usually happen at specific times of the year, or can they be started anytime? My manager has been collecting evidence lately, and I’m starting to feel that I might be placed on one soon.

Don't forget to fill out your common review to highlight all your accomplishments over the year and also submit your peer reviews. If you go above and beyond and are a high performer management will reward you with a low merit score of a 2 or 3 and give you no bonus only to give 3 and 4 scores to those who kiss their behinds and are their favorites. Then place you on a CAP if your lucky only to lay you off. Also, please fill out your survey as they care about your feedback

Most of these threads are negative so I thought I’d share a positive story. I was NSI’d this year. Long story, ugly conflict with my previous organization. I’ve since transferred, and my new supervisor is proactively working with me to get through the PIP. Defending me from employee services, providing positive advice, and providing me opportunities to be stronger this year. It’s a nice change of pace from a previously toxic assignment. And no, I’m not a management plant.

After being a Star Performer till mid year, I was handed a PIP for the latter half of the year and put in Groupo 5 and served PIP. Through out the PIP for 2 months, HR did not show up even once, and after 60 days, I was terminated with notice period.
Again, HR was not involved at all. Is this normal?

If i stop showing up in the office, how long will it take to get a package? My situation is i have enough money to retire. I can't stand sitting in the office with the freak show there. If i stop going can they fire me, or will then default to writing me up and then PIP and then give me a package. My package is worth like 6 months, so i want it. I fu--ing hate working at this place so bad. Its painful working here.

If I was worried about losing my job. I would make sure I was doing what I was supposed to be doing, and where I am supposed to be. If you leave the building and don’t clock out or lie about it that’s time card fraud. You will be put on a PIP and volunteering yourself if there is a next layoff. Also, time fraud will get you the boot so fast you won’t know what hit you. So, if you’re super worried about your job I would do your job.

Tell us the ridiculous feedback you received from your manager in 1-1 coaching or PIP meetings.

I joined this fkn company cuz of the defined benefit of plan because in my mind it used to offset the PIP/PDS bullsh-t we have to do every year. Well Atleast they don’t do layoffs right ? I mean even tho the PDS system can be biased it can never be soo biased and merit must count somewhat right ?

Now they do fkn PDS/PIPs and do layoffs AND the raises are sh-t. So can someone please explain to me how does this make imperial better than CNRL/CVE/SU ? Fk being equal, I think imperial is the worst of all of these.

Oh and we don’t get company wide bonuses.

Those of us who were put on PIPs for no reason didn’t even get that.

Posting this for the inevitable questions over the coming months, or more likely next year when fears of being PIPd come up. These are the groups and the percentages for each group. Reminder: if you are in Group 4 or 5 you will not be eligible for severance. I expect very few who are let go receiving severance next year when there will be 25% of the population to choose from who would not be eligible.

Group 1 - 10% - Significantly Exceeded Expectation
Group 2 - 15% - Exceeded Expectations
Group 3 - 15% - Achieved Expectations
Group 4 - 15% - Achieved Some Expectations
Group 5 - 10% - Did Not Meet Expectations

Found out my co worker is on the PIP. He has been with Exxon for 22 years and had cancer last year. He was working even during the treatment even days he had Radiotherapy. I work with him often and his performance did not change. Can't stand this place!!!!!!!!!

The writing is on the wall. Pips are getting harder to pass. Employees in thier 40s and 50s are being pushed out. It's a huge toliet bowl that is on constant flush. I along with others are having our work outsourced. Most of the work is going to india and we just review it. We are all being systematically pushed out. All work groups are being gutted. I feel sorry for the new hires that are told the lies about a job for life. They are not told of the constant piping and cutthroat ranking system.
OP: @ag+1k687ancz

This is the gist of it. How it will all play out for regions or orgs, doesn’t really matter.

Or only the layoff is the only way yo be thrown out of Cisco?

For those expecting a golden parachute, consider this a warning: the bank does not want to pay severance. They already stretched funding for layoffs this year, and the idea of generous packages next year is a myth.

What you will likely see instead is a rise in “inconsistently meets” ratings or worse. If you miss your 4x8 schedule targets or fail to stay “in the zone” with daily activity metrics, don’t assume it will be overlooked. Ignore this at your own risk.

The system is designed to keep you boxed in. Step the wrong way and you may quickly find yourself on a PIP and out the door. This isn’t about development—it’s about attrition. They don’t need to force you out if the conditions drive you to quit on your own.

And don’t make the mistake others have made by filing complaints during leave—you risk being terminated for cause. Right now, management is looking for any excuse to cut costs.

That’s the reality. Take it seriously.

You would think if you were getting a $20+ million dollar compensation package to eventually fire most of Discover, that you’d have the courage to do it in person. Classy move Dan.

Doesn’t seem like the culture at Capone would be worthwhile to stay around for anyways. A culture powered by PIPs and toxic management sounds like it a top place to avoid, not one you should be interested in working at.

Any managers here who can answer how management views PIP?
For the employee, PIP is a trap, you are asked to do more, more, and more, once you are out of PIP, they will ask to increase velocity to the death, once you are exhausted you are done anyway.
But how does management stay sane through the BS pretending?

Wondering if this is what they have in store for NA employees in all departments. A lot of changes have been made. I wonder how many people have actually made it out or targeted after these changes.

What's the package offered if one fails documented coaching before being put on PIP officially? Is it possible to negotiate/extend the last day of employment on paper?

If we resign during coaching period, is it considered as termination?

I’ve been placed on a PIP in my very first performance cycle as an experienced hire. It’s been almost a month since the program started, and I’m now considering resigning. If I opt for PIL (pay in lieu of notice), will I still receive the remaining salary amount? Also, if I leave before completing the PIP, would I be eligible to be considered for future roles at ExxonMobil?

I just had my second check in with my great champion supervisor. Well it is not going so good. I am dependent on training with another employee for one of the tasks. This person has been out on vacation for three weeks and not trained me at all. This employee also shows no enthusiasm to help me at all. I have asked the supervisor for help but not gotten any. I talked to hr and was told the supervisor was in charge of the pip plan. It really feels like they are setting me up to fail the pip. I cannot complete one of the task without guidance from this employee. I am keeping all documentation and meeting notes. In am thinking of getting a lawyer to look at them and or intervene. I am in my late 40's and have 10 years plus in. I was never encouraged to try the pip and was pushed to take the pil and leave.My supervisor seems bothered by the whole thing and shows no care or encouragement for me passing. The hr rep is even worse.I was told I could give up and convert to pil and leave if I feel as if I am not going to be successful.

Has anyone heard of anyone that was put on a PIP not being eligible for the PIL if they opt out of the PIP? The person in question was a salary employee if that matters.

Seeing a lot lately that PIPs are being used to wean out,
Can anyone actually confirm? - looking for people who are on one (and in particular anyone in EMEA?)
Would love to know more on the 'rationale' that is used?

PIP here is more about intimidation or saving money than actually helping anyone improve. Most of the people put on one are not even low performers. I’ve seen good people stressed to the point of burnout just because management wants to assert control. It's all bullcr-p.

Mid Oct RIF confirmed OI. If your on a pip or a cr-ppy 28+ your days numbered

There’s been a lull in posts the last few weeks (especially considering PIP season) and suddenly this page is flooded with basic, off topic posts.

This can only mean something was mentioned that needs to be hidden.

How’s the dumpster fire in Clinton going? How many older employees got targeted for the PIP this year? A truly toxic company with no integrity..

Do FTEs get severance if they’re laid off while on a PIP or Warning?

🔪 Step 1: Target selected
🧼 Step 2: Wrapped in buzzwords
📉 Step 3: Vanish quietly
Performance plan? Nah — it’s HR’s version of a ki-l room.
Check for plastic sheeting.

Writing up employees and managers left and right. Adding more and more responsibilities on all. Constant changes with no training or notice of the change. Constant emails of impending changes. Constant meetings, messages, sxs, 1 on 1. More and more coming everyday. And they are starting to drop like flies. SF is shaking the tree before the big reorganization.

d-mb question but I see a lot of people talking about NRE / RE/ and when they can and can’t PIP you based on how close you are to retirement. Can someone actually explain all these details to me? I am newer but not young so very interested.

Pretty much all reviews completed this week. Lots of meetings this week. Lots of Not Met scores on Reviews that usually would be Met. I have almost 30 years and can tell I am on the List. But, I have a feeling if I do get terminated it will be a Blessing in disguise. I will be rid of this Wretched Place.

Did anyone else get PIP’d this week? I heard there’s a bunch of us.

Continue to keep your eyes open and resume's ready as SF is a pile of sh-t just like the rest of corporate America. Corporations like SF are slowly and methodically sealing/draining our nation and our way of life's doomed faith.

Return to work mandates to run people off
Cutting benefits and pay, with added unlimited responsibility, you fill all roles!
Reassignments to shi-t departments or jobs, constant bullying
Accountability Cycles and bogus performance improvement plans
Understaffing to reduce expenses and inflate executive bonuses
Horrible training with path to proficiencies that set you up to fail
Woke and DEI- another way to say you are helping under represented groups but actually methodically abusing them and setting them up to fail. Labor abuse is the oldest form of systemic racism in America.
Age Discrimination
New Executive philosophy- you owe us 100% loyal and total sacrifice and we owe you absolutely nothing and will discard you at our convenience.
Constant surveys to target trouble makers and fake talent reviews to decide who is next.
Constant gaslighting, controlling the narrative, Exec propaganda, and constant sleight of hand and lies.
Remember never trust one single thing they tell you, sabotage SF at every turn and tell anyone and everyone you know what kind of trash they people are!