#returntooffice

I was thinking about this recently, about how many people said they would walk away if RTO was implemented, but I don’t know a single person who actually did. Goes to show why companies get away with the things they do. Most people are strong on words, but never on action.

I’ve seen some locations go all-in and others where people are basically ignoring it and getting away with it (for now). Lots of grey areas. Any hot-takes? Anybody know of anyone who’s been fired for not complying?

FBS is over with now, so it'll get busy up until the week before TG holiday, then I use 3-4 weeks (or whatever is left, which is usually about 4 weeks) of PTO and take every Monday and Friday off the rest of the year.

My medical exmption RTO ends in November so, 3 days in for 2 hours each, then 1 day in the rest of the year after TG!

YAAAAS QUEEN, SLAY!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMFLC7IS4QA&list=TLPQMDIxMDIwMjUL_TeNWO39JA&index=6

Honestly I don’t understand why everyone is being punished for people who are abusing the system.

Those of you saying it is awful and filthy please snap pictures of it there are a lot of us documenting what the company is doing, their failed business practices, wanting to offshore American healthcare needs overseas to a country that is known to hack and scam people, and generally just expose what they have been doing all around. Not going to expose member data or anything that would bring harm to any one person at the top, but just bring to light how overall sh---y they are as a company. There are about 15 whistle blowers so far just waiting to post, so Filthy pictures on top of it will just add more proof this company is trash and only cares about what lines the shareholders and executives pockets. Not to mention half the staff can’t even afford the healthcare they offer.

So come November we have to do 3 days a week in the office. We must work together. Either a) none of us return to office or b) we all return at the office at the same times and really overwhelm the sites. The cafeteria can’t feed us all and there are not enough desks. What do you guys think

A survey of 1,500 US managers found that 25% of C-suite leaders admitted using return-to-office (RTO) mandates to prompt resignations, while 20% of HR professionals said their policies were intended to make staff leave. Nearly 40% of managers said layoffs still followed because not enough workers quit.

Amazon has faced some of the strongest backlash, with 30,000 employees signing a petition, 1,800 pledging walkouts, and many “rage applying” to new jobs.

Data showed 99% of companies with RTO mandates reported lower engagement, almost half saw higher-than-expected attrition, and 29% faced recruitment difficulties.

14% of the company has aligned to 4 days in the office, the other 86% said FU

I am a rehire and not updated in the system yet. Can someone confirm?

Curious if people have been termed for not being in the office frequently enough/ getting 3 badge swipes per week.

ADP doesn’t seem to enforce policies like attendance, punctuality, sick time day before or after holiday so is the # of days in office enforced?

Something to consider -

What this company is doing raises some serious red flags under employment law. When an employer sets rules that only apply to certain groups of employees—for example, requiring people who live within 30 miles of the office to come in while allowing those further away to remain remote—that can amount to disparate treatment or disparate impact discrimination.

Under federal law (Title VII, ADA, ADEA, etc.), employers can’t impose policies that unequally burden one group of employees over another unless they can prove it’s based on a legitimate business necessity and that there’s no less discriminatory alternative. By creating two classes of employees—one penalized for their proximity to the office and another exempt based purely on where they live—the company may be exposing itself to claims of unlawful, unequal treatment.

It sounds like 8 hours no matter where you are. In effect quashing the new policy

One had a picture of JF. All screens on DDL are off. Drop deets of you have em

New research suggests many companies have used return-to-office (RTO) mandates as a tool to reduce headcount. A BambooHR survey of over 1,500 U.S. managers found that one-quarter of C-suite executives admitted they hoped RTO policies would prompt voluntary resignations. One in five HR professionals acknowledged that their in-office requirements were specifically designed to make staff quit.

Nearly 40 percent of managers surveyed said their organizations eventually turned to layoffs because not enough workers left after RTO mandates were introduced. The report concludes that "RTO mandates are layoffs in disguise," echoing a sentiment long suspected by employees.

The backlash to rigid office policies has been well-documented. Amazon faced one of the largest employee protests, with about 30,000 workers signing a petition and more than 1,800 pledging to walk out in opposition to its RTO requirement. Many staffers described updating their résumés and job hunting immediately after the mandate.

Data shows that 99 percent of companies with RTO mandates have seen lower employee engagement, nearly half have experienced higher-than-expected attrition, and 29 percent are struggling to recruit. BambooHR’s research further found that about one-third of employees would consider quitting if forced back to the office, even if fewer ultimately follow through.

The findings highlight a growing divide between leadership strategies and employee expectations, raising questions about the long-term costs of rigid return-to-office enforcement.

https://fortune.com/2025/09/30/bosses-admit-return-to-office-mandates-meant-to-make-staff-quit/

Employee survey results woke him up

Wells Fargo renews major East Bay office lease while downsizing in headquarters city of San Francisco

https://archive.is/uOXND

While Wells Fargo & Co. has significantly scaled back its presence in San Francisco, raising questions about the city's future as its headquarters, the bank is recommitting to office space in the East Bay.
Wells Fargo inked a lease renewal for 257,000 square feet of space across the two-building Concord Tech Center, according to a source familiar with the deal. The lease renewal marks likely the largest office lease deal in the East Bay signed so far this year, as many large companies have shrunk and vacated their back office space in suburban Bay Area markets in recent years.
This news arrives after Wells Fargo reduced its San Francisco office footprint to less than half of its prepandemic scale, and listed its 409,000-square-foot headquarters for sale last December, fueling speculation that the bank might relocate its headquarters out of California to Texas. The bank recently opened its sparkling new $455 million campus in the Dallas suburbs that some have viewed as a future headquarters for the company.
Wells Fargo declined to comment for this article. A Wells Fargo spokesperson told the Business Times last December the bank’s corporate headquarters remains in San Francisco, and that they had “no plans to move it out of the city.”
The Concord Tech Center space is Wells Fargo’s flagship East Bay campus. The company’s total footprint in Concord will be 307,000 square feet, as it occupies an additional 50,000 square feet in a lease set to expire in 2028. The deal that closed Friday was a slight reduction in space, downsizing from 335,000 square feet. The bank will now occupy all of 1755 Grant St. and three floors of 1655 Grant St. in a five-year lease renewal.
Concord’s office market took a big hit in 2023 when Bank of America exited its roughly 300,000-square-foot lease at 2000 Clayton Rd. That building was part of a four-building campus that the bank built in the 1980s, which it later sold to Swift Real Estate Partners in 2011.
Bank of America’s downsizing left Wells Fargo as the city’s largest tenant. Concord’s office market is feeling the challenges of the postpandemic shift and slower leasing activity, with office vacancy in Concord reaching 31.4% in the second quarter, higher than the regional average of 21.3%, data from real estate services firm CBRE shows.
“They are the biggest occupant of office space in all of Concord… for the health of that submarket and I’m sure the Concord job market in general, it’s a really big deal,” JLL's Trent Barmby said. “To have Wells make a recommitment … sends a loud message that they’re committed to the Bay Area and the East Bay.”
Barmby and Kevin Mechelke represented Wells Fargo in the lease deal, Newmark represented the landlord.
This news follows several large office tenants in the suburban East Bay market slashing space or leaving the market altogether. Chevron in July listed its entire 400,000-square-foot office space in Bishop Ranch for sublease, after it announced August 2024 plans to move its headquarters to Houston.
In April, BMO Bank downsized from a 276,000-square-foot lease at Bishop Ranch to 30,000 square feet. Last December, Robert Half shrunk its footprint at Bishop Ranch from 250,000 square feet down to a 73,000-square-foot space.
San Francisco-based Redco is currently under contract to acquire Wells Fargo’s former headquarters at 420 Montgomery St., after a deal to sell the building to a residential developer fell through.

We have to report to the office 2 weeks out of the month? I am hearing this is very possible.

so travel banned again to give money back. Sales are not good for Foods. Also a source has given me the heads up that all have to start to come in the office 4 days a week now except Global roles ie the R&D teams!

My husband works for wells and we discussed what would happen if everyone showed up everyday for a couple weeks. Based on capacity and availability over a third will not have seats. At which point wells is no longer providing the tools or equipment to effectively do your job and balance the in office key strokes required. Just a thought.

Some of my team lives in North Carolina, California, Florida… what happens to us? We’re really confused as it would not be feasible to move.

Do we get to pick a cube anywhere in the building? This is almost as exciting as deciding where to park all my brand new cars. Oh wait.

Now that we know we are getting Friday, January 2nd as a holiday, this might be a sign that we will be expected to come to the office 4 or all 5 days a week in 2026.

Then again, they might be doing it to take away another WFH day. It was either between January 2nd, Christmas Eve 2026 (Thursday), or giving us two floating holidays.

If they are making us come into the office more in 2026, then I could see why they would want to give off on Friday the 2nd.

I think the CEO will use the company’s poor performance as punishment to make us come in more.

Stay tuned….

The office is about to be the most depressing place. More depressing than it already is.

Upcoming company policy will dictate that SVP and above must be tied to, and regularly go into talent center offices. I.e Jacksonville, London etc. Policy is part of the Return to Office mandate company wide. If you own high end property in JAX now is the time to sell!

How is this going to be enforced? It appears that only certain departments complied to the 3:2.

.... if RTO == "Really Tempting Offer" to work somewhere else! XD

For those that have a RTO order and continued to WFH, have you faced any consequences?

Anyone know?

Genuine question - Does anyone even find themselves productive in the office? Not here to rant - actually just genuinely curious. My in office days are filled with trying to tune out an outrageous amount of noise and side chatter about sports, etc. (people playing mini golf in the aisles, solving puzzles). How is that collaborative when it comes to a work environment? I have to struggle to tune out the insane amount of noise and random people coming up to my desk to talk in order to actually get my job done properly. I get ten times the amount of work done at home. So frustrating.

We are far removed from the days of the Great Resignation. Anyone trying to change jobs these days can tell you endless horror stories about the current job market. If attrition is slowing and Shart thinks he can juice the stats with this 8 hours a day thing, I think he's in for a rude awakening. There are diminishing returns on making your employees' lives miserable, eventually you're just beating on a long dead mule for no reason. Sooner or later the C-suite is going to have to man up and get with the voluntary buyouts or mass layoffs

How does the hour tracking even work? In Minneapolis there’s a “site leader event” outside so does that mean if we attend then we need to stay longer since we are leaving the building ?? Or is it just based on your last active timestamp? This RTO tracking is becoming ridiculous. We are not children!

Increase of days? Same schedule?

How many hours is that exactly? 6,7,8,8.5? Are they trying to keep this vague on purpose?

Hey, forcing people back to push attrition. Using policies that will disproportionately affect older workers and primary caregivers. All while pi----g off in demand people that can leave if they have a chance. What could go wrong? 8 is great.

So far my manager has not set an 8 hour requirement . I am in the office 6 hours but who knows when that will change….

Article from WSJ/Linkedin https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/workplace/return-to-office-workers-fail-3d966807
Possible things would turn around w.r.t RTO.

Are RTO just corporate offices they are looking at or any sales agency/clinic location?

In regards to return to office, if TIAA truly valued their employees, they would be willing to work with them to come up with solutions for remote/flex/return to office profiles rather than sticking everyone in the same box and saying one way works for everyone. About 25 years ago Google pretty much invented the unique office model with free snacks, flex work spaces like pods with bean bag chairs, phone booths, and foosball and billiard tables and for some reason TIAA thinks this is some cool unique idea that will draw people back to the office. As usual, TIAA is about 30 years behind the rest of the world and they will continue to bleed good talent as a result

Things I’ve heard and seen posted on their sites. I’ve definitely heard about the remote workers being laid off if they don’t relocate, and the multiple support center layoffs. I’ve also heard about 2-3 days back to the office, not 5, but I guess we’ll see.

• Removal of FTO
• If you aren’t at Walgreens when bonuses (if we even get them) are paid out in November, you won’t get one.
• Switching to Business Casual, no jeans or sneakers.
• 10/20: Remote Employee town hall informing them to relocate or they will lose their job.
• 10/21: 10% support center workforce reduction
• January: 30% support center workforce reduction
• January: 2-3 days in office but also heard it may go to 5 days in office