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ISP Employees: Emails To Document Your Employment Rights When Involuntarily Terminated

This is general information, not legal advice. Please consult a lawyer. Many employment lawyers will do a free consultation and only charge a fee if they win your case.

If you’re 40 or older and asked to sign a severance agreement that waives age discrimination claims, the Older Workers Benefit Protection Act (OWBPA) requires that you be given enough time to consider it — 21 days for individual separations and 45 days if it’s part of a group layoff. You must also have 7 days after signing to revoke your acceptance. In a group layoff, the company is additionally required to disclose the job titles and ages of employees selected and not selected in the same decisional unit, so you can evaluate whether older workers were disproportionately affected.

If you already accepted and are over 40 you still have 7 days to withdrawal. If the company does not allow for the required review period then you may still have the option for legal recourse.

Below is an email script to use to document important information to protect your rights.

If the company responds with “Please see the FAQs,” acknowledge that you are aware of the FAQs and would like a direct response to your situation in this email.

I acknowledge receipt of the separation notice effective [date]. Before I take any next steps, I would appreciate some clarification.

Specifically, could you please provide:

1.  Whether positions with my current title still exist at the company, or if the role is being eliminated entirely.
2.  An explanation of the criteria used in selecting me for separation.
3.  Any policies or documents that explain how severance eligibility is being handled.
4.  Information about how these decisions are being applied across my department or job group.
5.  Since the notice provides less than 45 days to consider the severance agreement, could you clarify why that timeframe was chosen?

I want to ensure I fully understand the process and my options. Thank you for helping provide this information so I can move forward thoughtfully.


I was let go today.

But I feel relieved. What truly hurts is when companies don’t have a backbone to take the accountability on themselves and put the blame on you. Well, such companies are not a place to work for anyways.


Intuitive Surgical cuts 331 jobs

Medical tech company to lay off over 300 employees at Sunnyvale HQ

Intuitive Surgical cuts 331 jobs at its Sunnyvale HQ, restructuring product line. Shift changes affect assembly technicians and support roles.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2025/08/26/intuitive-surgical-biotech-layoffs-sunnyvale-jobs.html

The Business Journals
Aug/26/2025 08:24 PM
Location: Sunnyvale, California


135 workers / Tucker

Hormel Foods lays off 135 workers at Tucker facility

The company's decision to stop bacon production at the plant is the reason for the layoffs, a company spokesperson said.

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2025/08/26/hormel-foods-lays-off-135-workers-tucker-facility/

Atlanta News First
Aug/27/2025 12:24 AM
Location: Tucker, Georgia


Portland Layoffs

Fred Meyer layoffs hit Portland amid Kroger reorganization

  • Fred Meyer parent company Kroger is cutting 1000 jobs across the country as part of a reorganization strategy that started Aug. 26.

https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2025/08/26/fred-meyer-hq-layoffs-kroger-reorg.html

The Business Journals
Aug/26/2025 09:24 PM


For those who remain

Myself and the rest of my team (except one person, somehow) have been laid off. For those who remain, I offer the same advice I give people when dating – when someone shows you who they really are, listen to them.


eBay TCGPlayer Layoffs Under Investigation

Class action law firm Strauss Borrelli PLLC is investigating eBay for potential WARN Act violations related to recent mass layoff at subsidiary TCGPlayer.

eBay announced the layoff on May 22nd, cutting over 200 jobs at the warehouse in Syracuse, NY and finally bringing an end to the first union in eBay history as authentication operations were moved to a new facility in Kentucky.

https://www.valueaddedresource.net/ebay-tcgplayer-layoffs-warn-act-investigation/


is this normal??

I have been told that the firm will not be sharing any information regarding the # of layoffs, demotions, etc. And neither will divisions. In other words, no one will truly know the full scope of the impact. Is that typical? It angers me that we aren't being told the impact of these changes.

and while we're on this subject..anyone know how many jobs were 'shipped' to India in the past few years?


Tears for what was —-hope for those of you part of the reimagined future

I’m turning over many decades of sweat equity to those of you who will take this firm into the future. I trust you - my friends, colleagues and those I’ve been blessed to lead during my career I trust you to do your best to lead as you were once led… to maintain a sincere focus on client branch and associate centricity. I have a heavy heart today - and have for months You have been handed a cr-p storm to survive and thrive through- And I thank you in advance for all you have and will continue to dedicate to the firm. My LP earnings thank you too. I accepted VSP and will be here for a few months. Whatever the firm expects of me - I know my primary focus will be on being present for my friends and peers. I’m a senior level leader today, however my current role doesn’t exist in the reimagined Jones. I have given so much to the firm - and it’s given so much to me It’s time for me to move on but it still feels surreal I had anticipated retiring from here in the years to come But I now get to reimagine my future - as PP would say “I exercised my agency” to say I’m ‘done’ (along with a few other four letter words) I’d rather get to reimagine my future for myself than continue to be subject to the Russian roulette career development that I have experienced the past several years

My heart and prayers are with all of you tonight I know we are all hurting And yes my prayers are with PP too - no matter how I feel about what’s occurring , she is human too.

In case anyone else needs this tonight —— I am listening to music and the new Mercy Me song just came on “Trust the One” Helped lighten my heart a little. Regardless of your faith - if you listen to the song and think of your personal higher power , maybe it will help this evening

Standing in the midst of tears, grief , fear, sadness for others and a glimmer of hope that more is to come for us all - those of us moving on and those of you left to do the heavy lifting. Life is bigger than EJ Prayers for all of us


Does Oracle pay for your unused vacations

Oracle has unlimited vacation policy on manager discretion. But I noticed managers ensure employee doesn’t take vacations often beyond 2-3 weeks per year. So what happens to those unused vacations on your layoff? Is it wise to take vacations before expected announcements?


Got H1B peer who is not laidoff ? Know your rights

This mainly applies to tech and lower management roles. If you're a U.S. citizen or permanent resident and an H-1B colleague in the same role wasn't laid off, you may be eligible for additional severance or have grounds for legal action due to policy violations.
All you need is your manager's / second line's hierarchical Organization chart screenshot. You can also have some proofs of screenshots from git repositories to prove you have checked in code as same level as the H-1b candidate or performed similar activity as H-1b candidate if management. Ensure you are not laidoff due to your performance ratings.


Layoffs next week?

Is it really happening? Honestly, I hope so. I’m ready to be done with this chapter of my career. That said, I feel for the people who really need their jobs right now. Wishing good luck to all of us.


Music Monday

Since meetings have all been cancelled Monday, and my kids will be in school, I’m going to blast some music and try to stay positive while refreshing / sync my email awaiting an invite/email, and watching for a Teams IM. Maybe I’ll update my play list. Any good theme songs to listen to? I was thinking Hallelujah and Another One Bites the Dust. Perhaps Freedom?! Sigh. In reality this really stinks. I wanted to work here. I did my best. If I am shown the door then you bet I’m gonna hustle…to find a job quickly and help my colleagues impacted find roles too. Bring on the music!


Avaya loyalty is gone and it shows

I got cut during the last round even while hitting all my targets. Management has little say in anything and no one seems to care about employee stability. If you think your job is untouchable, think again. There are plenty of companies out there with leaders who actually guide and respect their staff. It is frustrating to see how much this place has changed.


Question

Are laid-off folks offered a chance to land another role within Oracle in a set time frame? When I was laid off from my previous company last year, I had 60 days to apply for internal openings (spoiler: I didn’t get anything). I’m wondering if Oracle has a similar process or not.


Removed Post is Archived: Predictions for 2025?

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1vN1ICdB
@1vN1ICdB

Title: Predictions for 2025?
Post Text: What's your prediction for 2025? The more unlikely, the more cred if it comes true. Go.

December 3 2025 by Anonymous | 218872 views | 33 reactions (+33/-0) | 41 replies (last 13 days ago) | Reply
Post ID: @OP+1vN1ICdB


## Replies

  1. "tough luck"
    13 days ago by Anonymous | Post ID: @137c+1vN1ICdB

  2. "June 1. Time for a mid-year review of the predictions. Many predictions have potential, but 'Mandatory all day BS indoctrination sessions on the New Frontier propaganda.' seems to be the most accurate, though technically, so far, it was a half day. Also, I believe the $1 billion in buybacks with little for the employees prediction is true. It might even be $3 billion in buybacks."
    June 1 by Anonymous | Post ID: @shv+1vN1ICdB

  3. "MetLife becomes a subsidiary of Prudential."
    March 26 by Anonymous | Post ID: @g6z+1vN1ICdB

  4. "All US Tech positions will be reduced/eliminated and pushed to India. Your job will no longer be necessary."
    March 26 by Anonymous | Post ID: @g4g+1vN1ICdB

  5. "Get rid of pace and the podcasts. This one seems unlikely given links to new podcasts keep appearing on MML."
    March 23 by Anonymous | Post ID: @fqk+1vN1ICdB

  6. "@ekg+1vN1ICdB get used to these compensation numbers at MetLife. My LOB exceeded their business plan in 2024 but fell short in 2023. I got the same low BS numbers both years, with no real explanation. My performance ratings for those years are both 'Successful'... Then update your resume and look for better paying jobs."
    March 16 by Anonymous | Post ID: @eq7+1vN1ICdB

  7. "@ekg+1vN1ICdB reading is fundamental"
    March 15 by Anonymous | Post ID: @em7+1vN1ICdB

  8. "It might be the lowest of the scores, but if you believe the execs, amazingly the scores go up for nearly every category nearly every year. Riiight. Next time, it's gonna go down."
    March 15 by Anonymous | Post ID: @ekg+1vN1ICdB

  9. "@ds4+1vN1ICdB are you new? Compensation is consistently the lowest score on My Voice every single year... Garbage not to be taken seriously."
    March 10 by Anonymous | Post ID: @dx9+1vN1ICdB

  10. "I predict that, unless rigged, some My Voice scores will go down in 2025, especially regarding satisfaction with compensation."
    March 9 by Anonymous | Post ID: @ds4+1vN1ICdB

  11. "Trump comes down hard on Federal contractors that continue to have DEI and ESG programs. MetLife finally sees the light."
    January 22 by Anonymous | Post ID: @78w+1vN1ICdB

  12. "@4aoj+1vN1ICdB you misspelled India."
    January 12 by Anonymous | Post ID: @5ya+1vN1ICdB

  13. "The prediction 'MIM gets sold and 95% of employees get terminated' isn't looking good considering that MIM has bought two other companies. I could see maybe, 'MIM gets spun off as a separate company' as a prediction."
    January 12 by Anonymous | Post ID: @5wq+1vN1ICdB

  14. "@szgx+1vN1ICdB Seriously? I hadn't heard about that. Is that why the execs sport those insulated vests? Turn the heat on, MetLife."
    December 31 by Anonymous | Post ID: @ssbf+1vN1ICdB

  15. "MetLife at 200 Park realizes their electric bill has significantly increased, due to MANY employees needing to use individual space heaters... Met refuses to put the heat on at 200 Park."
    December 31 by "It's an old building" | Post ID: @szgx+1vN1ICdB

  16. "I predict extensive re-organizations company wide, and especially in IT. Happy New Year."
    December 31 by Anonymous | Post ID: @suwk+1vN1ICdB

  17. "MetLife fined for money laundering... CEO moves to Dubai and refuses to return to U.S."
    December 17 by Anonymous | Post ID: @eiih+1vN1ICdB

  18. "Management compiles new cut lists and start writing up targets for Met policies never communicated to employees."
    December 15 by Anonymous | Post ID: @cdfi+1vN1ICdB

  19. "CEO authorizes 10% staggered layoffs from his California home."
    December 9 by Anonymous | Post ID: @6vif+1vN1ICdB

  20. "MIM gets sold and 95% MIM employees terminated."
    December 8 by Anonymous | Post ID: @6crs+1vN1ICdB

  21. "Let's Talk Live becomes less frequent and then stops entirely."
    December 7 by Anonymous | Post ID: @5fdv+1vN1ICdB

  22. "@4wld+1vN1ICdB and a dental plan option that isn't MetLife Dental!"
    December 7 by Anonymous | Post ID: @4kgz+1vN1ICdB

  23. "I predict that in the 2025 Annual Benefits Enrollment, the number of folks picking United Health Care will drop by at least 75%."
    December 7 by Anonymous | Post ID: @4wld+1vN1ICdB

  24. "@4jbk+1vN1ICdB the comments are factual though, so no violations there. Inept AVPs are in fact, inept."
    December 7 by Anonymous | Post ID: @4eof+1vN1ICdB

  25. "HR migration to Asia completed."
    December 6 by Anonymous | Post ID: @4aoj+1vN1ICdB

  26. "HR identifies the names of all Layoff posters and fires them for code of conduct violations. 'Inept AVP' and 'woke' posters are the first to go..."
    December 6 by Moazzaz&Partners | Post ID: @4jbk+1vN1ICdB

  27. "Reduced chances to win a CoPilot license in a lottery because budget is consumed by beefing up protection for executives."
    December 6 by Anonymous | Post ID: @3sft+1vN1ICdB

  28. "Mandatory all day BS indoctrination sessions on the New Frontier propaganda. co pilot communications from the very elusive HR and Marketing tokens."
    December 6 by Anonymous | Post ID: @3cpq+1vN1ICdB

  29. "Class action lawsuit for age discrimination."
    December 5 by Anonymous | Post ID: @3kwz+1vN1ICdB

  30. "Commerical Real Estate investments come home to roost ( on Pappy )."
    December 5 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2mwy+1vN1ICdB

  31. "Sell Australia and Japan businesses. Entire legal department given 90 days to move to Jaipur or lose their jobs..."
    December 5 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2jdb+1vN1ICdB

  32. "6th Floor at 200 Park to also be subleased so the scared C Suite can all WFH safe and sound in their gated mansions. P.S. The 200 Park office 'refresh' is such a joke."
    December 5 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2xgy+1vN1ICdB

  33. "Stock market tear locks in guarantees. A subsequent stock market drop hurts 'the firm.'"
    December 4 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2gzw+1vN1ICdB

  34. "At least $1B in stock buybacks while telling us there's no money for worthwhile raises."
    December 4 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2hau+1vN1ICdB

  35. "EMEA business or parts of it get put up for sale."
    December 4 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1kdu+1vN1ICdB

  36. "Get rid of pace and the podcasts"
    December 4 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1hwc+1vN1ICdB

  37. "To keep IT management busy, replace TCS with another offshore vendor"
    December 3 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1rmy+1vN1ICdB

  38. "CEO fires CEO of the Foundation."
    December 3 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1anz+1vN1ICdB

  39. "CEO announces his, CFO, entire top group is retiring. Board brings in new CEO from India. HQ moves to Mumbai."
    December 3 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1kld+1vN1ICdB

  40. "Inept AVPs here to stay! Our feedback continues to be ignored. More unqualified DEI hires. Cheap raises... 5% stealth layoff in US IT."
    December 3 by Anonymous | Post ID: @hcy+1vN1ICdB


ADP RIF June 24 2025 - Mods removed this thread so it's preserved here

Removed Link: https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jyqg6rar
@OP+1jyqg6rar

# Suddenness and Secrecy of Layoffs
Posters emphasized how the June 24, 2025 layoffs were quiet, poorly communicated, and unsettling for employees left behind.

  • "ADP has started heavy layoffs on June 24, 2025. They have been quiet about this to the point where internal sellers who will be impacted are unaware." ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )
  • "Why is it always such a quiet layoff? There’s never an official email or anything. I’m still on edge because I don’t know if it’s over." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
  • "Anyone know if further layoffs are coming?" ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )
  • "Lost 10 coworkers on our product on the 24th. Second year in a row that there's a big chop." ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )
  • "It seems something cooking for next week or month, I heard from multiple folks." ( Ano, Jul 27, 2025 )
  • "How are you so sure it was a 'very very small reduction'? Did they email you a running tally of all layoffs company wide?" ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
  • "Continuously firing levels below VP, independent contributors, etc. to pinch pennies isn’t going to last forever." ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )

# Offshore Outsourcing and Job Cuts
Many pointed to outsourcing and offshoring as a driving force behind layoffs, often linking it to declining quality and cost-cutting.

  • "Hard working people losing their jobs to less qualified, cheaper labor abroad." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )
  • "Yes, they are sending as much offshore as possible." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
  • "Curious to know if they are outsourcing the roles, hiring more offshore folks?" ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )
  • "When I was at ADP, these offshore associates could do no wrong in ADP Management's eyes... I supervised many of those offshore associates and estimate that they failed to deliver quality work about 80 to 90 percent of the time." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
  • "Who else who have dealt with offshore associates are familiar with 'cab delays'? I know they accounted for HOURS a week- we were lucky if we got a 30 hour work week out of them." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
  • "Our American associates were expected to work 50, 60, 70 hours a week or more. Of course, those overtime hours were uncompensated." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
  • "Off shore folks that actually are enthusiastically putting in a 40 hour work week in the office. Winning!" ( Anonymous, Jun 30, 2025 )

# Employee Frustration and Difficulty of Leaving
Many described being stuck at ADP, unable to easily find new work or fearful of more cuts.

  • "Difficult to leave when it's hard to get another job, even for a quality employee." ( Anonymous, Jul 25, 2025 )
  • "If you have no skills beyond what ADP has taught you, where are you supposed to go?" ( Anonymous, Jun 29, 2025 )
  • "Wow! I didn't know that ADP over bloated their staffing. From my experience, we were constantly understaffed and under pressure all the time." ( Anonymous, Jun 30, 2025 )
  • "Knowledge is indeed power. During my tenure at ADP, I noticed that management liked to keep everyone scared, thinking that scared employees are productive employees." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
  • "Not comical but sad, most everyone bashes ADP yet doesn’t leave. Isn’t that odd?" ( Anonymous, Jul 25, 2025 )
  • "If employees were satisfied and relaxed then they would not be under any pressure to perform. So harum scarum stuff was always going on, from rumors about layoffs, office moves, and other disruptive situations." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )

# Culture of Fear and Distrust
Some noted a toxic environment where management kept employees insecure to push performance.

  • "Keep those of you still standing d-mb and scared. Which is of course such last century thinking. Maria is terrible... She's just doing this as insurance policy on her bonus." ( goskiprope, Jun 27, 2025 )
  • "Even printouts that were 'accidentally' left on the printer which caused consternation to people that would find them... Disgusting but part of ADP life." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
  • "ADP loved to save money on labor costs by overworking their employees." ( Anonymous, Jun 30, 2025 )

# Divisive Attitudes Toward Laid-Off Workers
Posters were divided between sympathy for workers and mockery, with insults and dismissals surfacing often.

  • "Qualified competent people will always find employment. The opposite is also true." ( Anonymous, Jul 25, 2025 )
  • "Competent people can find work anywhere. Wow, just wow." ( Anonymous, Jul 23, 2025 )
  • "They are losers when they can't perform. Just the facts." ( Anonymous, Jul 3, 2025 )
  • "Lol! Love the 'competition abroad'! The only way they can compete is by receiving substandard wages. In every other way they are losers." ( Anonymous, Jul 3, 2025 )
  • "Seems you’re jealous of the competition abroad. Us VERPS accepted you clowns, why can’t you accept them?" ( Anonymous, Jul 3, 2025 )

# Accusations of Shilling and Defensiveness
Several users accused others of being ADP defenders or “shills,” especially when layoffs were minimized or praised.

  • "The only ridicule and insults that I see are from people that don't want anything bad said about ADP. Ridicule and insults = ADP shills." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )
  • "You are an ADP shill who won't tolerate anything bad said about this company. Well, a lot of us have stories to tell of our experiences and we can't be stopped by insults and ridicule." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )
  • "People will post anything they want about ADP here. No one here can stop them or do anything about that except complain." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )
  • "Please tell folks to only communicate layoffs and refrain from the company bashing. Warm regards." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )

# Leadership and Executive Compensation
Anger was directed at executives, particularly CEO Maria Black, for receiving millions while employees faced cuts.

  • "But it helped make Maria MILLIONS and a pension and a private plane… but congrats- you got early retirement. Cha Ching." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
  • "Maria’s salary is public in case you’d like to google it." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
  • "https://bullfincher.io/companies/automatic-data-processing/ceo-salary" ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
  • "Maria is terrible... She's just doing this as insurance policy on her bonus." ( goskiprope, Jun 27, 2025 )

# Personal Experiences and Reflections
Some shared their history at ADP, including voluntary retirement or long-term frustrations.

  • "I VERPed in 2018 ( wow, has it been that long? )... The biggest reason... ADP did massive layoffs during the last week of June, during which my birthday fell. Happy friggin' birthday. Now we're gonna throw a percentage of your friends and colleagues into the dumpster. Maybe you. Good riddance, ADP." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
  • "It’s great you were able to take early retirement- honestly, congratulations... But the people who helped you are losing their jobs and being forced to train the cheaper labor abroad." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
  • "Writing as VERP who was planning on leaving that year anyways due to financial ability I feel that Maria and Carlos before her is doing a WONDERFUL job. Stock over $300. Too many help-rejecting complainers on here. Sincerely, Cha-Ching." ( Anonymous, Jun 28, 2025 )

# Uncommon Opinions and Perspectives
A minority defended ADP or minimized the layoffs, often in sharp contrast to the majority sentiment.

  • "Pretty light on the layoffs. Me thinks a LOT of folks here owe ADP an apology." ( Anonymous, Jul 14, 2025 )
  • "Excellent news! Thanks for sharing. Have a great day!" ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
  • "ADP is an awesome company to work for! Best regards." ( Anonymous, Jul 27, 2025 )
  • "Not comical but sad, most everyone bashes ADP yet doesn’t leave. Isn’t that odd?" ( Anonymous, Jul 25, 2025 )