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BD's trendin'

https://x.com/TheLayoff/status/1978945558980022482

But hey, poor shareholders….

What do all think of this forum?

Anything good?

Any IT folks here?
How do i ensure i am anonimous.

Serious question - what are the top actionable items folks on this forum would like to see from AT&T Leadership? We know they read this stuff so maybe use this as another opportunity to communicate to them in a constructive way and originated by employees.

Suggestions:

1. Maybe leave off the obvious hot divisive ones that has gotten so much air play here and have such conflicting views (RTO vs WFH, DEI, etc) so the discussion doesn’t devolve to name calling.

2. Would be interesting if replies could be tagged as Union vs Mgmt since they may differ materially.

3. Be serious and try to refrain from mudslinging (I.e., - don’t reply if you’re not game).

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Now we know who the real trolls were.

I've been following the discussions here closely and noticed some concerning comments about moderators, allegedly connected to Citi removing truthful posts from this site. If these claims are true, it's a serious attempt to suppress the truth.
My advice is to protect yourself and the information you're sharing. Take screenshots of your posts before they potentially disappear. Save everything as evidence.
If you're comfortable, consider taking further action. Anonymously send these screenshots to a major news reporter or investigative journalist. Exposing this kind of alleged corruption publicly could hold Citi accountable for their actions and reveal the truth about what's really happening.

Several of you confirmed the 3:00 MDT Employee Forum invites went out. Can anyone who attended share what was actually said in the meeting and what the outcome was?

All Imperial employees invited to a 3pm forum.

I see that it’s now the Client Conference and it’s in Vegas. Is this the first time in Vegas? Doesn’t matter. It’s never coming back.

Have observed they delete comments or posts that present the ugly truth. Then the question becomes is this a paid board to spy on current and or former employees? Why delete the post/comments that highlight the truth.

The Optum board is always busier than UHC. Most of OT is outsourced, too, but is thelayoff . com geofenced for UHC contractors in India/Philippines?

Live thread for the real questions and comments

Could be wrong but, I come here often and read the majority of the posts/comments and it seems like the vast majority of people are in 1 of 3 areas. ISG, CSG or some type of Sales position. Being in IT, I'm not fluent in acronyms outside of my realm so,

I'm assuming ISG = Inside sales group, CSG= Channel Sales group, and then... general sales people like AE's, AMs, TSE, etc...

Where are the IT people at in here? (minus tech support. You don't count as IT, sorry.)

Life is too short to carry the blackness. If you are feeling this way all the time about work, I would suggest you take a good long look at yourself and decide what you want to do.

Sometimes the harder thing is to walk away and start over somewhere else, but it would be the best thing for your soul.

This site used to have good information related to coming layoffs. Now all it seems to have is people complaining about upper management and/RTO. Sadly, the site is becoming more irrelevant as time passes.
So I will try one more time. Does anyone have any REAL intell on coming layoffs?

Who is removing messages?

How do you backtrace someone on here and get their IP address?

There's a lot of baiting posts these last two days. Don't let these bad actors dilute the real conversation and situational reporting happening. Down vote them into oblivion. Don't respond to them on their posts or let them derail other, functional threads. It's pathetic that they strive for attention here, where people are hurting. Don't give them air.

“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

Take a look at some of the other companies on here. Very few experience this level of disgust from their workers! I don’t even work for IBM but was thinking of applying for a position and this board has convinced me not to bother. Is it REALLY that bad?

There was a post about the toxic environment at DIRECTV with Cyn and Steve. I never worked for them but why was this removed? It’s not just them that bully and retaliate. This is common in many groups from marketing to IT so why remove it?

Welp, here we are. Today (and tomorrow) is the day.

Feel free to share your experience, vent, etc. as we get Reimagined.

what’s up the layoff.com why are
you censoring posts unfavorable to Oxy now? did they pay you off?

Reddit, facebook, youtube, tiktok, those are all places that someone popping and going “oh it is not that bad” makes sense. But why here?

This is not a commonly known social media site. You have to look to find it. And the vast majority of us here are scared or mad or both. Why would someone who feels like everything is going just fine and we need to just relax take the time to come here and comment on all these posts?

Are they bots? Trolls? Associates whose job it is to manage the narrative and image? What do they hope to accomplish? Make all of us realize that even though we may lose our livelihood and belief in the company we have devoted so much life to, that really it is no big deal? Or divide us up and make us feel even more alone?

Whoever you are, you have every right to your opinion, but your “copy of a copy” phrases will not change anyone here. We are united in the trauma of this layoff. You can’t change that.

So why doesn't Lexmark post anything on Layoff
Maybe it's all good

Posted about a VEV rumor, was deleted...must have been true...did
not post names, just initials...site sensors hard at work.

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1vN1ICdB
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Title: Predictions for 2025?
Post Text: What's your prediction for 2025? The more unlikely, the more cred if it comes true. Go.

December 3 2025 by Anonymous | 218872 views | 33 reactions (+33/-0) | 41 replies (last 13 days ago) | Reply
Post ID: @OP+1vN1ICdB

## Replies

1. "tough luck"
   13 days ago by Anonymous | Post ID: @137c+1vN1ICdB

2. "June 1. Time for a mid-year review of the predictions. Many predictions have potential, but 'Mandatory all day BS indoctrination sessions on the New Frontier propaganda.' seems to be the most accurate, though technically, so far, it was a half day. Also, I believe the $1 billion in buybacks with little for the employees prediction is true. It might even be $3 billion in buybacks."
   June 1 by Anonymous | Post ID: @shv+1vN1ICdB

3. "MetLife becomes a subsidiary of Prudential."
   March 26 by Anonymous | Post ID: @g6z+1vN1ICdB

4. "All US Tech positions will be reduced/eliminated and pushed to India. Your job will no longer be necessary."
   March 26 by Anonymous | Post ID: @g4g+1vN1ICdB

5. "Get rid of pace and the podcasts. This one seems unlikely given links to new podcasts keep appearing on MML."
   March 23 by Anonymous | Post ID: @fqk+1vN1ICdB

6. "@ekg+1vN1ICdB get used to these compensation numbers at MetLife. My LOB exceeded their business plan in 2024 but fell short in 2023. I got the same low BS numbers both years, with no real explanation. My performance ratings for those years are both 'Successful'... Then update your resume and look for better paying jobs."
   March 16 by Anonymous | Post ID: @eq7+1vN1ICdB

7. "@ekg+1vN1ICdB reading is fundamental"
   March 15 by Anonymous | Post ID: @em7+1vN1ICdB

8. "It might be the lowest of the scores, but if you believe the execs, amazingly the scores go up for nearly every category nearly every year. Riiight. Next time, it's gonna go down."
   March 15 by Anonymous | Post ID: @ekg+1vN1ICdB

9. "@ds4+1vN1ICdB are you new? Compensation is consistently the lowest score on My Voice every single year... Garbage not to be taken seriously."
   March 10 by Anonymous | Post ID: @dx9+1vN1ICdB

10. "I predict that, unless rigged, some My Voice scores will go down in 2025, especially regarding satisfaction with compensation."
    March 9 by Anonymous | Post ID: @ds4+1vN1ICdB

11. "Trump comes down hard on Federal contractors that continue to have DEI and ESG programs. MetLife finally sees the light."
    January 22 by Anonymous | Post ID: @78w+1vN1ICdB

12. "@4aoj+1vN1ICdB you misspelled India."
    January 12 by Anonymous | Post ID: @5ya+1vN1ICdB

13. "The prediction 'MIM gets sold and 95% of employees get terminated' isn't looking good considering that MIM has bought two other companies. I could see maybe, 'MIM gets spun off as a separate company' as a prediction."
    January 12 by Anonymous | Post ID: @5wq+1vN1ICdB

14. "@szgx+1vN1ICdB Seriously? I hadn't heard about that. Is that why the execs sport those insulated vests? Turn the heat on, MetLife."
    December 31 by Anonymous | Post ID: @ssbf+1vN1ICdB

15. "MetLife at 200 Park realizes their electric bill has significantly increased, due to MANY employees needing to use individual space heaters... Met refuses to put the heat on at 200 Park."
    December 31 by "It's an old building" | Post ID: @szgx+1vN1ICdB

16. "I predict extensive re-organizations company wide, and especially in IT. Happy New Year."
    December 31 by Anonymous | Post ID: @suwk+1vN1ICdB

17. "MetLife fined for money laundering... CEO moves to Dubai and refuses to return to U.S."
    December 17 by Anonymous | Post ID: @eiih+1vN1ICdB

18. "Management compiles new cut lists and start writing up targets for Met policies never communicated to employees."
    December 15 by Anonymous | Post ID: @cdfi+1vN1ICdB

19. "CEO authorizes 10% staggered layoffs from his California home."
    December 9 by Anonymous | Post ID: @6vif+1vN1ICdB

20. "MIM gets sold and 95% MIM employees terminated."
    December 8 by Anonymous | Post ID: @6crs+1vN1ICdB

21. "Let's Talk Live becomes less frequent and then stops entirely."
    December 7 by Anonymous | Post ID: @5fdv+1vN1ICdB

22. "@4wld+1vN1ICdB and a dental plan option that isn't MetLife Dental!"
    December 7 by Anonymous | Post ID: @4kgz+1vN1ICdB

23. "I predict that in the 2025 Annual Benefits Enrollment, the number of folks picking United Health Care will drop by at least 75%."
    December 7 by Anonymous | Post ID: @4wld+1vN1ICdB

24. "@4jbk+1vN1ICdB the comments are factual though, so no violations there. Inept AVPs are in fact, inept."
    December 7 by Anonymous | Post ID: @4eof+1vN1ICdB

25. "HR migration to Asia completed."
    December 6 by Anonymous | Post ID: @4aoj+1vN1ICdB

26. "HR identifies the names of all Layoff posters and fires them for code of conduct violations. 'Inept AVP' and 'woke' posters are the first to go..."
    December 6 by Moazzaz&Partners | Post ID: @4jbk+1vN1ICdB

27. "Reduced chances to win a CoPilot license in a lottery because budget is consumed by beefing up protection for executives."
    December 6 by Anonymous | Post ID: @3sft+1vN1ICdB

28. "Mandatory all day BS indoctrination sessions on the New Frontier propaganda. co pilot communications from the very elusive HR and Marketing tokens."
    December 6 by Anonymous | Post ID: @3cpq+1vN1ICdB

29. "Class action lawsuit for age discrimination."
    December 5 by Anonymous | Post ID: @3kwz+1vN1ICdB

30. "Commerical Real Estate investments come home to roost ( on Pappy )."
    December 5 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2mwy+1vN1ICdB

31. "Sell Australia and Japan businesses. Entire legal department given 90 days to move to Jaipur or lose their jobs..."
    December 5 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2jdb+1vN1ICdB

32. "6th Floor at 200 Park to also be subleased so the scared C Suite can all WFH safe and sound in their gated mansions. P.S. The 200 Park office 'refresh' is such a joke."
    December 5 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2xgy+1vN1ICdB

33. "Stock market tear locks in guarantees. A subsequent stock market drop hurts 'the firm.'"
    December 4 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2gzw+1vN1ICdB

34. "At least $1B in stock buybacks while telling us there's no money for worthwhile raises."
    December 4 by Anonymous | Post ID: @2hau+1vN1ICdB

35. "EMEA business or parts of it get put up for sale."
    December 4 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1kdu+1vN1ICdB

36. "Get rid of pace and the podcasts"
    December 4 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1hwc+1vN1ICdB

37. "To keep IT management busy, replace TCS with another offshore vendor"
    December 3 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1rmy+1vN1ICdB

38. "CEO fires CEO of the Foundation."
    December 3 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1anz+1vN1ICdB

39. "CEO announces his, CFO, entire top group is retiring. Board brings in new CEO from India. HQ moves to Mumbai."
    December 3 by Anonymous | Post ID: @1kld+1vN1ICdB

40. "Inept AVPs here to stay! Our feedback continues to be ignored. More unqualified DEI hires. Cheap raises... 5% stealth layoff in US IT."
    December 3 by Anonymous | Post ID: @hcy+1vN1ICdB

Removed Link: https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jyqg6rar
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# Suddenness and Secrecy of Layoffs
Posters emphasized how the June 24, 2025 layoffs were quiet, poorly communicated, and unsettling for employees left behind.

• "ADP has started heavy layoffs on June 24, 2025. They have been quiet about this to the point where internal sellers who will be impacted are unaware." ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )
• "Why is it always such a quiet layoff? There’s never an official email or anything. I’m still on edge because I don’t know if it’s over." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
• "Anyone know if further layoffs are coming?" ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )
• "Lost 10 coworkers on our product on the 24th. Second year in a row that there's a big chop." ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )
• "It seems something cooking for next week or month, I heard from multiple folks." ( Ano, Jul 27, 2025 )
• "How are you so sure it was a 'very very small reduction'? Did they email you a running tally of all layoffs company wide?" ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
• "Continuously firing levels below VP, independent contributors, etc. to pinch pennies isn’t going to last forever." ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )

# Offshore Outsourcing and Job Cuts
Many pointed to outsourcing and offshoring as a driving force behind layoffs, often linking it to declining quality and cost-cutting.

• "Hard working people losing their jobs to less qualified, cheaper labor abroad." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )
• "Yes, they are sending as much offshore as possible." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
• "Curious to know if they are outsourcing the roles, hiring more offshore folks?" ( Anonymous, Jun 26, 2025 )
• "When I was at ADP, these offshore associates could do no wrong in ADP Management's eyes... I supervised many of those offshore associates and estimate that they failed to deliver quality work about 80 to 90 percent of the time." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
• "Who else who have dealt with offshore associates are familiar with 'cab delays'? I know they accounted for HOURS a week- we were lucky if we got a 30 hour work week out of them." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
• "Our American associates were expected to work 50, 60, 70 hours a week or more. Of course, those overtime hours were uncompensated." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
• "Off shore folks that actually are enthusiastically putting in a 40 hour work week in the office. Winning!" ( Anonymous, Jun 30, 2025 )

# Employee Frustration and Difficulty of Leaving
Many described being stuck at ADP, unable to easily find new work or fearful of more cuts.

• "Difficult to leave when it's hard to get another job, even for a quality employee." ( Anonymous, Jul 25, 2025 )
• "If you have no skills beyond what ADP has taught you, where are you supposed to go?" ( Anonymous, Jun 29, 2025 )
• "Wow! I didn't know that ADP over bloated their staffing. From my experience, we were constantly understaffed and under pressure all the time." ( Anonymous, Jun 30, 2025 )
• "Knowledge is indeed power. During my tenure at ADP, I noticed that management liked to keep everyone scared, thinking that scared employees are productive employees." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
• "Not comical but sad, most everyone bashes ADP yet doesn’t leave. Isn’t that odd?" ( Anonymous, Jul 25, 2025 )
• "If employees were satisfied and relaxed then they would not be under any pressure to perform. So harum scarum stuff was always going on, from rumors about layoffs, office moves, and other disruptive situations." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )

# Culture of Fear and Distrust
Some noted a toxic environment where management kept employees insecure to push performance.

• "Keep those of you still standing d-mb and scared. Which is of course such last century thinking. Maria is terrible... She's just doing this as insurance policy on her bonus." ( goskiprope, Jun 27, 2025 )
• "Even printouts that were 'accidentally' left on the printer which caused consternation to people that would find them... Disgusting but part of ADP life." ( Anonymous, Jun 27, 2025 )
• "ADP loved to save money on labor costs by overworking their employees." ( Anonymous, Jun 30, 2025 )

# Divisive Attitudes Toward Laid-Off Workers
Posters were divided between sympathy for workers and mockery, with insults and dismissals surfacing often.

• "Qualified competent people will always find employment. The opposite is also true." ( Anonymous, Jul 25, 2025 )
• "Competent people can find work anywhere. Wow, just wow." ( Anonymous, Jul 23, 2025 )
• "They are losers when they can't perform. Just the facts." ( Anonymous, Jul 3, 2025 )
• "Lol! Love the 'competition abroad'! The only way they can compete is by receiving substandard wages. In every other way they are losers." ( Anonymous, Jul 3, 2025 )
• "Seems you’re jealous of the competition abroad. Us VERPS accepted you clowns, why can’t you accept them?" ( Anonymous, Jul 3, 2025 )

# Accusations of Shilling and Defensiveness
Several users accused others of being ADP defenders or “shills,” especially when layoffs were minimized or praised.

• "The only ridicule and insults that I see are from people that don't want anything bad said about ADP. Ridicule and insults = ADP shills." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )
• "You are an ADP shill who won't tolerate anything bad said about this company. Well, a lot of us have stories to tell of our experiences and we can't be stopped by insults and ridicule." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )
• "People will post anything they want about ADP here. No one here can stop them or do anything about that except complain." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )
• "Please tell folks to only communicate layoffs and refrain from the company bashing. Warm regards." ( Anonymous, Jul 4, 2025 )

# Leadership and Executive Compensation
Anger was directed at executives, particularly CEO Maria Black, for receiving millions while employees faced cuts.

• "But it helped make Maria MILLIONS and a pension and a private plane… but congrats- you got early retirement. Cha Ching." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
• "Maria’s salary is public in case you’d like to google it." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
• "https://bullfincher.io/companies/automatic-data-processing/ceo-salary" ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
• "Maria is terrible... She's just doing this as insurance policy on her bonus." ( goskiprope, Jun 27, 2025 )

# Personal Experiences and Reflections
Some shared their history at ADP, including voluntary retirement or long-term frustrations.

• "I VERPed in 2018 ( wow, has it been that long? )... The biggest reason... ADP did massive layoffs during the last week of June, during which my birthday fell. Happy friggin' birthday. Now we're gonna throw a percentage of your friends and colleagues into the dumpster. Maybe you. Good riddance, ADP." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
• "It’s great you were able to take early retirement- honestly, congratulations... But the people who helped you are losing their jobs and being forced to train the cheaper labor abroad." ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
• "Writing as VERP who was planning on leaving that year anyways due to financial ability I feel that Maria and Carlos before her is doing a WONDERFUL job. Stock over $300. Too many help-rejecting complainers on here. Sincerely, Cha-Ching." ( Anonymous, Jun 28, 2025 )

# Uncommon Opinions and Perspectives
A minority defended ADP or minimized the layoffs, often in sharp contrast to the majority sentiment.

• "Pretty light on the layoffs. Me thinks a LOT of folks here owe ADP an apology." ( Anonymous, Jul 14, 2025 )
• "Excellent news! Thanks for sharing. Have a great day!" ( Anonymous, Jul 2, 2025 )
• "ADP is an awesome company to work for! Best regards." ( Anonymous, Jul 27, 2025 )
• "Not comical but sad, most everyone bashes ADP yet doesn’t leave. Isn’t that odd?" ( Anonymous, Jul 25, 2025 )

Why do I see posts on this site and then a few days later only be taken down and disappear?? I saw a post earlier about someone complaining taking kickbacks .. came here to see again and it’s gone. Is dell monitoring and deleting posts ?

Wondering if anyone who has posted on here have had their post come back to haunt them? Have questions but don't want to ask them if it could come back to me...

EMEA Decline - https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jnx8bw94

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