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Trump on #H1B Visas

Trump was explicit on #H1B last night in Detroit - here is the transcript with his remarks on the issue:

KELLY: Mr. Trump, your campaign website to this day argues that more visas for highly skilled workers would, quote, "decimate American workers". However, at the CNBC debate, you spoke enthusiastically in favor of these visas. So, which is it?

TRUMP: I'm changing. I'm changing. We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can't do it, we'll get them in. But, and we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have.

So, we do need highly skilled, and one of the biggest problems we have is people go to the best colleges. They'll go to Harvard, they'll go to Stanford, they'll go to Wharton, as soon as they're finished they'll get shoved out. They want to stay in this country. They want to stay here desperately, they're not able to stay here. For that purpose, we absolutely have to be able to keep the brain power in this country.

(APPLAUSE)

KELLY: So you abandoning the position on your website...

TRUMP: ... I'm changing it, and I'm softening the position because we have to have talented people in this country.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/03/the-fox-news-gop-debate-transcript-annotated/

Trump was explicit on #H1B last night in Detroit - here is the transcript:

KELLY: Mr. Trump, your campaign website to this day argues that more visas for highly skilled workers would, quote, "decimate American workers". However, at the CNBC debate, you spoke enthusiastically in favor of these visas. So, which is it?

TRUMP: I'm changing. I'm changing. We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can't do it, we'll get them in. But, and we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have.

So, we do need highly skilled, and one of the biggest problems we have is people go to the best colleges. They'll go to Harvard, they'll go to Stanford, they'll go to Wharton, as soon as they're finished they'll get shoved out. They want to stay in this country. They want to stay here desperately, they're not able to stay here. For that purpose, we absolutely have to be able to keep the brain power in this country.

(APPLAUSE)

KELLY: So you abandoning the position on your website...

TRUMP: ... I'm changing it, and I'm softening the position because we have to have talented people in this country.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/03/the-fox-news-gop-debate-transcript-annotated/

This is from Qualcomm's page here: Post ID: @FlBD4hi-1uic

Disney is the worst of them all - they have a corp office in Orlando, very close to the park, it's on Celebration way - it's like an IT factory, they've built it recently. The carnage is taking place there, not in the park. They are working with a ton of outsourcing companies and laying people off. So for example, they would work with Accenture, and let's say you work for 50 bucks/hr - Accenture tells them, hey I will replace that guy for 30 bucks/hr. But the issue is they cannot find anyone who will do it for 30, so they go to Accenture India and they bring someone from there to work on-shore in Orlando here. So, accenture pays the guy 20 bucks and they pocket 10. The guy is totally underpaid in US terms, but in Indian terms he just doubled his salary.

So you have armies of folks like that who come through Infosys, TATA, Accenture, Deloitte, it's the same concept - the consulting companies have relationships in IT departments, they walk around and look what parts of business they can take, and they pitch low cost resources - it works most of time.

This has nothing to do with 'best and brightest" concept that #H1B was to cover - this is pure labor arbitrage where the outsourcing companies are making a ton of money by f---ing American workers.

All management at the target company knows about this, they are part of this scam as well.

Finally, here is the kicker - the visa application process is expensive and cumbersome (I think it's over 1000 bucks to apply). Also, if you apply you have about 10% chance of being accepted. So, what Infosys (and other) does is compensating the cost - so they will make let's say 10,000 applications, they pay ten million for that but they will manage to get only 1,000 people a visa - it's still good for them as they make 30K per resource a year, the average tenure on a contract is three years. So on each person they make 90K in three years, so on 10 million invested, they get 90 million in outsourcing revenue - this stuff is pure margin for them (let's say 80% margin as overhead is minimal).

So, if you look at the stats with TATA, Infosys, WIPRO, etc. bring in 3K every year, there is ton of money in this game - this is HIGHLY profitable for them, as contracts are long term and they go so deep in that the client have very difficult time getting rid of the folks who get hired.

I hope this helps...

One of the key reasons you lost your job is that every year 100,000 IT resources are imported at low rates via #H1B visa system. The system is designed to bring in the best and the brightest of the world, in reality, they are bringing in low to medium skilled workers and they are paying them 50% of what the market would bear here.

For example, companies like Tata, Wipro, Accenture and IBM will bring in a testing engineer at $60K/year and replace a $100K/year domestic testing engineer. The vast majority of H1B folks are brought in to work at low and med level jobs - has nothing to do with talent, it's all about compensation. Once they are in, they are stuck at $60K (legal minimum) for about 5 years and they cannot move companies as they would lose the visa sponsor.

So, do your math, and figure out how many Indians were imported at 50% of regular wage since late 90s - what's that, probably 20 years of imports, at 50K to 100K resources a year, you see where I am going with this.

Trump was strongly opposing this scam, however he flip-flopped on it last night and did a full 180 on the issue. In addition, really, this has nothing to do with the president as it'll have to clear the Capitol, and I am not sure if that would ever happen.

Also, keep in mind, Trump's rhetoric about tariffs is a zero sum game - while we have a large deficit, it's only a few percent of our international trade - so, if you start with tariffs you basically shut down international trade which is great as we will not be importing shirts from China and we'll start making them in Yuma, AZ. But on the other hand, China will also stop buying Cummins engines, Boeing Airplanes, IBM Consulting, etc. So, now we are all fair and square, and they do not f--- us anymore, but now we are both f---ed and shipped back to our lovely economic medieval swamps.

I'd rather have a status quo even though I hate everything about it - going Trump is a suicidal experiment...

The anchor has no clue what he talks about

Former Disney Employees

Former Disney Employees Speak Out About Outsourcing Of High-Tech Jobs Through The #H1B Visa Program: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAHtNQo3eog

What are you basing that 75% #H1B number on?

Got layed off in 2009 within Data Protection Tech Marketing group at corporate, actually met the current President while he was a consultant for an outside firm and he told me he may become the CEO of NetApp.

I have been in High Tech for way to many years and always enjoyed NetApp. I just started doing some NetApp work again for a firm. I just am happy to have a job as a middle class engineer, however I read an article about 75% of Silicon Valley Tech workers are foreign i.e. H1B visa. It is bogus for corporations to say they need more when these lays offs happen so often!!!!!! People are the greater assets then Wall Street. So be carefull what you wish for CEO's

Massive Outsourcing Move

Now, we have 180 folks gone, and Wipro will be taking over, they will for sure load the staff with super cheap #H1B visa holder, indentured servants who just work and ask no questions. Perforect. We were told about the cuts on Feb. 22 the last day on payroll will be April 22 2016. Way to go!

Fire American workers

American Express went downhill fast when their motto was fire American workers and force them to train their #H1B replacements or Indian outsourced workers in order to get severance.

Year after year until their quality was below Capital One. No matter how many JDPOWER awards they buy. You put lipstick on a turd it still a turd.

Here is a quick summary of the severance guidelines (link below) - most people here will give you info that they have - which is in many cases outdated.

Ginni changed the rules as they prep to lay off more folks and they simply do not care about workforce any more - IT is being #commoditized and there always a brand new and super-cheap #H1B waiting to foll your shoes...

Anyhow, there is the link: http://www.zdnet.com/article/ibm-alters-severance-terms/

#H1B Game Over

The Senate Subcommittee on Immigration will hold a hearing Thursday on "The Impact of High-Skilled Immigration on U.S. Workers." Its first witness will be an IT worker who trained his visa-holding replacement.

Leo Perrero, an IT worker at Disney until he was laid off in January 2015 -- along with 200 to 300 co-workers -- is one of six scheduled to testify.

A perfect example of planned #H1B abuse

We HP and was asked to come from a perfectly good job but promised more technical abilities and chances to show my stuff. A true pipe dream as I watch good knowledgeable people get the layoff notice and our customers are suffering big time. Jobs are going to Indian workers brought onshore because they will work like dogs even though our client cant understand a word they say and neither can we. Morale is in the toilet and everyone is just trying to hang on as long as they can. I don't see HP around in five years andI can only hope a decent conglomerate buys it out. Meg Ryan can continue to collect her huge salary and bonus and try to pretend to the employees that HP will make it.

No raises in the last two years shows whats coming. I have always tried to do my very best but it gets harder as I am truly embarrassed for our client and the service we are NOT providing anymore.

Nobody wants to talk to the press

would you be interested in talking to press. I have friends at press. They would love to hear these kind of stories. Outsourcing, replacing by cheaper #H1b etc are stories they are always looking for. This would be confidential.

As long as there are cheap #H1B visa workers they will outsource, once that stops, jobs will return to Americans in IT

Citi Job Cuts 2016

Citi's Technology organization is going to be hit with a major downsizing. Already one global Technology head (MD) for their offshore consumer business and one of his lieutenants have been put on garden leave. More to follow soon. Welcome the #H1B cohort...

With the new consumer banking head Stephen Bird deciding to create a Fintech unit within the bank, the existing technology unit will be under pressure both for budget as well as projects. This could lead to the eventual dismemberment of the existing technology unit.

As long as there are more #H1B workers to hire, you will see layoffs at Pepsi - it's a simple math kind of a thing - with every visa person they bring on board (internally or as a outsourced or contracted person) they cut payroll in half (for that particular position)...

Frito Lay and Heinz Merger

Anyone heard anything about Heinz buying FL? Not sure I'd care much if I got popped... I'm so sick of the 18 month layoff cycle, it's ridiculous. Makes senior management look TOTALLY incompetent. Never seen a company that's so profitable that's so unstable.

Never made sense, good luck developing an advanced tech platform using #H1B resources

OK bro - US IBM employees... How many of them are legally working in the US but are of Indian origin and currently have an #H1B visa?? Take a peak at the government listings - thousands and thousands of H1Bs were brought in, they are on US payroll, but working for wages lower than the prevailing rate - that's how they make money - and good luck for Hertz folks transitioning to IBM they will be kept until they train Indians who will do the job for 1/10th of the price - here is your data http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=IB&job=&city=&year=All

Going Forward

when the innovation is done through accounting practices and offshoring, the bright minds will find better places. the drain has been happening for a while, out with the high salaries/tenure and with the the #H1B and college grads.

many reasons, especially bring in new management who wants to consolidate power by bringing their friends or hiring new and make room by getting rid of whoever they need to

And #H1B folks

More outsourcing and job cuts

Will happen this year and next year, E&E 2020 and Follow the Sun initiatives. Expect 5% cuts this year in IT. More work will be sent to India for IT.

Another #H1B scam

Hertz lays off 250+ IT employees today (20-Feb-2016)

Today Hertz decided to layoff 250+ IT employees across the country. some of the jobs are being outsourced to IBM.

@ppy when it comes to #H1B visas, most of Indian pure players abuse visas 100x more than we do - I am not saying we are perfect but we do bring in just a fraction of H1Bs if compared to Tatas and Wipros of the world

Executive Lesson #1: "Resource Actions" hurt IBM's performance and ki-l morale.

OK, keep cutting but FYI - our morale is at an all time low and the window to turn the ship around is rapidly closing... Do you gentlemen (and ladies) know that there is no opportunity for employees to move to another assignment, once they have been tagged in a Resource Action - WHY? If you are over 40, IBM does not want you - is this an #AgeDiscrimination.

Finally, our famous and celebrated (merit based) performance review system is a total lying farce designed by hypocrites. Employees do not get an honest and fact based evaluation of their performance.

We all know that our workloads can be extremely heavy requiring much overtime for extended time periods - yet we are not paid if we work extra (even if we bill clients for it) - #underpaid.

Pay raises??? Forget it, if you are over 40, forget it for sure...

We also mastered the fine art of importing cheap labor and indentured servant from India - when the dust settles it'll only be #H1B and Executive Line up left standing...

I am sick of this Ginny Rometty...

All of them abuse #h1b visas

All Contractors are under performed at One Shell and Two Shell Plaza and all these contractors are from Accenture,IBM and Wipro must be fired.

All these contractors if retained by Shell then there is 1000% chances of shutting down Shell Oil Business.

Also all under performers must be fired immediately without any notice.Shell Oil must be honest in its HR Policies and procedures while hiring contractors since these contractors do zero job but earn thousands in salary.

If #H1B is to hire the best and the brightest of the world, the threshold should be $200K not $110K which is peanuts in high cost areas (California, NYC, DC, etc.) - they will accomplish nothing on 110K

#H1B Scam at Staples

There are a lot of employees working at Staples IT department from TCS Indian company. They should let them go and hire more people from here. Stop #H1B abuse

Why do we need #H1B program?

Well more reasons to stop the H1B program and replace it with a green card program. Trump will make America great again.

IBM gets worse every year

A 6 year veteran here - it's fairly long #tenure for IBM... No matter how highly you are rated at #IBM or how many years you work for IBM, please do not relax and think for one minute that your job may be secure.

A large number of my friends here at IBM were laid off, so they can move our work to #India, #Philippines and pay a fraction of our salaries to local staff.

When they lay you off you lose your matching #401K funds, they do that on purpose, that's why they are not matching every month...

Anyhow, no respect or value to employees is shown to employees... #IBM is sneaky they send more and more jobs offshore, they bring #H1B folks here - they do not release info on what's going on - they hide it...

Dont you start me on management, it sucks, managers are frustrated too - there layers upon layers of management, a ton of people will check your work, and stuff like that, they will tell yo what to do often contradicting each other - oh, it's so bad bro...

I do not think #H1B folks are our problem

It becomes filled with h1b1 workers and they talk about how great it is to be making $19/hr as long as they have a job title?