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Another #H1B voices his opinion - please be silent

why software jobs are going to Indians ?

because they work hard for it. Just look at their schools. They get trained from middle school working 10-12 hours a day learning Math and English. They are surrounded by lot of software people. Eventually, they pick up and are good at it. Compare to our middle schools here where all girls worry about makeup and boys, while boys trying to act cool, ask the girls out. How can America win ?

All the pressure comes in high school and no wonder half the kids are on anti depressants.. America needs to raise standards and cut down their activities that are useless like soccer, Piano etc. Just focus on studies and then you can get the jobs. Identify the skill set early on but that is the biggest problem. >Which kid is good at what ? It might take fun out of life but if we can find the answer, that's the silver bullet..

Sorry if this makes anyone feel old, but 35 is indeed considered over-the-hill in the IT industry. Remember Mark Zuckerberg's (in)famous quote, "young people are just smarter." Norm Matloff discusses this in his excellent #H1B summary: http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b10min.html

Sorry if this makes anyone feel old, but 35 is indeed considered over-the-hill in the IT industry. Remember Mark Zuckerberg's (in)famous quote, "young people are just smarter." See Norm Matloff's excellent #H1B summary at http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b10min.html -- he discusses age discrimination in several places.

Another #h1b Rant

I am voting for Trump. He will stop the give-away of H1B visas to Indians. They are taking all out jobs. Corporations are outsourcing them

I am voting for Trump. He will stop the give-away of H1B visas to Indians. They are taking all our jobs.

Corporations like NOV are outsourcing & allowing these foreigners to take the jobs from our US citizens.

With so many U.S citizens out of work l, the constant layoffs, those laid off are replaced with foreigners with H1B visas.

#H1B Scumbags - just tagging it

Infosys and H1B abuse

http://www.epi.org/blog/new-data-infosys-tata-abuse-h-1b-program/

I am not wrong

You're absolutely wrong. A company pays around 20-30k per #H1B filed. Also H1Bs have the same salaries as US workers at least at MS where the salary for a given title is usually non-negotiable. H1Bs are actually more expensive than US workers and that's why many smaller companies don't hire H1Bs simply because they can't afford the cost.

so true on #h1b

Verizon's only "core" is to make the top execs wealthy .... and to give jobs to offshore and H1B morons. But the latter is just to help achieve making the execs wealthy. Cause we all know how piss-poor the offshore and H1B resources are.

I am sick and tired of the #H1B rant - you guys said nothing as both Dems and Republicans were destroying US Manufacturing a couple of decades ago.

True, this really isn't about H1Bs. Those people just want to work. It really is just about capitalism, aka greed, and the US stands head and shoulders above the rest of the world when it comes to greed. It really is just the insatiable greed of Wall Steet. And what is Wall Street? Just a much larger version of each of us. Everyone wants that big fat 401k, who cares about a bunch of Chinese people working miserably long hours? Labor is the biggest cost for business in this country, AND the easiest and most affective way to cut costs. As unpleasant as it is, people here are paid way way more than either China or India. It's not my opinion, everyone of us know it's true. The human misery many of us, including me, is not going away any time soon. And IS a direct result of paying ourselves " the big bucks" decade after decade after decade. No I'm not a troll nor a vz HR plant. Just someone who knows that Wall Street is the child of the American people's need, the need for greed. It's karma, we are getting what we made for ourselves, and those Indian & Chinese people have come for your job and your future. They too will, just like the Japanese before them, will "win the peace." Of course we can always resolve the problem the good oi' American way and shoot, stab, gas or bomb the bastards? Sorry, but this is not my opinion, it's the simple plain but sad truth.

OK - great, good for our. Wait until the #H1B cohort gains more strength, you will see what happens.

@2ypx: Read @2nyb 's post again -- he said it exempts employers not employees from certain taxes (in the US, both employers and employees pay a portion of various payroll taxes). I don't know how much this applies to #H1B, but it certainly applies to #OPT, for which Obama's DHS is about to triple the visa duration, so Zuckerberg et al. can bypass the annual H-1B caps.

Disney is the worst of them all - they have a corp office in Orlando, very close to the park, it's on Celebration way - it's like an IT factory, they've built it recently. The carnage is taking place there, not in the park. They are working with a ton of outsourcing companies and laying people off. So for example, they would work with Accenture, and let's say you work for 50 bucks/hr - Accenture tells them, hey I will replace that guy for 30 bucks/hr. But the issue is they cannot find anyone who will do it for 30, so they go to Accenture India and they bring someone from there to work on-shore in Orlando here. So, accenture pays the guy 20 bucks and they pocket 10. The guy is totally underpaid in US terms, but in Indian terms he just doubled his salary.

So you have armies of folks like that who come through Infosys, TATA, Accenture, Deloitte, it's the same concept - the consulting companies have relationships in IT departments, they walk around and look what parts of business they can take, and they pitch low cost resources - it works most of time.

This has nothing to do with 'best and brightest" concept that #H1B was to cover - this is pure labor arbitrage where the outsourcing companies are making a ton of money by f---ing American workers.

All management at the target company knows about this, they are part of this scam as well.

Finally, here is the kicker - the visa application process is expensive and cumbersome (I think it's over 1000 bucks to apply). Also, if you apply you have about 10% chance of being accepted. So, what Infosys (and other) does is compensating the cost - so they will make let's say 10,000 applications, they pay ten million for that but they will manage to get only 1,000 people a visa - it's still good for them as they make 30K per resource a year, the average tenure on a contract is three years. So on each person they make 90K in three years, so on 10 million invested, they get 90 million in outsourcing revenue - this stuff is pure margin for them (let's say 80% margin as overhead is minimal).

So, if you look at the stats with TATA, Infosys, WIPRO, etc. bring in 3K every year, there is ton of money in this game - this is HIGHLY profitable for them, as contracts are long term and they go so deep in that the client have very difficult time getting rid of the folks who get hired.

I hope this helps...

I do not think anybody is covering this thoroughly - there some right wing nutcases who focus on this, but as it relates to serious reporting, I think #H1B is not covered properly by the mainstream media

Americans getting replaced by H1b workers - please do the following to raise public awareness of this issue.

American workers getting replaced by H1bs brought in by contracting firms

Those of you who want to raise awareness of the public just like the Disney folks and the Edison folks did about replacing American workers at your companies by H1bs. I would suggest you to please google and see which journalists have written on H1bs replacing Americans. There are lots of them writing about that and they are always looking for new stories. Please find their email address and write to them to educate the public and the Govt and stop this abuse.

Confidentiality will be maintained if you request the journalists to do it.

I do not think we have a big #H1B problem, our issues are mostly based on #outsourcing work #offshore

IEEE - trying to get DOJ to intervene on workers displaced by H1b

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3019885/it-careers/ieee-usa-urging-displaced-workers-to-file-complaints.html

Action NEEDED by DISPLACED workers.

Please read the article above and sign the petition so that the DOJ can start looking into this. They need 100 signatures , please act. no action no result.....nothing changes unless we the workers act.

Very cool - you are happy at your new job and the #H1B guy is happy in your old position

Not really, I know some #H1B folks who were cut

Why so hostile about #h1b folks?

Much of that housing has most likely already been earmarked for the next massive influx of H1Bs coming from India.

I think that we do not abuse #H1B visas like some other companies

From an IT/Operations perspective I think it is mostly offshoring. This is cheaper than outsourcing or abusing the H1-B visa. They are hiring a lot of employees in Brno, Bratislava and Bangalore (lots of Bs) for 10-30 cents on the dollar what they'd pay a domestic IT worker. I haven't heard of any H-1B abuse. It is mostly a domestic team absorbing a bunch of new team members overseas. Hiring freezes domestically and hiring increases for international workers. So, eventually, much of the domestic IT staff is offshored through attrition. Without the bad press of mass layoffs.

Most of the outsourcing occurs on software development related projects. We pay Accenture or TechM for their code monkeys in India. Those companies do abuse the H1-B system for their imported workers. That is their business model, they do the illegal stuff so their customers don't have to.

I don't think AT&T is doing anything illegal with the outsourcing and offshoring. It is just unsavory.

The real scandal is targeted layoffs for older domestic workers to minimize future pension obligations. My org, under Mike Hargrove, had only about a 2% layoff this summer, but everyone I knew that got laid off was a long tenured employee over 40. From what I hear, supervisors had no say in who got the axe. It was completely up to HR, which tells you that job performance was not part of the equation.

I bet if laid off folks start posting their age and tenure, you will see a pattern.

MSFT will bring on another 1500 #H1B folks on board this year - mark my words, they will say that there is a shortage of domestic workers and will hire Indians, happens every year. At the same time they will let go thousands of American workers. 2016 layoffs will likely be bigger than the round we saw in 2015, there is a several warning signs there (and the economy is slowing down too)

This game has been unraveling for a couple of decades now, the worker is simply f---ed. We bought into the narrative that has been sold to our parents - go to school, work hard, all will be fine. F--- it. It's over.

This finished in 1990 and things are getting worse and worse for workers. Look at what's happening with the elections now, you have Trump scooping up votes of all pissed republican workers and you have Sanders doing the thing with pissed Dems.

I am not going to preach here as each of you will realize at some points (if you haven't already) - I am 100% for Capitalism, competition, etc. But structural changes have occurred over last 2 to 3 decades and the whole 'shareholder focus' thing is f---ing workers majorly. You can make an argument that they are putting in the money so an enterprise can function, but keep in mind that if you rape workers way too much (just like they are doing now) there will be no middle class to buy whatever that enterprise is selling.

And our middle class is melting at a rapid pace, it will hit under 50% of the workers pool in 2 years, and it will continue to shed 0.75% to 1% every year after. Real, inflation adjusted wages are in a constant fall, that f---ing does not help too.

So, OK, do the layoffs and channel more money for the Executives and Shareholders - but keep in mind that once you lose that middle class through #layoffs, #wagestagnation and all #H1B schemes designed to extract even more money from US workers, EVERYONE WILL BE WORSE OFF.

Economic history is bountiful with stories where pissed 'folk' took things in their hands once that have been f---ed for a bit too long - we are on that path for the first time in our history, so next decade will be very interesting...

i think #h1b game will end soon

Looking at all the complaints from this board about corruption in hiring/firing process, phony PIPs, excessive top executive compensation,

H-1bs hiring practice when so many Americans are out of jobs, etc... one has to wonder why there is no class action in the work?

@cwic it's refreshing that we have such great team players in Bangalore #h1b #offshoring

Plug in an #H1B resource and all troubles are gone - if it were only that simple bro

Intel desperately needs more H1B visas

After the layoff that happened a few months ago, there are too many positions lying vacant. The best option for intel in this scenario is to have folks travel to the US on H1B. Such contract staff do not complain unnecessarily, are willing to work round the clock, don't sneak away from the office during work hours and above all, cost just a fraction of the old farts that were let go. All other companies are going the H1B route.. Intel should follow suit.

If it only were this simple, plug in an #H1B and you are done.... It'll all be milk and honey from that point on...

Intel desperately needs more H1B visas

After the layoff that happened a few months ago, there are too many positions lying vacant. The best option for intel in this scenario is to have folks travel to the US on H1B. Such contract staff do not complain unnecessarily, are willing to work round the clock, don't sneak away from the office during work hours and above all, cost just a fraction of the old farts that were let go. All other companies are going the H1B route.. Intel should follow suit.

Need feedback - US Citizens laid off and replaced by H-1B contractors

Replacing citizens (or recent green card recipients) with #H1B raises serious #discrimination issues, as you see here: http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/policy/2015/OSC-TALrequest.pdf

This is true even if the replacement is done through a contractor. If you are in these circumstances, please email me? All confidentiality assured. pauldonnelly@medialever.com

With any #H1B questions you may want to head to @zKeRzNy that's Becton Dickinson & Co. layoffs - they are pissed about H1Bs replacing them also &fossil watches board is filled with horror stories, ask them - https://www.thelayoff.com/t/zKeRzNy

Replacing citizens (or recent green card recipients) with H-1Bs raises serious discrimination issues, as you see here: http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/policy/2015/OSC-TALrequest.pdf

This is true even if the replacement is done through a contractor. If you are in these circumstances, please email me? All confidentiality assured. pauldonnelly@medialever.com

More #H1B visas will be hired next year

TOWNHALL: In some cases the department will ask managers input to help mislead or distract employees from the truth. They will reword or drop in some type of threat to shut people up (Such as look around these are not your friends but part of the engine driving us). We all must concentrate on the big picture to move our bank forward. (Manipulation to reduce group participation). Speeches on who we are going hate next and what is expected of you. One town hall fell just short of using the "n" word when talking about the government and Obama and then told everyone it was the governments fault you are not making more money. The hand trick implied who you will vote for since BA owns you. Then said we need your help to bring us into the future. The speaker said it is you who are the sharpest and finest and we could not do it without everyone in this room. Followed by the speech of next few months will be harder on everyone but we expect the best out of everyone (meaning slandering reviews). Followed by appreciation of who has been here the longest projected on the stage screen. Ironic each town hall names disappear from this list because they were purposely fired because of age.

If you have ever watched a TV rerun of the third Reich hate speech assemblies.

You would have tingles down your spine in fear when sitting through this garbage.

One person called in and said I have been passed up for promotions for five years and is performing all of his manager's duties. In the assembly room HR started scrambling like a terrorist had entered the building. Up front on stage HR was attempting to mute the line. Moynihan's cheeks turned red in anger and whispered to HR at bottom of the stage to get his name (pause)I want him fired. HR jumped up on stage with a jittery voice and said we do not have the facts and perhaps we can discuss later. The caller went on telling about the injustice and said HR had refused to discuss his complaints. Click disconnect went the speaker line. Needless to say they axed this person un-ethically. Common the guy just wanted to work hard and make more money with a promotion and HR ignored him. He sounded sincere and honest. Fired....

So true on #h1b

Due to the massive layoffs every several years, the numbers of employees aged 40+ is dramatically dropping as well as the company is wiping out the experienced workforce who will be replaced with young H1B visa engineers from India as the cycle picks back up

@1wfz+EUk8rsP is partially right, it has to do how things are accounted for to some extent. Also, a 100k IT worker here costs us 170K when all is calculated in (loaded costs, vacations, bonuses, etc.) - if they plug in a services IT person, it's likely it'll be less than that. Add to that some #H1B visa flavor, you'll likely get an Indian, onshore here in the States, on #IBM payroll for 50% of the cost that you'd be paying a Chevron employee. Also, you can let them go at any point, so there is no need to worry how to get rid of staff when needed, it makes you more nimble and you can scale up and down, get skills, get rid of skills as it's needed. It's he-l to manage though and it majorly fu--s up domestic workers as good paying jobs are disappearing because of the game I described above. Everyone is playing, you pick any Fortune 500 company and you'll find a fairly similar play taking place in any given IT group... It's sad...

#BACUNION would work great for everyone, right now they (execs) can do whatever they want to do to us. need more #H1B - OK, no problem, bring in 1000 new folks from offshore, send work #OFFSHORE - OK, no problem, close a department or two, send them to India. Lay off 100 people here - OK, let's do it. They are doing whatever they want to do

#H1B is not our problem, we have a culture of corruption on the highest levels