Thread regarding Wal-Mart Stores Inc. layoffs

Off-shoring technology jobs. You're this generation's factory workers

Guys,

Everyone is upset that they are losing their jobs in technology/office/computer work.

Let me put this in perspective for you. You are this generation's factory workers. Then, seeking cheaper labor, companies figured out they could off-shore the labor and make more profit.

Now China and India have caught up (or surpassed) us in technology and education. And they work cheaper than we do with less benefits.

So now, just like the factory workers, your jobs are being shipped off-shore or given to people from other countries who can do the same thing you do for less money.

If you have an office job that can be automated with a computer, your job is likely going away. And if you work in IT, it's the same situation.

Your options are to go back to school and train into another profession.

Or you can organize and begin to educate your fellow community members and family members about what's happening to your jobs. You have to research how your politicians are voting and remember it in the voting booth.

Or you can go get a Mcjob. Because if you're lucky, that'll be what's left.

Choose.

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Post ID: @OP+MHgwSAx

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There is a toll free number to call govt agency and report h1b abuses. Wmt is doing the same thing Disney did a while back. Search #h1b on twitter to get additional information and current threads on h1b discussions

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Post ID: @4wyq+MHgwSAx

The legislation needs to be changed. And American workers need to be able to get training to keep up.

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Post ID: @4qtv+MHgwSAx

H1-B Visas Drive U.S. Workers Away from Tech Jobs and Depress Wages

http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/03/15/h1-b-visas-drive-u-s-workers-away-tech-jobs-depress-wages/

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Top 10 H1B Visa Sponsors FOR 2017

Rank H1B Visa Sponsor H1B Count

1 Infosys 25,405

2 Capgemini 17,479

3 Tata Consultancy Services 13,134

4 IBM 12,381

5 Wipro 10,607

6 Accenture 9,479

7 Tech Mahindra (Americas) 8,615

8 Deloitte Consulting 7,645

9 Cognizant Technology Solutions 5,370

10 Microsoft 5,029

Spouses of US immigrants on H-1B visas could lose their right to work. As per norms, H-1B visa holders can bring immediate spouse and children under 21 to the United States under the H-4 visa category as dependents. This move will affect thousands of Indians who are living there in the US on H-4 visa. Almost 72 percent of all the H1B visas issued by the US worldwide went to Indians. A group called Save Jobs USA filed a lawsuit, which is in a federal appeals court, the Department of Homeland Security’s did not have the authority to create a new employment visa category.

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Post ID: @3zpr+MHgwSAx

Yeah Amazon and Deloitte are up there when it comes to offshoring labor. You can verify that for yourself. Walmart is following because it has to compete and retail is cutthroat.

That being said, that's why the National legislation has to get changed. Walmart is not going to stop hiring H1bs if their competition is still doing it. That's just common sense.

The other thing we need to do is stop making a college education required for an office job. Start funding college with loans/grants only for things the country needs. So electricians, plumbers, engineers, HVAC technicians, and yes advanced programming. If you graduate from college and score high enough on qualifying tests, education into one of those fields that America needs is free.

Computer/coding education needs to be subsidized if America needs to educate people so that we can keep up with India. Instead of outsourcing jobs where our people don't have the skills, we need to train people to have these skills. Maybe we should teach it in High School.

Finally, and I hate to be this way, but maybe we should stop accepting (and definitely not fund) exchange students. I love people from other cultures and backgrounds. But when it's the difference between our citizens having jobs or not, I think we should pick our citizens (regardless of race, orientation, religion, creed). Giving away knowledge and jobs at this stage of the game is not the right thing to do.

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Post ID: @1egb+MHgwSAx

college education is BS and scam today It may have been useful to develop few skills over 4 years a generation ago when companies were loyal to their employees and you could retire working with the same company your entire career. Times have changed. You should develop your fundamental skills by the time you graduate from high school.

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Post ID: @1rvz+MHgwSAx

But I will say Deloitte Consulting, the group WM brought in to advise on the restructure, is ranked 6th with 7607. But you do have to consider that they are a big multinational.

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Post ID: @1nxo+MHgwSAx

Amazon is ranked 16th with 2171. WM is ranked 50th with 775. From 2016. Wanna explain that logic?

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2016-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx

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Post ID: @1nve+MHgwSAx

Well it's not just about performance. In my IT department, the management is not held accountable for making bad decisions or not delivering quality solutions to business departments on time. Our director is all about politics to maintain a large headcount under her. So if you just do quality work on time, it has very little value. The important thing is to kiss your higher-ups backside.

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Post ID: @1ver+MHgwSAx

A college education doesn't mean you get to keep your job. Job performance does. When everyone has degrees, it waters down what the degree means. College used to be hard, now you have to just show up. Well...to be more accurate - pay tuition. It's become a profit machine, not an institution of higher learning. I've always heard the joke - what do you call the person who graduated dead last from medical school? "Doctor". I always thought - same title shared between the top graduate in the world and the worst. And that's just the less than 19,000 doctors per year. Extrapolate that out to all graduates - 1,900,000 per year. 100 times further separation between first and last.

It s---s that so many lost their jobs, don't get me wrong, but that doesn't seem to be the focus of this thread. The reason behind it is that for far too long WM has tried to do too much that isn't retail. They're managing their own IT and recruiting and auditing and whatever, when there's companies that specialize in those areas for cheap relative to what it costs in house. Software is no different, now that everything is offered as a "service" instead of a software bundle that you have to maintain yourself.

Then add recouping the cost of Jet.com and trying to compete for lowest cost vs. Amazon. I read WM wants to have the lower price on 80% of all online items. 80%! The problem is that Amazon is beating them in virtually every category except grocery.

As for why the Hardware and software development is being outsourced, it's a problem with internal innovation, The off the shelf products and services are cheaper or better than what's going on in house.

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Post ID: @1mre+MHgwSAx

Software and hardware production IS like car production. That is true.

But so are these office jobs and white collar jobs that everyone got a college education for. Those are also in the process of being outsourced and eliminated. But the folks it's happening to are shocked when they get their pink slip.

People need to get their heads out of the sand. This has all happened before.

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Post ID: @dxv+MHgwSAx

The way I have looked at it for years is that the software and hardware production is akin to car production of the bygone​ era.

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Post ID: @vsj+MHgwSAx

Simple. Facebook. Folks are a slave to it.

But all jokes aside, with some of these GOP voters losing their livelihood, now is the time to tell them why they lost it. Explain the H1b laws and what's happening. Explain offshoring. Then tell them how their representatives voted and provide links to the state websites.

Do it in simple everyday terms. Just like you're having a conversation with your grandma. You don't have to say anything fancy or embellish anything. The truth is enough.

And folks need to be told that what is happening is just like what happened with all the factory jobs back in the 90's. I don't think most people see this coming. After the factory jobs left, people got forced into college who would have normally done factory work so that they could make a living.

When everyone had to go to college, it got outrageously expensive because if you have to have a degree to make a decent living, folks can charge whatever they want.

Fast forward to now. People got the education, but the jobs that are left after the manufacturing is gone are also leaving.

If you don't try to educate people as to what the real issues are and you don't vote, what are you going to do for a living? Flip burgers?

Oh wait. They're automating cashiers at some burger joints so that there's no cashiers. Same thing in grocery stores.

See where this is going?

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Post ID: @fxb+MHgwSAx

@MHgwSAx-hjp Educate a GOP voter? Hahahahahaha. I think you just found your new career if you get RIFd. Comedian or a stand-up comic.

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