Thread regarding Walmart layoffs

Explanation of why so many h1bs in technology at Walmart.

Can someone kindly please help me understand why there are so many foreigners being hired for the tech jobs in technology here... please also help me understand why the vendors in general literally are 100 % Indian. Infosys for instance in my 10 year career exposure of their teams (I’ve seen them rotate hundreds of Indians in and out of teams I’ve been on) has only had (2). (Literally only 2) Americans on their teams here.

Honestly looking for thoughtful explanation to help me with understanding because every time they cycle , the talent / experience levels many posses is barely high school level (even though have college degrees ) and the language barrier is an opportunity .

I wonder why Walmart can’t encourage them to hire Americans for the onshore jobs???? We have to train the people on the visas either way, why not train an American????

Serious post....

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Can we all agree the use of H1-B visa workers is an economic one? Any method to lower labor costs will be used by big business provided it is legal, or there is a loophole to exploit. This is no different than any other measures Walmart has used in the stores over the years to keep labor costs down, such as having a higher mix of part-time employees who are not eligible for benefits. Workers who do not get benefits are a lot cheaper than those who do.

If you still don't get it, if you still don't believe companies have a strong objective to keep labor costs down look to labor violations that companies get charged with, and follow the money. Why do they do what they do? Because, their behavior has a favorable economic impact on the company. Whether it is denying people their break, working people off the clock, not paying overtime, hiring undocumented workers, targeting older workers for layoff...In any one of these examples, if a company can get away with it, that company will benefit economically. These of course are examples of illegal behavior, only given to illustrate how strong the pull to keep costs down are.

Back to H1-B, the above poster stated something about H1-B that makes them particularly attractive in keeping costs down, "in addition, the person is locked as they have to stick with you for years until they get a green card so you do not need to worry about raises, employee satisfaction, etc - it's a sweet deal." Sounds like a Walmart dream employment scenario. If you're that worker you get a lower wage to start with, you won't get raises, you'll take that treatment and not complain, because the first time they hear a peep out of you you're gone; and, it's all legal!

The issue of foreign workers is not just Indian workers being brought in for IT jobs under H1-B, it is also workers from Eastern European countries being brought in from Poland, Slovenia, and Croatia under B1/B2 visas to build U.S. auto plants. Guess what, if the auto plant workers will take $10/hr to build a plant versus the $40-$50/hr that a U.S. worker demands, you better believe U.S. companies are going to find a way to bring these workers in. So, don't be mad at the Polish or Indian worker for taking the job, it is a far better job than the one they would have back home in their native country, they have a family to support too.

The following is a link to the story on the U.S. auto industry: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/made-in-america-u-s-auto-industry/

The point is not to shift the discussion away from H1-B. Rather, to show this is a global economy where one of the number one objectives across all business is to keep labor costs down. Until the law changes where companies can no longer use such labor, or it has no economic advantage, expect them to do it.

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Post ID: @6ohp+QgOpW5U

I have to laugh when walmart announces military hiring initiative's, or investing in American made products and Manufacturing. When at the same time, the same very time they are flooding the company with H-1B workers, who are taking jobs that a fair amount of Americans and are qualified for.

I don't blame the actual H-1B workers, I know they are just trying to provide better for their families and start a life in the US. I do though, see a lot of H-1B workers being forced to work long hours, and if any of them speak up, and get fired, then they have to be out of the country in a of month.

It is modern day slavery

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Post ID: @5xuy+QgOpW5U

I saw this article on a different post

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/small-biz/security-tech/technology/walmart-labs-in-bengaluru-to-power-the-companys-future-jeremy-king/articleshow/61637987.cms

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Post ID: @4rrz+QgOpW5U

Fresh off the press

https://www.axios.com/issas-bill-aims-h-1b-visa-outsourcing-2509582727.html

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Post ID: @qgf+QgOpW5U

The H-1B visa was created in 1990, not the early 2000s. It is the successor to the H-1 visa created in 1952. Y'all need to read Sold Out by Michelle Malkin and John Miano.

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Post ID: @uyf+QgOpW5U

They get a government kick back for hiring them.

A lot of them can’t even do a CBL. They walk them through and give them the answers. I’ve was with that company almost 20 years it's wide spread!

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Post ID: @jcw+QgOpW5U

i'll tag it my post as well, here you go #h1b - anyhow, here is my 2 cents, i've been doing tech/it/consulting for about 30 years now, i've done outsourcing deals and i've worked for small, medium and large consulting companies and outsourcers, i am an immigrant as well...

in the 60s and 70s you had a number of countries rushing to build the a-bomb - to do so, they needed good engineering, science, etc. they invested heavily in this sector, to be frank, this sector was the only one where they did a decent job during this time and decades that follow - as a result, you have a decent and competitive tech sector in most of those countries today: israel, pakistan, india, ex-soviet bloc, china, etc. india, given it's colonial past had a number of school using english as the primary language so once the tech boom happened in the 90s they had an advantage here.

as tools for remote collaboration were developed, telco costs dropped businesses were looking for ways of saving money and introducing 24 hour workday (multiple time zones) and india made sense. the tech talent was 'good enough', the language 'kind of worked' and they had a scale given the population side. ibm, accenture (andersen consulting at the time) and few other big consulting companies rushed into india big time (as tech and bus process outsourcing was taking off) and a great transfer of knowledge happened. several native indian companies (tata, infy, wipro and others) were starting at the same time. this was all happening in the late 90s early 2000s and things snowballed from there.

enter, h1b program which was starting in the early 2000s - the intent was good, bring the best and brightest to the states - we've done this for centuries. so, we passed laws and established rules - with time, the aforementioned companies learned how to play the game and with time they managed to win most of visa allocations using several approaches. i'll simplify this to an extent, here but here is probably the most important thing here. if you apply for an h1b visa (and any anywhere can do it) you pay about approximately 2k. statistically you have about 10% chance of getting the visa (there is 10x more applicants than visas available), if your name is not pulled out of the hat, you lost the money. if you are an individual from a developing country, this is a lot of money and it makes no senses to take such a risk. however, if you are a large company and if you have scale, you can pay the fee for 10 folks, spend 20k and, statistically, you are guaranteed a visa for 20k.

now, imagine that the same company has ops in india and here, folks here sell work, folks from india ship talent. so, if you can sell work here and charge 100k per resource per year, pay them 60k in salary and spend 20k on the visa, you are still making money. again, i am simplifying numbers here as you need to fully load resource costs, but also the charge to the client tends to be more than 100k. in addition, the person is locked as they have to stick with you for years until they get a green card so you do not need to worry about raises, employee satisfaction, etc - it's a sweet deal.

finally, india has some amazing schools, however the number of folks who graduate from them is very limited - your typical run of the mill h1b will likely not be from a prestigious school - also, keep in mind that an indian bachelors degree is a three year degree, masters is one year - about a year or two short if compared to what we require in the states...

hope this helps...

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Post ID: @tpf+QgOpW5U

from that hashtag:

@qmn - this has nothing to do with race or nationality, this is an economic issue and it has to do with foreign labor being imported to depress IT wages. We do not import doctors or vets, hence 300k+ salary levels for those professions. The h1b program was designed to bring in the best and the brightest, you cannot tell me that a $107k median pay Indian tester is either best or brightest we can do. Also, US citizens and green card holders are regular W2 employees and do nit require any visa. Finally, 87% of all H1B visas went to India, almost all of them to Wipro, Tata, Infosys, Cognizant, Tech Mahindra and Indian outposts of Accenture and IBM - use the website I provided and search for each of the companies I listed - there are tens of thoudands of visas each of the companies got.

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Post ID: @hyj+QgOpW5U

@uuy posted a good link to start researching this.

I'd like to recommend a frequently used hashtag #h1b here on this site. just hit the link or go to it by copy/paste:

www.thelayoff.com/h/h1b

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Post ID: @fvo+QgOpW5U

Been going on for years. They began bringing H1B's into small towns - anywhere there is a walmart being erected way back in the late 80's and its only gotten worse from there.

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Post ID: @ylb+QgOpW5U

Money.

Those dividend increases have to come from somewhere! Especially when you're facing multiple years of profit declines.

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Post ID: @frr+QgOpW5U

Prepare to be redpilled...

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b.html

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