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Trump is missing the biggest offshoring companies

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-is-missing-the-biggest-offshoring-companies-150924712.html

"Such filings indicate that at least 450 IBM workers have lost their jobs since the beginning of 2015 because the company moved the work overseas. But the real number is most likely higher, since one-third of the filings either don’t say how many workers were affected or contain redactions that obscure the information. One filing, on behalf of laid-off workers in Connecticut, said 'IBM refuses to provide this information.'"

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"IBM moved American jobs to India, China, Bulgaria, Egypt, Brazil and Costa Rica, according to the filings. On some of the forms, workers indicated they were required to train their foreign replacements in order to receive severance pay. 'We were managers who laid off our staff (and then were let go too),' one petition reads. 'My staff was, at its peak, a couple hundred people. We were only part of the large scale movement of production from IBM’s GTS [Global Technology Services] organization in the US to India.'"

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"A handful of companies stood out. The 24 TAA petitions relating to IBM were far more than any other company we looked into,. . ."


I'm not sure why some people are against the Carrier/UTC corporate tax benefits being sponsored by the new government administration...

That is exactly what we need as a Nation in order to be able to compete apples-to-apples with Countries like Costa Rica, Mexico, Singapore, Vietnam, Slovakia, Czech, and our cousins from Puerto Rico. If I own a Company and can keep my operations/people at a competitive cost in the Continental US, why in the h--l would I offshore those jobs?

Next step is to add tariffs to imported finished, semi-finished, and raw components, and I can assure you Companies will start bringing manufacturing operations back. Yes, it will take time to re-do the supply chains, but we really need to start fixing the mess created during the last 25 years...


All us based support jobs for Merck are being shipped to a new and cheaper call center in Costa Rica.

If you are in a support job in the US for Merck, you will loose your job come mid Q1 in 2017. HR, AP, AR, OTC etc... you are doomed. Charlotte GFS location will shut down entirely come Q1. All jobs to be sent to a new call center in Costa Rica or India.


Watch out Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, Mexico, India, Vietnam, Slovakia, etc.

With Trump winning, offshoring and tax havens will see BIG changes in the next few years. And you know what? It was about time... Nothing personal, guys, but if my job is in jeopardy by you potentially taking it... What do you want me to say... President Trump... President Donald Trump...


Next Round - Recovery Services Coordination to Costa Rica

Management has been there for a while now training to take over the coordination of Recovery Services, including large RaaS accounts. Not sure how that's going to go over with many clients as these are not employees, but contractors. Already lost many in October, next round soon or so I've heard.


Sungard Availability Services

Down to a skeletal crew in this former division, now stand alone company - Sungard AS. Hundreds of jobs sent to India, now Costa Rica, for cost savings. Some people still awaiting their "packages" but moving to a "global" model. Heard about 138 laid off on Friday, October 14 and it did not even make a ripple through the company.


If you were one of the victims of yesterday's attack from HPE, here's a link with good advise related to our IBM Industry peers.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/6-things-id-do-i-got-laid-off-ibm-j-t-o-donnell?trk=mp-reader-card

For the ones that voluntarily decide to stay... NO ONE is safe at HPE. No matter how "business critical" you think you and/or your role are, you are always a potential target (especially if you are over 30 and live in the US). I've even known people in Mexico, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, Vietnam and India being booted out, so working on a low cost or tax advantage Country doesn't seem to be a safe haven anymore. there's always someone cheaper out there... I guess the question you need to ask yourself is why are you tolerating this unacceptable behavior from an employer that don't give a damn #### about you as an employee? The more you wait, the more competition you'll get out there from desperate well qualified people also looking to land good jobs. Anyone that got laid off 2-3 years ago should consider themselves fortunate, as the market conditions (and competition out there) were not nearly as bad as they are today. The more you wait to start your search, the worse it'll get.


IBM August / September 2016 Resource Action Summary

I've summarized 20 reports in a single thread - this is from Watching IBM - there you go, all 20 of them:

  1. RA'd today in USA Storage Presales (CTS). Multiple 2+ ratings, exceeded quota past 2 years, top quarter of organization. 90 days notice 1 month severance.

  2. Tomorrow 344 Dutch colleagues will be RA'd

  3. Just got the call. US based in GTS global. Manager says HR calling it Work Elimination in US. Didn't have overall numbers but said it was widespread and impacting 2 in group. Both "retirement eligible".

  4. RA happening today in the US, GTS managers are making calls... not sure who is involved yet.

  5. GTS is hit and they are hitting tech people also. Just happened to one of my team mates

  6. I was RA'ed today. I'm in the CIO. Was told that the reason is that my position is being eliminated due to co-location strategy to limit # of locations that CIO personnel are in. Some of my work will be transitioned to other resources & other work eliminated. I don't know of other folks affected. Nearly 20 years service and a whole 1 month pay

  7. 19+ years. RA'ed today. Lost two jobs to landed resources from India. IBM = India business machines. GBS. Anybody that thinks they are safe. Your time is coming. But Ginny is building a chalet in the Swiss alps. Good luck. Finally over the waiting. Seen all my friends go before me.

  8. RA'd after 17 years. Systems Group. Age 49, told it was because of my experience and performance and the direct the business unit is going. Never less than a 2+ in the last 15 years. We all know what is really going on.

  9. In IBM for 20 years, currently in CIO half of the group is RAed because not co-located. Other half to go next year unless they move.

  10. Gone GTS 30 years

  11. I knew it was gonna happen soon. IBM wants to get the people off the payrolls prior to 12/15, to save the 401k match. I was not affected, not sure about others on the account I am on. to be honest, we have already been decimated to the bare minimum, most of the account has already been replaced with Costa Rica IBMers.

  12. Mgrs in GTS were RA'd yesterday employees still be told in GTS as I write this

  13. I'm in the number this time. After over 15yrs and then several 2+ ratings. But of course this happens right after Thanksgiving and before the 401K match time.

  14. Another wave of cuts in TSS UK started this week, part 2 of the 2016 cull...

  15. Hi - ugh. I've just heard about another RA happening today. An old co-worker of mine from GBS is affected. He was notified today and his last day will be Nov. 29. No idea of size/scope of RA. My area here in Analytics was not included this time.

  16. Still processing the information but there is an RA in progress and "I am affected". I'm in GTS (work from home Boulder) and do mainframe engagement solutioning but it sounds like it will be larger than GTS. Word is the standard cheepskate severance.

  17. RA in GTS, so far no tech folks hit (but we were decimated on the last round), but heard that US-based PM's targeted

  18. Just got word that RAs are happening in GTS. So far, people working in the CICs, myself included, aren't affected...looks like they're targeting the WFH people again. Manager seemed stressed reading the official script on the phone. Asked how many were let go in this RA and he wouldn't comment on the issue. Work being off shored to China. No surprises, I'm a long time follower of this group. I realize it is not based on the quality of my work, just another company drowning in management mistakes. Life goes on.

  19. Well got the call today, 22 years of service and I've been RA'd, 90 days with a severance of 1 month. Bitter sweet feelings since I've been VERY unhappy with the way things have been going the last few years. I'm in GTS (work from home in Broomfield/Boulder Co.) as a Transition Project Manager.


Moving IT support to Costa Rica/Malaysia, any info?

I work at IT for a long time. A bit more than year ago Intel moved couple of dozens IT positions to CR. US folks trained them and then partially redeployed/fired.

This year I heard it will be more massive IT position moving, mostly to CR, as a part of ACT. DBAs, SAs, BAs are going to loose their jobs.

Any comments/info?


12k in document, is that world wide or usa only

Early posts showed about 12k people on the list in the large document we got.

Is that only people in USA?

How many from different Geos, India, Isreal, Ireland, Canada, Costa Rica, etc...

What is the total VSP/ISP/ERP that was given out world wide?

Anybody know?


Medtronic Boulder Layoffs

It is going to be 12-18 months to transfer pads and pencil product lines Costa Rica and Mexico (thanks for outsourcing our jobs Medtronic). Going to try to keep current permanent employees by transferring them to other openings as they come up but it is expected there will be more than a few that lose their jobs. Probably me at this rate. I love that this John Jordan guy says our facility is an "R&D" campus and mature products are built elsewhere. How many decades have we built pads and pencils? 30+ years?


#Outsourcing and #Offshoring

100+ offshore jobs added in the last six months, and MCK people sent over to train them.....

Sad to see the slow death continue.

Too bad Paragon leaders are making the same bad mistakes that ki-led Horizon, but not using lessons learned.

The only people in my office that have not packed their desks are #contractors and onshore #H1B people. Offshoring has worked so well in the past (sarcasm).

MCK management seems incapable of learning from past failures. #lessonslearned

RIF'd a year ago - After achieving President's Club - CAN NOT FIND ANY JOB

After all the accolades of achieving Presidents Club-ranked the #3 wireline sales rep in the country.... less than 9 months later I am RIF'd. Made absolutely no sense and the only thing I can deduce is.... A: I'm older than 50 and female (health care risk? risk to be a caregiver of older parents as a female?) and/or B: I was making too much money. They can hire a 20 year old for pennies on the dollar of what I made. Multiple Vz jobs have since been applied for that I am more than qualified for ...nothing... NADA, not even a whiff of interest. Not even the courtesy of one single call or email. Same with all the other similar jobs applied for with other companies, after a LONG successful career...doesn't matter. Unless I want an entry level job I have nothing on the horizon. During the same RIF.... long term qualified engineers were laid off and immediate listings were on the internal job board for their jobs in Czechoslovakia(I had 30 days to look internally for a job that is how I know they were posted. one of my team engineers lost his job to a foreign worker....he'd been there over 35 years) They are destroying the older American workers lives which is technically illegal but of course you can't prove it and you sign away your rights if you want that package. Now looking to move to Costa Rica or Nicaragua to try and survive on what money I have left.


A classic #outsourcing schema

In early 2016, there were wide contractor layoffs - some contractors who has been there for 4 yrs or longer. All contractors terminated under parts of HR. And progressively through 2014, 2015, and finally, 2016 they laid off the internal instructional design staff department. Over 50 people.

Tagging it #outsourcing

One thing (out of many!) I found frustrating was the total lack of acknowledgement of what they did to IT. No announcement or anything about the outsourcing.

Trying to "turn around" a company while dismantling one of its greatest assets makes no sense to me. Where Sean's message to the business was "We need to move to Chicago for better talent," his message to IT was "anybody can do your work."

I worked nearly 20 years for ConAgra but chose not to stick around for the severance in May. So glad to be out of there. Best of luck to those remaining.

The Joys of #Outsourcing

On the HPE side I support three accounts. One is US-Support only so all of the team is spread around the United States. The other two accounts rely primarily on offshore support. Both are in Inida.

First off, my customers are in the United States, so they expect to be supported during working hours. If a problem happens, they can't wait 12 hours till the L3s in India come on shift. The L1s on their mid shift is what is available during the customers' buisness hours. Fortunately I'm a technical L3 so when something happens during the day, it's me that they call for 911 support.

Then I'm told by my manager that I'm supposed to let the Inidians take care of it, because I'm putting too many hours in Compass that they have to charge the customer at my pay rate, rather than the Indians.

Also, the India groups support up to 20 customers. So my accounts I get a time-slice of their support, since I'm just one voice in the crowd. That means CRs take two or three days to get created, and Service Manager is a bitch even if you actually are good at using it. Tasks are never closed by the Indians, I have to give them the weekend schedules on a Wednesday, so they can get the people lined up for the weekend but the Customer doesn't approve the changes till a Thursday in the US

All this leads to a lot of pissed-off people on the customer end because the Indians don't like to communicate really well. They don't call into the customer change meeting bridges because there its the middle of the night and then they don't let the customer know if there is a problem on weekends. They rely on email to me and I don't sit on my computer all weekend since they don't seem to know what a telephone is or how to use it to call me if there is a problem. So things sit for hours and I get pissed off customers.

The joys of outsourcing 90% of HPE

This is so true #gold - and also the tax effect of #outsourcing is incredible

And on top of that, for every unemployed U.S. worker that is put onto the street over this apparent "cost advantage", that unemployed person ends up being a liability to the rest of us taxpayers, in terms of all the unemployment assistance the rest of us ends up having to pay in the form of taxes

#Outsourcing is good for anything that's task oriented, but if you want to do some serious R&D and #Innovate you might want to keep those things close to top universities here in the US. I am not talking US, I am talking about keeping it close to major tech and education hubs as proximity to talent is crucial here.

Riddle me this VMware...

Does outsourcing really save money when so many of these low quality workers eventually end up transferring to headquarters to get paid at US pay grade? Most of these guys can't code if their lives depended on it.

silent #outsourcing at it's best - f---ers at the top are lining their pockets while destroying the country

There were 900 of us, who involuntarily "gave up" their spots for someone in China and India this week. Just to remind you!

Not sure if I can agree with this but you are pretty much on target here - we forgot about the 'customer', at that point we stop being who we are:

Adobe, Autodesk and Apple have steamrolled over us when it comes to our old core products

Now, chasing financial results and doing accounting black magic can help you only so much... #outsourcing does not help and it has damaged so many things on the quality side it's not even funny... Stay stong if you can otherwise get your CV ready and network. Pray if you are religious... F--- this...

OK, that's going to be stellar - we had many folks who got laid off today who spent 10+ years on the product, know things inside out... Great engineers, understanding of business, etc...

How is this going to be covered in China by folks who spent most of their careers on the fringes or doing #outsourcing - that's beyond me - many have tried and #VMware is not the first company to try this, however I am am yet to hear about one example where this thing worked out well.

In the short term, money will be saved but this is rather suicidal from a long term perspective

AT&T Quietly reducing the workforce again

Two issues: how AT&T reduced the workforce without public layoff notices and the implication for other Former and current employees tell the same story about how AT&T avoided having to issue layoff notices as required by the 1988 WARN Act. From one source:

AT&T has done a number of #outsourcing actions since 2006-ish to different companies include #Accenture, #IBM and #Amdocs. Thousands of employee division in IT which was outsourced, and continue to date for the most part. The significance of this? My source indicated Amdocs issued WARN Act notices in California, where they have stricter requirements, but AT&T and contractors avoided having to announce reductions in Other cities where not required,, due to public perception of the company

No doubt AT&T plans to completely vacate many building across US, after their lease expires, in the meantime the numbers of employees at both buildings will continue to dwindle, there you go Layoffs will continue as the leases for buildings expire, obviously nothing to do with job performance.

Wow! #Outsourcing seems to be the word of the year. What company got the contract?

Jody Davids, CIO of Agrium, announced 1-20-2016 that they are going to layoff and outsource 50% of I.T.

#outsourcing sucks only if you are the party that's being outsourced - good luck man

Just announced 50% of IT organization outsourced and laid off

Announced to those affected today. 125-150 people, mostly operations and administration. Outsourced to a yet unnamed "global provider" (codeword for India).

I do not think we have a big #H1B problem, our issues are mostly based on #outsourcing work #offshore

IEEE - trying to get DOJ to intervene on workers displaced by H1b

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3019885/it-careers/ieee-usa-urging-displaced-workers-to-file-complaints.html

Action NEEDED by DISPLACED workers.
Please read the article above and sign the petition so that the DOJ can start looking into this. They need 100 signatures , please act. no action no result.....nothing changes unless we the workers act.