Has anyone received formal written communication of any of the following changes:
1) requirement that we are in the office for 8 hours on in-office days or
2) move to 4 days in-office for some LOBs (ie. Corp Risk)?
It blows my mind that they updated the in-office guidance in October and did not send a single written notice to employees before they told managers to enforce it. In Risk, we’ve been informed verbally that we’re moving to 4 days in-office (even though CS just said nothing is changing) but have not gotten anything in writing confirming this is happening or when it will become effective. We should be getting notified of changes like this at least 60 days beforehand.
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@151 it has ALWAYS been a standard you just opted to ignore it and expect to be forgiven
@151 don’t worry - if this is actually true you have like multiple chances before termination. The process is right on teamworks for anyone to see.
@OP I was told formally in writing it has to be 8 hrs a day, AFTER they gave me a spreadsheet showing my average was 5 hours and my manager put the discussion warning in workday. So I had no notice until they already had data and held me to a standard we didn’t have and I got in trouble for it.
@bd We have been told all along that WFH does not mean you can babysit your kids. WF is not a family friendly company by any means.
Charlie added 33bps of shareholder value today.
Wow. Reading these comments makes me so happy I was let go. So many je-ks and no need to wonder why the culture failed. You keyboard warriors talk all this disrespectful trash. Literally use your thumb and scroll. Show some professional and human maturity. It’s not difficult.
@ky+1ka3sdy5f quit hating, you dont know my life
@fe what’s wrong with you?
@ey yes you will get a bad review indicating you 'are not using AI enough' and dismissed. This happened on our team (tech). Though they did receive severance, it was clear they were managed out with this and the 'calibration' process. They were not a bad employee, fine actually, just older.
Hello I am reaching out the community for help because of relatiation and disrimnification i experienced last October in the cafetria. I was trying to use the soft serve ice cream machine and the ice cream was gritty like there was sand. This was the vanilla the chocolate was fine.
When I tried to complain and explain its usually is more creamie the manager told me to leave and some of the rude casheir was laughing and some was hiding under tables. Two female security guard was arriving when I left but they both about 400 lbs, I don't remember they name but pretty sure both name start with La-something. Im about 100 lbs less so went up some steps they couldnt follow and then I stopped to have some Little Debbie snack cakes. I called HR to complain and they kept transferring and putting me on hold. How you going to put this on hold. Dairy Queen have a restraining order on me so Im stuck with this machine for sustenances and this is no way to treat a lady. Please respond or forward this Service Request to the correct department. Thank you and have a blessed day.
I think next year is going to be tough. Now that the asset cap is lifted DF is trying to “Right Size” against competitors. 4 day work week with full days in the office are expected starting 2026 and I don’t have a problem with that really. I am also worried that the narrative is a limited appetite for displacement packages and stack ranking with a view to manage out lower performing employees - so no severance in those cases. Having just turned 59 - I’m worried to be booted out with no severance package as he turns to AI for more efficiencies next year.. that no matter how hard I work and execute in my role they will be ruthless to make targets in the 20-40% range. God help all of us that are left in DF’s org for the next few years ..
@ce do you charge her rent for living in your head or what?
@aa ask your children what they remember more, you working or time with you.
It doesn't matter that this is the way its always been, you had to work to take care of your family, but you got less time with your family. And I bet your kids remember you not being there.
We CAN be more flexible, so we SHOULD be more flexible.
@bh Agree, kind of. Risk is overstated and has a high percentage of employees that abused WFH privileges. Two birds, one stone…
@ay So don’t work until 5. You and your spouse or child’s other parent take turns with drop off pick up. Or you live on less and one person stays home and if the care parent. I know this means that you will have to go without a new iphone every year, Benz, vacations where ever you want but OH MY COVID changed nothing but make people believe they are not entitled. Find a job where you can dictate your own location. Unfortunately is is WF and now it is run by someone who is going to be chopping heads faster then people can complain about location. Maybe everyone just complains on a layoff board. I think the people that are layed off would likely want a paycheck and figure out a way to accommodate 4 or 3 days in office
@ae actually, Risk is doing 4 days in office with 0 flexibility because they want to reduce headcount by making people so miserable that they quit, and they clearly don’t care that this will mostly impact working parents. Most people want to keep their jobs and want to comply with whatever the in-office expectations are, but just need some advance notice before your job and/or bonus is on the line.
@bc exactly! I’m starting to wonder if all these responses are just DF and his crew trolling
@bd finding childcare takes time, that’s the whole point of giving people adequate notice so that they can make arrangements.
@ay the company isn't paying you to do daycare for your kids every afternoon. Do what everyone else did pre-pandemic and find childcare.
Where are these bootlickers coming from, sounds like they're coming straight from the 1950's. If you're under the delusion that more restrictive RTO policies are because of a few people who coffee badged I got a bridge to sell and make millions off of. The dude has been clear in that he wants to increase attrition, this is just a tool to do that. CS says people should embrace new technology cuz of his hard on for AI, but when people talk about that whole remote work technology "he's like oh no not that newer technology, the one that leads to layoffs."
@az lots of people who are currently employed at WF regularly post on this blog if you hadn’t noticed…
@OP its should blow your mind when you were informed that DF was making the decision for his org not Charlie. You were notified and thats enough and no you don't need 60 days notice to go in and office daily. Be happy you have a paycheck unlike the people on this layoff blog
@a6 comprehension period is an essential skill so the question should have never been asked. No where in the policy did it ever state that you only had to go in the office 3 days. A competent person knows that they are to do what they are told and that a policy does NOT have explicitly state disciplinary terms. A policy is intended to be high level. Each DR under Charlie can enforce additional rules as the deem fit without a policy. Policies are enterprise level business mandates are not. Know the difference
@a5 they are not required to accommodate your family needs and NEVER gave you a laptop to accommodate for your child care needs. WF does not care about your personal family situation they only care about the financial statement. You unfortunately were blinded by the lie that they care about you and your family. They DO NOT. Working parents are not ideal employees for Wells and they are not shy about making that clear. Be thankful you have a job
@a5 a full workday in the office has always been a minimum of 8 hours. Though managers have not been enforcing it does not mean it wasn't expected. The abusers that swipe and leave are the reason everyone else is being punished with strict guidelines and increased in-office days. It only proved to Wells they could reduce headcount because they also saw on network reports many of those people were not logged on working a full day regardless of location.
@b1 OC2 which are any direct report to Charlie can enforce additional policy requirements. Look at his direct reports, any of them can enforce additional rules on their organizations.
@a5 wells did not give you a laptop to work remote. They gave you a laptop to be mobile. They extend the courtesy of allowing you to work remote 1 day a week however expect you to work 4 full days a week in the office. They did not issue you a laptop to allow you tp pick your kids up from the school bus and watch your kids while you are working. They issued you a laptop to ensure continuity in the event of a business interruption. The day of desktop computers is long gone therefore the option is laptops. It is not to benefit you, it is to benefit them.
@a6 no one needs to receive written communication. Reading comprehension is key and so is basic common sense to inquire with people who are actually employed there. These people are not employed. Why would you expect unemployed people to have recieved anything from Charlie.
@aa less amd less childcare providers offer services that actually allow you to work until 5pm. You are clearly stuck in a previous century. How do you expect someone to be sitting at a desk until 5pm, pack up, wait for the elevator, walk to your car, get out of the parking deck, drive in over an hour of stand still traffic and pick up your kid by 5:30/6:00 it is not humanly possible and services are NOT available so your flawless comment is ignorantly flawed.
@OP Wells allows the OC2 DF to determine 4 day a week office requirement. Charlie isn't the one enforcing it, that's DF. At least you have a job unlike the people on this layoff blog
@OP you are on a layoff blog NONE of us have a job so your petty party doesnt apply to us. Be greatful for having a paycheck while we have NOTHING
changes in job requirement don't have to be given advance notice. Sure, it seems like a nice thing to do but since when is current administration about being nice?
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@OP It’s in written ‘policy’ on Teamworks and has been for months. Furthermore, it’s been published in nearly every Manager Connections email since. If you are dense enough to think a policy has to be hand delivered to you, you’re the problem. Working 8 hours in office is not a new concept. Risk is enforcing 4 days in office because of habitual abusers and forcing the hands of people who are actually NOT working. Other LOBs are doing the same. This doesn’t need to come from Charlie. Every OC leader can make their own ‘policies’ as they see fit.
People who need to see something as mundane as "come into work when youre told to and stay all day" in writing to comprehend whats happening are lucky to be employed anywhere, much less making six figures at WF.
@aa <---- this person likes to fondly recall the 50s when families could live well on one salary and wives were home makers. And then in the 70s, 80s and 90s Childcare was more affordable as more women went to work. They also had to walk to work in the snow, uphill both ways.
Kindly work 9-5 M-F as prescribed. Been done over a century including commuting and child care flawlessly
@a1 reading comprehension is an essential skill. The post does not ask whether a full working day is 8 hours. The question asked is whether anyone has received written communication about a change in policy that can result in disciplinary action up to termination.
@a1 you need more notice than that actually if you had been working for 6 hours in the office on your in-office days (because you have school-aged children and need to either pick them up from school or the bus stop and you didn’t find before/after school care before it filled up in July because you were operating under the assumption that WF offers flexibility and is “family friendly”) and then continue to work remotely for 2 or more hours on the LAPTOP that WF gave you for this exact purpose. Please tell me more about how I am the problem…
You need 60 days advance notice to understand a full day is 8 hours? You ARE the problem.