second highest voted question (1st had 102 votes, this one had 96 votes) in Q&A section was related to RTO and got lumped into the rapid fire portion (seems to have been combined with another question about letting local managers decide RTO reqs instead of people much higher in the chain), question was in regards to talent drain in younger employee groups due to RTO, speaker response was essentially nah, you guys are still not showing up a full week, once you do maybe we'll reward you. huh? if the whole company magically starts 5x8 THEN we'll get wfh back? at least stick to the company line and say no way, no debate needed. saying WFH will be restored once we all meet the current policy is a silly answer
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@vm unionize basic office workers.
Being paid hourly? Oh you'll show up to work.
@109 exactly. You keep saying you want a basic office worke union? Done. You get paid hourly now. No more XBox at home on company time if you aren't badged in.
No salaried employees anymore
Careful what you wish for
@bp pay hourly then based on badge swipes. You work? You get paid. You go grocery shopping? You don't. Problem (and a fu-k ton of company $$ just saved)
@bb I like your grammar. The reason layoffs aren’t happening is the is the cost of severance. But you’re likely in customer service or sales so maybe you don’t know the details.
@am So are you suggesting doing personal things while being paid at home?
@a1 as a field guy, yeah, ph--k yeah.
The Stank reports 5 days a week and you should too.
Until everyone goes to the office that they are supposed to report to for the full term they are supposed to, I can’t take this seriously. While they still work out favors amongst AD’s to allow favorites to work at offices close to their home rather than the office they’re supposed to report to, they are telling other employees in the same group they must report to an office that’s inconvenient to them for the five days a week. It’s all a sham and we’re all tired of it.
@bp and you trust those metrics? They still can’t get a presence report right to this day. Often way under reporting. I suspect the network report was wrong because most people were working more than required when WFH. And if you caught some not doing what they were supposed to be doing they should have just terminated or disciplined those employees and not everyone else.
But the truth of the matter is: this is and has always been about getting people to leave on their own. At this point the people that were going to leave or get busted for not doing their time in office is done. You want the old timers out, give them the severance to go ahead and retire. Give a voluntary severance and those waiting will go. Let’s cut this bs.
@d7 careful mentioning their age, the old folks on this board are really sensitive lol
I was putting in 10-12 hours a DAY when I worked from home
I had the kind of job that had to go into the office even during covid. Once there, had to take my chance that nobody i worked with was doing something stupid like also coming in. However, all this tracking of swipes also disgusted me. So now I spend less time in the office even compared to covid days.
The lack of care for how RTO has eroded everything would be impressive if it wasn’t id--tically sad.
@bp that’s funny. I was putting in 10-12 hours a DAY when I worked from home for over a decade before anyone said Covid. Now in the office I go in for 6 hours and really only like 2 of those are productive. It’s my fun way of getting back at the stink. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
@bh what decades were those, boomer? The decades before computers were invented. Things change, and the world has passed you by. Time for bed, grandpa.
many still wfh without a virtual designation. L1&L2 are not enforcing it outside of hubs
When they lay people off they have to pay severance. RTO policies incentivize people to leave without paying severance.
RTO or resignation accepted.
@bm actually very true the guy above him needs to retire
@bp lol gtfo and work on your corporate strategy and no body putting in 12-15 hrs a week
“RTO is about getting people to leave without paying severance. It’s always been about that. Nothing more.”
The main purpose of RTO is to get employees as close to possible to a 40-hour work week conaistently. Network metrics showed many employees only putting in an average of 10-12 hours active time online during the pandemic when everyone was WFH.
Let's be honest: Leggs has absolutely no power when it comes to RTO. The decision was made one level above him, and he has no authority to challenge it, change it, or influence its outcome. He may even agree that it's a ridiculous decision, but that doesn't matter. His role is simply to enforce and defend a decision made by someone above him while pretending he has a seat at the table.
If employees must first spend five days a week in the office for WFH to become official, but it won't be formalized until people actually comply, then that also means you can continue working from home right now without it being officially recognized. He basically said it himself.
@bj he will keep it a secret until he surprises people with more layoffs
Did Legg address the BILLION dollars his org lost, which will only lead to more layoffs?
Or is that still being kept hush hush?
@am weird it was feasible for decades.
@bd RTO is a layoff of people who are qualified enough to leave. T ends up with only incompetent sycophants over time.
What we are hearing is you jacka$$3ss are the problem.
@b0 the question was how does RTO fit into market based culture, if one of the pillars is to “hire top level talent”.
@b6 RTO be a layoff
Thing I don’t understand is if you want ppl to quit just lay them fu-k off and move on so you can reduce your headcount. Layoffs are slow af here
@af Elon Derangement Syndrome.
People are actually losing there jobs an y’all on here complaining about wfh. Seems very tone deaf. Be grateful.
Does anyone know what the exact question and exact response was?
@ax so what’s wrong with openly asking about how close we are to returning to WFH. They should give us a metric we can work towards to get it. Like an incentive.
@av it will change, and it will change soon. Everyone is fed up.
You are all WAY off. RTO is about getting people to leave without paying severance. It’s always been about that. Nothing more. When will RTO end?? When they hit the target number of employees. Right now there are roughly 120K employees. When they get to 85K or whatever then you should ask when RTO will end.
“Ppl have personal lives with actual problems”
This is not a good argument for WFH.
It’s not going to change. Stop complaining about RTO and quit. Show them! If not do what you are told and paid to do and quit whining. Literally you won’t be missed. Your role will be replaced or eliminated all together.
Is easy to preach this but 5 days a week on regular is not feasible. Ppl have personal lives with actual problems and they can do their JOBS without the 5 days nonsense. These leaders will only learn once it affects them personally when their kid gets sick chronically or something bad happens in their life. Empathy can’t be thought, it can only be experienced. These rules they preach only benefits them right now and their compensation.
To all the boomers calling TDPs stupid, it’s because all the smart ones leave from RTO. We essentially run a hiring pipeline for other companies where they take the good talent, and we take the bad.