This used to be a place people wanted to work. Good projects, good reputation, and good future. But now it has turned into a dead end for so many people. Nobody expects to grow or learn or advance here anymore. When did we turn into that kind of place?
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@OP arrived in 2008 in an acq…spent 15 years there…I was in GBU. I would say if the people who ran it weren’t the worst of the worst, they def became so as years under Oracle progressed. They also straight stayed skill-less and incompetent. I laugh today that I stayed so long with a group of losers and a mgmt team that was beyond trash. Oracle is trash. I say it hasn’t been good since before 2008.
I keep thinking and hearing about the low salaries at O, and I'm reminded of something I found between calls while cruising through the employee pages. There was a page that talked about the salary bands (HUGE overlap) and how they calculated the salary that they were paying people.
They took the median between the highest paying companies and the lowest - lowest turning out to be Apple. Supposedly that's how they arrived at their base pay, at least for Support people. This was like 20 or 25 years ago, and I have to say that O did pay better than the job I left to go there.
You must have started with OCI. Oracle is known for its slow culture: hire at low salaries and keep them there. It's not that the talent is incompetent, but they eventually get stuck with outdated tech stacks (OJET/VBCS/APPS/ADF) and fall behind the market.
The same architects who moved from OAF to ADF are now driving OJET to VBCS. It’s a guaranteed failure because they reject open source.
Look at the employee distribution: DB, APPS, OCI, SAAS, Support. APPS lost the war to Salesforce and Workday, but leadership still claims they have the best product.
Salesforce is pushing AI heavily into 360, while Oracle is still debating adoption. A leading VP explicitly said they won't uptake microservices/VBCS for the next 4–5 years. Imagine that. These are the people supposed to lead APPS into AI.
Failure and destruction are imminent.
Let's see........ Replace working tools with broken ones, then terminate all those who were trying to fix them. Really hard to do things when the tools literally won't let you.
@OP When Ellison aligned with the corRump Administration
If I can add, there's more products that Oracle has to compete with and those are really good products too. It's not so easy for the company to dominate like it used to in the past. Besides the database, what other product is that much better than any of the competition's offerings?
I think Sun was bought mostly for their customer list. The Dot.com was both a blessing and an eventual curse for the dominant companies at the time. Just speculating as was a part of it. It was a crazy time and biz spent money like there was no tomorrow. It was not sustainable anymore than the AI nonsense that's going on now is. There's never enough lifeboats and never enough room in the lifeboats that exist so...Good Luck.
It happened when accounting took priority over Sales!
@a2 I have news for you, it was sleezy and back stabbing way before that.
...and then the final nail in the coffin was the acquisition of SUNW.
It's been a slow shift, but I think it happened from a couple of things:
- They got rid of all the people who brought fresh energy to OCI
- They added more nad more managers on top of managers
- They added more and more process
- The people who are in manager positions are totally incompetent but they get to stay because nepotism
- They don't pay a competitive base salary and started firing people right before they vest RSUs so nobody can count on those RSUs as part of their income, and nobody wants to work for the cr-ppy base salary Oracle offers