Thread regarding Centene Corp. layoffs

Apparently, layoffs are now AI transformation.😂

Centene beat Wall Street's Q3 earnings expectations. Management raised guidance. Everybody celebrate! 🎉

Except there's some interesting math buried in those results.

• ~61,000~ 53,900 employees. Down 7,000 in a year.
• 2.3 MILLION fewer managed-care members.
• GAAP administrative expenses actually INCREASED.
• $480 MILLION in expected restructuring costs excluded from adjusted earnings.
• GAAP EPS: −$0.14. Adjusted EPS: +$0.58.

During the earnings call, Barclays analyst Andrew Mok asked a pretty reasonable question:

  • What are the annualized savings from that $480 million restructuring?*

Management couldn't quantify them. Just promises of improvement in 2027. Meanwhile, Sarah London talked about AI, automation, and investments in the company's data and context layer.

Oh, excellent! So where's the ROI?

What actually got more efficient? How much work shifted to vendors? What happened to service quality? And how much of the improving expense ratio comes from actual productivity versus simply having fewer members?

Because Centene acknowledged that changing business mix contributed to the improvement. That's not necessarily transformation. That's math.

You can eliminate thousands of jobs, shrink the business, outsource operations, and call it AI-enabled efficiency. But until you demonstrate better outcomes at a sustainably lower total cost, you've demonstrated cost cutting. Not transformation.

And if you eliminated the people who actually understood how the business worked? Don't worry. I'm sure the consultants can figure it out. 😂 Maybe they can even explain why the analysts didn't ask for the actual ROI before celebrating it.

And here's another question Wall Street should've asked:

  • After the last 10–12 earnings calls, why should investors continue taking Drew Asher's forward-looking assurances at face value without demanding a scorecard of what was promised versus what actually happened?* Isn’t he on the way out?? I guess the company gets a pass if the future stack prices are good for inverstors? Yeah, let’s go with that.

The reality??? Go back in time and show us the original projections, the revisions, the actual results, and the explanations for the misses. Quarter by quarter. Because eventually, "trust us, next year will be better" stops being guidance and starts being a question about accountability. 🤔 Seriously though… go back and look at them. I did before writing this.


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@dz What I find curious is how quickly a recovering stock price becomes the whole story and the only thing they talk about. Who's asking whether the company is actually healthier, or just smaller and cheaper to run? If this was another Fortune 50 company, would it get the same treatment?
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Post ID: @ec+1m5z8qj73

The stock price is constantly defended (manipulated) at important support levels. It's suspicious and curious why it's so important that the stock price not fall.

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Post ID: @dz+1m5z8qj73

The irony of OP using AI to write their inflammatory post that includes concerns about AI impacting job restructuring.

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Post ID: @dc+1m5z8qj73

@c2 Agree. Similar to the way the news media no longer try to give the news in an unbiased fashion, they now believe it is their jobs to sway opinions to be their way…and similar to the way that pollsters no longer try to give unbiased poll results, they try to word their poll questions a certain way and only contact percentage from certain party to sway the results.

Similar to both those things, we now have Wallstreet Analysts that instead of giving real honest forecasts, they now trying to bully up their favorite stock picks. Whether they are paid to do that or it is unconscious bias, I do not know. But either way, Wallstreet Analysts should all now have their track record scrutinized and taken with a grain of salt seeing as how their may be some behind the scenes pressure or incentives taking place that influences their forecasts.

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Post ID: @c3+1m5z8qj73

@bf Did you actually go back through the earnings calls and compare management's forecasts with what happened? I did.

And calling something "bologna" isn't exactly a compelling counterargument. 😂 If we weren’t buddies, I’d get my fee-fees hurt!

Since you brought up those highly paid Wall Street analysts, here's another question worth asking:

  • Why should investors trust Drew Asher's latest forecasts without examining his track record?*

Centene entered 2025 forecasting adjusted EPS above $7.25. By July, guidance was withdrawn. The year finished at $2.08.

  • That's more than 71% below the original guidance floor.*

Now we're celebrating upward revisions for 2026 and promises of improvement in 2027.

Okay, but what changed in the forecasting process?

Which assumptions failed? What controls were improved? What evidence demonstrates the next forecast is more reliable than the last?

Those aren't accusations. They're basic questions about forecasting accuracy and management accountability.

But what do I know? I'm just an overeducated nerd who actually reads the earnings calls. 🤓

  • Beating revised expectations is one thing. Consistently understanding the business you're forecasting is another.*

And being highly paid doesn't make an analyst's questions any better than the answers they fail to challenge. 🤔

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Post ID: @c2+1m5z8qj73

@at What’s shocking is you saying Wall Street analysts who do this for a (highly paid) living “can’t see” but taking NoCenteam’s bologna as gospel.

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Post ID: @bf+1m5z8qj73

Well written OP. Bravo! The company is already in the trash. Shocking these analysts can’t see it. Like you stated…maybe analyze projections and actuals and ask the tough questions. It’s all a dog and pony show.

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Post ID: @at+1m5z8qj73

@ak It does kind of make me feel better, perhaps good even, knowing that when I have that meeting with my leader and HR telling me it is my last day with the company, that I will be “optimizing the enterprise!”

/sarcasm off

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Post ID: @am+1m5z8qj73

@OP I think it was framed as "enterprise optimization". What a creative way to say layoffs. crazy

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Post ID: @ak+1m5z8qj73

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