I really feel like Cigna is making billions off of the sweat from its workers and a union is needed. Does anyone have information on how to initiate this? Happy to join or sign a petition if needed.
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@15s Next time I speak with someone I know from UPS, I will ask them how much they pay in union dues and if they mind paying those for what they get as far as protection and better work environment, as to whether they feel it is worth it. I will report back with their answer.
@15s Be happy to pay 15% dies if it means better job security at fairer and better treatment.
@r4 DONT FORGET THE 15% DUES YOU PAY TO BECOME PART OF YET ANOTHER BUREAUCRACY WHOS ONLY GOAL IS TO EXTRACT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN
@r6 Then we've had vastly different experiences at Cigna.
Still, no union!!!
@r4 Sorry but does not pass muster.
Here, you don’t get promotion and leaders that know you can out leader them feel threatened and keep you down. No raises for years. Guilt trips anytime want to take PTO. If sick as a dog, still have to log in on-time just to let the boss know you are sick. Anyway, just saying that all the things you mentioned are also true here, except here paid less, no regular annual raises. PLUS, no job security nor a union representative to have your back and protect your rights if boss is discriminating or breaking rules.
@pc Of course they do. I was in a union for many years loading trucks.
When unionized people want a day off, they have to consider seniority. You don't get a day off if people more senior than you already have it (think week of Thanksgiving or Christmas).
You want to take a sick day? Sure, go ahead, but don't forget the doctor's note you'll need.
Long weekend work coming up? Who has to work it decided, again, by seniority.
You want a promotion? Good luck. Breaking into management is quite harder in a union shop.
Want to crosstrain and learn something new? Nope, sorry, you have a job. It's clearly defined.
I could go on, but you get the point. People working at UPS aren't managing a career. It's a job and a paycheck and little more.
It's not what most people here signed up for.
@mr Nah, not true. Speak to any UPS employees today, I have, and they will tell you what a blessing it is to be a unionized company.
I wonder if thelayoff.com has an award for most ridiculous thread. Last thing we need is a union.
And for those using UPS as the ideal example, you may want to consider how they got where they are, union wise. When they were negotiating their contracts in the early and mid-90's, the head of the teamsters was a former UPS employee and, as a result, gave that negotiation extra focus. Ask anyone who was a teamster for any other companies... All got sc--wed in those years.
@md UNION! We want a UNION!!!
@f5 not like a ups driver can be outsourced to another country. My husband is in a union and all it does is take our money and protect underperforming vagrants. Keep screaming for unions and watch the balance of the jobs in the us disappear.
@f5 This is not a salary. This is total compensation. Actual is closer to 101K for salary.
@f5 We DEFINITELY need a Union!
Everyone chant with me now, UNION, UNION, UNION!
Okay, that is enough. I am worried the walls were going to cave in, we got so loud there.
$160K with benefits included with some optimistic math.
Most salaries are around $60K or less.
@ek just to let everyone know when UPS negotiated their latest labor contract 2 years ago UPS drivers are making $160k
That’s 35k more than me..
You can Google UPS driver salary check it out I would switch professions lose some weight and retire someday
@et You are right both are a problem, and are resulting in Americans losing jobs at a rapid rate. This also damages our economy, especially offshoring. Because when Americans lose their income to foreign workers, that money is no longer circulating in our economy, and is instead stimulating a foreign countries economy. No one in the government is doing absolutely anything to stop or penalize offshoring in anyway. So all of us would lose our jobs waiting for the "government" to do something about it for us. This is why the OP suggested a union as a way of protecting our jobs. Government dependency is ruining this country. Putting all your trust in the government to take care of this for us, will lead to disappointment. Always has, always will.
it H1B PLUS offshoring that are making american middle class family to fall into poverty
Indian H1B holders hire fellow Indians or they are the ones who justifies and lies that “there are no american skilled workers capable of doing this job and we have to hire from offshore” . have you guys heard that podcast about indian FAANG employees who hire other indians so they can get paycut from their salary even if the indian has no experienced whatsoever. disgustingly corrupt.
and ofcourse OFFSHORING is make us all lose our jobs. case in point, i was laid off and found out i was replaced by 2 HIH employees.
i hope the government does something about this or we would all lose our IT jobs and would end up cleaning Indian family’s homes for a living. dont get me wrong house cleaning is an honest job but it’s not our first choice of employment, atleast for me it’s not.
the sad part is. i cant even get a job at walmart, because the hiring manager is also indian. sheesh.
@e1 hear ye. hear ye
i concur that mexicans are not the problem.
The person, or persons, that keep speaking out against a union most likely have a vested, incentivized, motivated reason to keep doing so.
@eg Says you! You must not be from around here or else you would know that UPS has much more than just drivers and package handlers. They have a lot of office workers, many of which make more money than Cigna office workers.
So, my use case still passes your test. And, yes, a union would most definitely benefit Cigna, Centene, Humana, Elevamce/Aetna, and United.
@ec I don't think any of those historical use cases apply to people working cushy office jobs working for reasonable (maybe not perfectly ideal) wages.
@e5 I agree with you to start a Union. But as to your insinuation that starting a union is somehow socialistic or communistic, that is simply untrue.
If you read the history of Unions going back to the depression in America, they were created to protect the workers from being exploited, taken advantage of, abused by corrupt corporations.
Unions are VERY American!!!
@e5 Seems to be working for large corporations like UPS!
@e1 you can not separate them because nowadays many Indians already take the important positions everywhere. They work hard for decades and earn their status today in this country and the world! Looks at Cigna itself, how many leaders are Indians! They’ve reached their positions legally, followed the rules. Now they are policymakers in many companies, soon they will be the ones for the country like they are in Canada, Britain, Singapore…
@bj H1B visas are in fact a major part of the problem within the American economy. Anyone who says otherwise is either on an H1B visa themselves, living in a fantasy world, or just ignorant.
You give Indians on work visas power within a company & hiring rights - who do you think they network with and prefer to hire for open positions now & in the future? Other Indians - non Americans. It’s a cycle detrimental to the American working class.
A potential solution is to continue revoking H1B visas in mass while levying heavy tax & fines for companies based on the number of roles offshored.
Provide incentives in the form of subsidies or major tax breaks for bringing roles back to America.
The American public were fooled by Trump to believe Mexican immigrants are the problem in this country. That is a cop out for Trump to appear to be taking a hard stance on immigration issues & it could not be further from the truth.
The Indian workforce is a significant burden to the American working class in all facets.
Common sense tells you that if you have 2 qualified individuals - 1 is an American citizen, 1 is an Indian on a work visa - competing for the same job at an American company on American soil - the American citizen should be afforded that opportunity first, right? Well that is not what is happening. The system in place today has created unneeded competition - actually reducing opportunity for American born citizens. It’s a DISGRACE!!
Indians & the American working class have extremely diverging agendas & we need leadership in this country that truly stands up for American citizens & the American working class.
I say all this with no personal hatred - but it’s beyond due for the American working class to stand up.
@bj Well, I guess I mist be either delusional or intelligent or maybe just hopeful.
@b8 It appears you don't understand the difference between H-1B workers and offshoring. They are not the same and H1Bs are not the problem. H-1B visa restrictions typically ACCELERATE the offshoring of U.S. jobs. At a minimum this action will do ZERO to limit outsourcing (if anything even happens).
If you think this administration actually cares about (or will ever actually do anything to protect) American workers you're delusional or not very intelligent.
@b8 This does nothing to combat offshoring. This is why we are losing our jobs to India and the Philippines.
@an Actually, if you would do some simple internet browser search, you would see that our President, Vice President, and several members of Congress and Attorney General are all working on going after all 5 major for-profit health insurance corporations for firing American Citizens to replace with H-1B Visa and abusing the program by overuse.
@ac Unions only work when you can't offshore all the jobs. And no politician, left or right, is going to pass legislation limiting or fining American companies who fire Americans in order to offshore. What? You thought the people you elected answer to you?
Membership fee required, right?
@a8 why not?
Dear god, last thing that is needed