Wells Fargo has made it clear moms have no place working here. Which is fine - we’ll just find jobs that allow us to be the primary parent and pick our kids up before dark. I can’t wait to get out.
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Wrong. It will always be RTO. I don't care of the policy is 20 years old, it'll still be the same stupid and inefficient idea. There's no lipstick allowed on that pig.
@wb
If your reading comprehension was about that of a 2nd grader you would have picked-up on the fact I did not mention gender.
Theirs or MINE. Wrong guess sweety!
Hadn’t it been RTO for like 3 years now? That is why it is called in office expectations now and not RTO.
@ng “ Again, thousands of workers had signed full time telecommute agreements prior to the pandemic, ”
And every single one of those had a clause that said it could be revoked at any time, for any reason - or no reason, solely at the company’s discretion.
@vv don't hate the breeders just cause you're an incel.
@a7
OMG! They had to get on the bus by themselves?! How on earth did they ever survive...
Whether or not you have reproduced should have ZERO bearing on you job. If you can't do both, like 10s of millions of people do every day, pack your stuff and go home.
It FLOORS me when people are talking about their worktime requirements and/or work location requirements, and they start in with 'But, but... my son/daughter have.......'. So what? YOU are responsible for creating a life which YOU can balance. Nobody else. We are taking care of our own jobs and families.
If this is such a terrible place to be then why stay? Queue the excuses and memories of yesteryear. Women’s makeup used to have lead and brominated vegetable oil was good for you. Things change, figure it out. Your entitled “I’ve been WFH for 20 years” thought process is just as antiquated as anything you can point your fingers at. You can’t control it so you whine or find what does make you happy.
Me, no boomer, RTO 3x8 but you better believe I figured out how to work the system and spend zero time in office, could pickup or drop off kids if I wanted (eff em, they can ride BART and go all Lord of the Flies on it) and run my errands.
@fy Again, thousands of workers had signed full time telecommute agreements prior to the pandemic, and even for those who didn't, there was zero friction if you needed to work from home occasionally. If you needed to work out a schedule accommodation to make room to pick up your kids from school, that was a conversation between you and your manager, you didn't have also have to try to figure out how to work around inflexible 8-hour monitoring software. The current situation is a significant downgrade from how things were pre-pandemic
@m8 they also didn't make their living being paid to shill on a layoff forum. My guess is you'd either be used as bait, or target practice in a hunter-gatherer society.
@m8 Exactly, they'd be crying about Indians replacing them then too. Toughen up snowflakes
You guys would’ve struggled in the hunter gatherer age. They didn’t have HR and paternity 16 week leave back then
@k5 that may be true, but I've been here long enough to see salaried tech roles get reclassified, and people get huge checks for back pay. Being available doesn't equate to sitting at a desk moving a mouse, especially under the conditions that define exempt status. It's nuanced, but there are distinctions.
@OP Sadly the captialist US working world is stacked against working parental primary caregivers (mostly moms but can be dads too).
@h8 the idea that tracking hours and presence in the office is lawsuit material for exempt employees is wrong. The law says that the company can't dock pay of an exempt for not working "enough" hours or not being in the office for those hours, but it can legally be used for performance management up to and including termination. Employers still are permitted to specify number of hours, location, specific hours of the day (for example - must be in office between 9am and 5pm) or even more than 8 hours.
@fy is clearly not a working mom. He sounds like my boss. Thinks he is useful but will be laid off long before I will ever be.
@fy don't understand how you got "we need to be 100% remote" from people asking to be treated like the professionals they assumed they were hired to be. Exempt employees having their hours tracked makes a great case for them to not be exempt, and I can assure you the decade plus of back OT pay I could be owed in this scenario is a lot more than one year of severance pay. The management team is playing with fire while wearing fuel-soaked polyester.
I haven't noticed any difference for working mom's now vs pre Covid. It's actually better because it's only 3 days vs 5 days and 7+ hours vs 8+ hours per day. They are even installing more mothers rooms vs years past. We used to need poster board on the sidelights of an office to be used as a mother's room. I could go on and on, but people will only be happy if they are full time remote.
@bq won't allow full remote.
This is very true and in more than one way. When I had my babies, this company only had 1 Mother's room. The building needed several Mother's rooms. There were lots of Moms' that needed to use it. Some days I would miss my turn during my 30 minute lunchbreak. That's not a good thing. We working Mother's do so much to balance work life and family. Bless all of you working Moms'. Happy Mother's Day next weekend, and everyday.
@an I work with many moms and they do in fact have this issue.
@aq looks like @aa's post got deleted. interesting.
@bq exactly. working moms aren't welcome, and neither is anyone else. everyone's in the same boat regardless of life choices.
@b9 They do NOT want to retain talent. Working parents and people who need accommodations or flexibility get hit hardest, but they want most of us to leave.
It would be nice if they were more accomodating, such as making up the time, or not getting penalized for using too many unplanned PTO days. WFH would be ideal, not just for parents but it saves money on gas. But making life better is not the WF way.
@bf I'm quite confident the bootlickers here are unemployed incels hiding in their mom's basement who got booted off other sites and troll this one just for engagement. Assuming that level of intelligence can hold down a job, even by WF's low standards, is a big assumption.
It would be hilarious to see all the bootlickers posting negative comments @op get kicked out and laid off in the next round. Then they’ll all be here whining and complaining about how wrong it all is. Mo--ns and boomers.
For all you stuck in a time warp, its called microshifting. Something WF should get on board with if they actually want to retain talent. Things today are not the same as they used to be.
Signed a working mom who gets it!
My lord we have some hard-core bootlickers here.
We've got the dimwitted "we did it that way before and we have to desperately cling to past practices" group along with the projection of the "if you are not in the office like an obedient little drone, you obviously can't be working" clan.
Hopefully, one day they will nullify each other and the rest of us will be free. Can't wait.
@ah kids ended being latch key kids since their parents were still at work. Families didn't get to spend enough time together. Yep we need to go back to that
@ah Do you not realize that a lot of us were 100% WFH before the pandemic?
@aa what if we don't want you to further the species -- would you stop? yeah, didn't think so. the decision to have kids is a personal choice and you have every right to make it. but stop trying to make yourself sound noble.
I have noticed that a significant majority of those downsized over the last few years have been women. I'm sure they'd claim it's a coincidence. But hey, there's still the "benefit" to go to another state to abort your baby so that's great.
I work with many moms. They do not have this issue you talk of.
The typical “my life su-ks so yours should too” responses. The point of the post is that professionals used to have discretion and now it’s monitoring everyone like we work at McDonald’s. Clock in and clock out. But also be available after hours if we need you. Wouldn’t it be better if a person could pick up their kids then go home and work through a problem for a couple hours? Now they stay 8 hours and drop everything at 8:01.
Use to be you could work with your manager to come with all kinds of solutions for needs that were fair. Now we're just Charlie's drones and managers aren't managers.
@ah thousands of Wells Fargo workers had full time telecommute agreements for years prior to the pandemic, until Charlie quietly invalidated those agreements company-wide in late 2021. Even if you didn't have a full-time agreement, no one really thought twice about flexing their schedule to work from home sometimes. And we certainly weren't dealing with completely rigid monitoring that leaves zero room for nuance or accommodation.
Gosh, what did working parents do before the pandemic when we all went to work 5 days a week from 8 to 5?
The di-k boys are in force today. Get a girl friend and maybe your vision will correct else play your video game and ja----f in the basement