Thread regarding Cigna layoffs

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@111

Combined, Medicare and Medicaid account for approximately 40–45% of U.S. healthcare utilization.

Their share of hospital utilization is particularly concerning. Medicare and Medicaid together pay for approximately 60% of U.S. hospital inpatient stays.

In many rural hospitals, Medicare and Medicaid account for an even larger proportion of patient volume.

Don’t conflate utilization with spend.
Medicare and Medicaid together account for approximately 39% of national healthcare expenditures, but their share of hospital admissions is substantially higher.

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Post ID: @14m+1m6sk3471

@th What are you talking about? Medicaid only accounts for 18% -19% of total U.S. health care spending.

So, according to you, 40% of US healthcare spend is "disadvantaged people" who AREN'T on Medicaid (the program SPECIFICALLY for low-income / disadvantaged people)?

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Post ID: @111+1m6sk3471

@hw hi please what areas ?

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Post ID: @tw+1m6sk3471

@th ahhh, of course. Blame people living at or below the poverty line and immigrants as a “root cause”… yeah, nope.

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Post ID: @tp+1m6sk3471

@r8

The commercial insurance model is fatally wounded. CMS and overly charitable healthcare handouts have ki-led it.

  1. CMS dictates the amount they pay for services. These amounts are ALWAYS much lower than the standard market rates.

  2. The government allows far too many people to be on medicaid which forces them to continuously attempt price controls. In most cases, a medicaid patient will use the highest cost services (ER) for the most minor issues which drives costs up even more.
    This is primarily why hospitals which rely on medicaid are failing. Rural hospitals and inner city safety net hospitals are failing at huge rates.

  3. CMS regulations exact a huge administrative cost burden onto providers which the provider has to account for in other areas of pricing.

  4. Unlike student debt, healthcare debt can be defaulted on. The biggest driver in healthcare cost is medical debt defaults.
    Illegal immigration is a HUGE driver of this. By many estimates, 1/2 of all medical defaults since 20000 have been from illegal immigrants. The federal government and many states force providers to care for this group, but there is simply no way to collect these payments once the patient is out of the parking lot.

  5. That leaves the good ol’ reliable American employer-provided health plan to pick up the slack, but there’s a problem. Employers are tapped out and would often rather send jobs overseas than continue paying for benefit cost increases that seem to be never ending.

Recap:
Medicaid patients and other disadvantaged patients utilize about 60% of healthcare services. Often the most expensive ER visits for minor treatments.
CMS forces artificially low prices onto providers while simultaneously increasing these provers’ administrative costs.
Legislation guarantees access to medical services to everyone.
Illegals and others who don’t care about their credit ratings very often default on medical debt.
Providers are forced to squeeze commercial insurance for profits, but there’s no juice left.

This model is not sustainable.
Since our federal debt is $40T+, Medicare for all would probably be even worse.

Free market “pay-as-you-go” for minor issues and wellness visits, catastrophic-only insurance coverage, allowing providers to decline services based on inability to pay, and less government regulation is the only way out.

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Post ID: @th+1m6sk3471

@qx Because the company isn't really growing and has stale products and bad, antiquated technology. The only way to continue to show good earnings is by cutting expenses. But this approach can't last forever before the company implodes.

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Post ID: @r8+1m6sk3471

@qm Yeah, how does anyone justify record year profits with nickel and dime-ing employees every chance you get?!

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Post ID: @qx+1m6sk3471

@p8 good luck!

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Post ID: @qq+1m6sk3471

Laid off last year, on spouse’s insurance which is currently with Cigna. I sure hope spouse’s company goes with a different choice for 2027. With all the sh*t going on at Cigna, we’re probably going to have to pay more for coverage supported by the remaining, rightfully disgruntled employees.

I’m right there with you. Profits up over last year, with promises of more layoffs at the last town hall (according to reports here). The company su-ks. Try to get out before you’re laid off. The market is tough out there.

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Post ID: @qm+1m6sk3471

@hw what areas and 11/12?

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Post ID: @qb+1m6sk3471

@hw Can you share what areas

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Post ID: @pm+1m6sk3471

@p9 new position was $100 per hour - 200k base

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Post ID: @pa+1m6sk3471

@p8 "was offered $100 for a remote role would be an 75k increase." Are you saying you're making only $25k now? What the he-l kind of position are you in currently?

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Post ID: @p9+1m6sk3471

@mk I am on the short list for a position with the State with a union and pension and no offshoring policy.

I have several other buns in the oven this morning was offered $100 for a remote role would be an 75k increase.

I am getting ready to make the jump.

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Post ID: @p8+1m6sk3471

@ke but don’t laid off people not work during the 60 day period? I don’t think Cigna will play people off before 1/1.

I think there will be a small layoff on 11/12z

And then Jan/Feb notification date for a larger layoff with March /April termination date

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Post ID: @p3+1m6sk3471

@ke you too!

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Post ID: @p2+1m6sk3471

Anyone with skills and self respect would be looking for a new gig NOW.

I can't imagine there will be any productive intelligent people left by mid 2027.

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Post ID: @mk+1m6sk3471

@jf I could be wrong, but there is typically a 60 day notification period. So they could notify 11/12 and last day for employees wouldn’t be until after the 1st. Happened to me at a different job. I guess we will find out this week though. Hoping the best for everyone.

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Post ID: @ke+1m6sk3471

@hw is it this week?

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Post ID: @k1+1m6sk3471

@jf someone posted 11/12 a few weeks ago confirming. I would not believe a word from BE

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Post ID: @jn+1m6sk3471

if the email said not until 2027 why would there be any thing on the 12th? (Not saying that's not happening, just doesnt make sense)

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Post ID: @jf+1m6sk3471

@hw please tell us what areas.

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Post ID: @jb+1m6sk3471

@hw What areas?

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Post ID: @hy+1m6sk3471

@hw we all hope it’s ours 🤞🤞

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Post ID: @hx+1m6sk3471

I know what areas. It’s going to be a rough day.

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Post ID: @hw+1m6sk3471

Hope it’s soon and no more waiting til February

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Post ID: @e2+1m6sk3471

@OP yes, no idea what areas specific but heard it's more business and not IT

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Post ID: @d4+1m6sk3471

Any ideas on what departments?

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Post ID: @d2+1m6sk3471

Yes they are. Good luck all.

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Post ID: @cy+1m6sk3471

That’s what I’m hearing

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Post ID: @at+1m6sk3471

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