Our office has heard that any new buyout offers will have a increase amount of $8000 per year of service versus $2200 and they will add 5 years of service. This rumor is spreading fast and please can anyone shed any light to this. I think it’s ridiculous but please help
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If the union had a choice between you getting money (eisp) or them getting money (dues)....they are going to take the dues over your eisp. It’s a business, your well being takes a back seat.
Because the union can’t stop the company from offering a buyout. They can undermine the process, drag it out and maybe try to get something that benefits them, but they can’t stop it. They don’t want members to take one. Less dues coming into the union.
If that were really true bpft, which it ain’t, why wouldn’t someone just say, this is what we want to offer you, but we’re being blocked from offering it?
The union is against an eisp. They don’t look at it as a good deal for a union member whose been paying dues for over 30 years....they look at it as losing a dues paying member...and resent you for it.
Because they are the axis of evil.
@aihy, why?
It’s funny how you compared the union to the nazis....good analogy.
If the union and company are in talks, you would think that the chief steward would know something. Maybe not any details, but they would know something! They are keeping it to themselves because they don’t want you to get an eisp. They aren’t going to be able to stop you from taking it if one does come out, but they are so petty that they don’t even want to talk about it. They see it as dues money walking out the door!
8qid, in 1939, I asked two German enlisted men if there were any plans being talked about regarding the invasion if Poland. They hadn’t heard anything.
What’s your point?
@8qid, of course they’re not lying when they say they haven’t heard anything. They are honest men/woman who have not been told anything, so they are being truthful.
“... The director (3rd level) then decides which location and how many at that location will be allowed to take the eisp...”
Are you claiming that the 3rd level dictates the EISP down to garage level (i.e., 3 linemen can leave from this garage, one from that garage...”
If so, I disagree. It has been chosen by geo area, title, and seniority in the past.
“...Nobody knows the details of the offer yet but ...”
then you offer details 🙄
And sure, of course when the specific ISP offers come out they will be accepted by seniority, all other things being equal. Relax
@ahsg is correct. The director (3rd level) is told by their boss how many people they need to get rid of. The director then decides which location and how many at that location will be allowed to take the eisp. The job titles, locations and numbers are all decided by the director. A list usually follows with the locations and how many people will be accepted per location to reach the number that the company wants off the payroll. Some locations do have multiple job titles under one roof and different directors for those titles.
“There is going to be an ISP offer this year. Nobody knows the details of the offer yet but don't get too excited as unlike past offers 4 plus years ago this one will be limited and targeted to specific numbers like 2 techs per supervisor...” - @aufl
So, in your world, the offer is going to be doled out on the supervosory level, as you say, “...like two techs per supervisor...”
I don’t think you are correct, as all previous offers on the Craft side in my local have been exclusively by seniority, geographic area, and job function. You make it sound like a junior person would get to leave over a more senior person by virtue of the seniority under differing 1st Levels. That seems more a VSP thing than an ISP one.
There is going to be an ISP offer this year. Nobody knows the details of the offer yet but don't get too excited as unlike past offers 4 plus years ago this one will be limited and targeted to specific numbers like 2 techs per supervisor. I doubt we will see a wide open anyone who applies will get it offer like in the past
Huuuuggggeeee offer coming !
The union knows....they are just keeping it from the members. Typical!!
Are they negotiating a buyout?
@8qid No just not in the know.
You say they are currently negotiating a buyout? Funny, I asked two union people yesterday, one from CWA and one from IBEW if they had any information about the rumor that the company and union are in talks about a buyout...they both said they haven’t heard anything! Are you saying these union people lied to me?
All true statements....what’s your point?
It’s mind-boggling how people who claim to be “loyal” union members will self-sabotage, undermine their own cause and their own financial well-being, and undermine the intentions by calling into question the loyalty and ethics of the very people who are currently selflessly sitting at the table negotiating this buyout on their behalf.
"No way will that happen. Anything beyond the enhanced ISP has to be negotiated with the union" - @zes
"Don’t know how they didn’t get there number, they only offered it to a handful of people in a handful of jobs. People are leaving on their own..." - @zwr
"I was referring to the larger ones...2014,2015 & 2016. Every offer since then have been small and targeted. 2014-2016 there were people in my garage that could’ve went, but decided to stay until the next one....not knowing it was going to be a few years down the line." - @oaf
"No way are they gonna offer $8000 per and 5 years . If they did , I AM OUTTA HERE ! And so is everyone else" @1ehq
"...No one needs to doubt for a moment that any Union would fight a company that was offering a lucrative offer that would in the end diminish the Union ranks..." - @2bdi
"Union doesn’t want to see people leaving, they are a business.." - @2ctr
"...Don’t get me wrong, the union is needed and is why we have a voice, good working conditions and good pay...but I’ve been here long enough to see the dark side of the union also. The union is a business, straight and simple...and you are a number." - @3lln
"They union has your back alright....now bend over. The union does not want you to leave because they will get less dues. It’s all about the money. How can you not see that? It’s like talking to a wall, your minds already made up and the facts aren’t going to change that." - @3pat
"its a fact that in previous buyouts the union was against them. as others said less members less cash and that's all they care about, survival. the union know its dying and is trying to slow down the bleeding." - @3sxg
"...Having said that the union will not be glad to see their ranks and union dues plummet by say 20%. The last contract states that the company has the right to make up to an enhanced EISP offer for employees once a year and anything beyond an enhanced EISP must be negotiated." @3lbn
"Whenever you ask a union rep about an eisp, they get a look on their face like they bit into a lemon. They DO NOT want anyone to leave! They DO NOT care if you’re getting a good package! They only care about dues!" - @3tbl
"...But first people have been leaving without any EISP offers the past couple of years. Secondly, I can't see the union agreeing to let thier ranks and coffers be decimated by "a can't say no offer". I think enough people will take the enhanced EISP without further enticement. It works out roughly the same $ as managements 60 weeks pay and bonus." - @4law
"...The union has in the past not let oversubscribers go on an eisp. Because the company would not replace them." - @4edj
"Some are ready to go. If an offer comes out, a lot will leave, if not, then most will stay another 4 years." - @4hkf
"...Back to the topic of an ISP for craft. We were polled by our first level this week feeling out potential takers for an ISP..." - @6snz
Don’t have to worry about rif , I am craft with 28 years
Thanks Mr Go to work. Thanks for the update. Watch out for the rif that's coming
The details are : go to work and get paid ! And make sure your union doesn’t f you over
I wish there was real info on here. Someone has to know the details?
I agree that it would have to be a really good offer since our lump sum dropped so much.
Many guys in my garage looking to go , me included , but not for a regular buyout . As someone else said , it has to be pretty big or everyone will just stay . If we didn’t have the 4+years ahead of us , it would be a different story .
ZES, wish you wouldn’t stop posting, don’t listen to a few. They don’t speak for all of us. Any credible info is appreciated.
This is ZES. Okay you win. I am so done posting. Keep your delusions. I want no part in absurdity. If you are truly that unrealistic I get why you have provoked such negativity. Sure you are worth 4 years salary to leave now. Enjoy your delusions a little longer. I am over and out
ZES SHUT UP.
You have no idea the damage your comments are currently causing. Stop undermining everything.
@6snz, if you were getting a divorce, and trying to sell your home, would you be telling bidding potential buyers all about your personal situation? See where I’m going with this? Ssshhh!
Loose lips sink retirement payouts.
“...We were polled by our first level this week feeling out potential takers for an ISP. So it's coming...” - ZES (6snz)
Never respond to “polling” or “soft” canvasses. You’re just tipping your hand, showing your cards, giving a heads up to how cheaply you can be bought off. It’s an effort to get a lay of the land, a way to buy you off at the least expense possible. By participating in such nonsensical games, you’re actively participating and colluding as a party to your own financial detriment. If you feel the need to open your mouth and play ball, just say no one’s willing to leave for less than an additional, I don’t know, say 5 years pay on top of the regular buyout/401k.
Let the bean counters stew about it. It worked for Andrew Carnegie.
Try asking IBEW in NJ @6bcs, rather than your 1st levels. They are the ones in on the negotiations, not your foremen.
Yes, I’d also like to know what state you’re in. I’m in NJ and our first level managers say they haven’t heard anything about a eisp.
6snz Where are you located please?
My garage is itching for an offer!
Thanks
This is ZES. Let's not turn this into a union bashing blog please. Besides you said it and we all felt it last strike. The company was trying to break the union and take everything we have worked decades to achieve. Maybe our response could have been more gracious but based on the management postings regarding the RIF and Verizon 2.0, I think it's safe to say sink or swim we are all in this together, union and management. Btw I am ex management, now back with the union. Back to the topic of an ISP for craft. We were polled by our first level this week feeling out potential takers for an ISP. So it's coming. On a final note I spent decades doing all outside jobs including supervisor for 21 splicing techs. Now inside as a SET. Weekly I work with VZW techs who WISH they were union and not management as the company now treats them the same c-appy way they have been treating customer ops techs for th last 15 years.....
The unions leave a bad taste in my mouth. Hated having to help the company try and bust them a few years back.
The union rank and file acted like spoiled children. I was so let down by them.