Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

Don't be so quick to get rid of us

To the younger generation that thinks that when we, the so called Baby Boomers, retire that someone will come to you and take you to the desk that I used to use and say: "Here you are, have a nice career." That is not going to happen. The job I did will be outsourced to some Third World country or done by robots. All my retirement means is that LESS money will be available in the economy to support you. So stop thinking that older people who are still working are holding you back. We are not, we are STILL providing for you and for society as a whole.

Reposted from @TG289vR-6fcj. Very true.

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@TQMEnbB-3wek, lol yet some boomers have zero degrees and zero qualifications and still working til they are 70 plus yrs old. Millenial generations are the most educated of all generations. You cant deny that fact grasshopper.

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Post ID: @hbvi+TQMEnbB

each generation has its own issues, and what affects one generation in one era can also affect the other generation in the same era, so i would not be so quick to just start blaming baby boomers for ones own problems. you can blame congress, and i am ok with that. they are a bunch of bone heads no matter who is in control. if anyone is in it for themselves, it is them. they don't even know what they are voting on half the time, they just vote and have their press secretary put out some memo with a bunch of talking points. then they can get their kids in some ivy league school so they can grow up and play the same game later on. if you wonder why college is so expensive, just start looking at what "big government" has done to make it like that and you might get the answer.

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Post ID: @4pxq+TQMEnbB

Well, @TQMEnbB-3wek makes a very valid point, the bottom poster did indeed infer one income in the good ole days would be rather easy. Worse yet, history should not be forgotten when those of us wanted to buy a first home.

In early 1980, Prime Mortgage Rates went above 13% on a 30 year mortgage. By mid 1981 it peaked at 18.45% and stayed above 12% through ‘85 or ‘86 never dipping below 10% until near the end of the decade...15 year loans came in ‘91 and they were typically a half % pt. Lower than the 30 yr....yup, sure woulda had no problem working that all out on just one income, yup!

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Post ID: @4yxb+TQMEnbB

Sorry @TQMEnbB-3uts, I was referring to the very first bottom post. The good ole days, especially for one nearing retirement was exactly the early 80s....it’s all about the math, no offense meant.

And to that bottom poster, “zero qualifications” or a “zero degree” would have landed you a ZERO JOB....how little you know Grasshopper.

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Post ID: @3wek+TQMEnbB

I don't think anyone said you could live on one income in the 80s, some of us are older than you apparently.

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Post ID: @3uts+TQMEnbB

My wife is one of the ‘old timers’ referred to, a. Baby Boomer as well. The idea that ‘back in our day’ we could live on one income was amusing and shows a very poor understanding of the ‘80s and the economics of that time.

She graduated, with a bachelors in computer science with a high grade point average, from a Community College! AT&T recruited her for many reasons, but an expensive college wasn’t one of them. What her first boss told her once, “knowledge of what you learned was important, we looked at that. But we wanted to see if you we’re disciplined and trainable.”

The overall anger and angst shows lack of discipline. If you can’t keep your non-constructive anger out of print, and too yourself, no doubt it is obvious to your superiors as well, and that kind of attitude has a way of bleeding into the daily work place and those around you know it.

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Post ID: @3lat+TQMEnbB

I think most boomers sympathize and relate to the millennials, after all that was us at one point. Of course there are knuckleheads on both sides spouting nonsense but most people ignore them.

It is the management trolls who are trying to distract from the off-shoring and poor management to keep people confused.

The millennials have good reason to feel bitter because of how bad their future looks, but it was the 1%, regardless of age, who have screwed them not boomers as a group.

But the fact is the baby boom generation should be making more of an effort to help millennials politically, we are all in this together.

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Post ID: @3fko+TQMEnbB

I have not witnessed any older folks being replaced by younger folks. While the thought is certainly there in the older folks (including me), evidence thus far has pointed to older folks replacements coming in the form of foreign replacements in overseas centers, and third party contractor companies.

Case in point, much of my center's work has shifted to a third party contractor that grew five fold in the past decade because work was shifted to them--and often in a questionable (e.g. scheming) way. Then there is the opening of a center in a location where they are paying people half (or less) than locally to do the same work, but getting the results in proportion (half as good).

The scuttlebutt going on now from middle management is the future is automation to drive down human workers. So, no, I am not really concerned with being replaced by someone half my age, but being replaced by someone in the Czech Republic or by automation.

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Post ID: @3ywf+TQMEnbB

A bachelors or masters may just be a piece of paper to u, but have u tried applying everywhere? To be just a mere receptionist at some mom and pop store, they require a bachelors degree. U dont just become a doctor, a nurse, a pilot, an engineer or whatever just because u want to. Millenials value their education and it s---s because you know how expensive college is yet we're being undervalued and made fun of all the time by the clueless boomers who are stuck in their ways and afraid of modern technologies.

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Post ID: @3lhw+TQMEnbB

Geez, even my dog understands the world better than you do.

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Post ID: @3yig+TQMEnbB

You sounds like a liberal. We are coming for your job. We work harder for less money!

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Post ID: @3cza+TQMEnbB

More left wing trolling 💩

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Post ID: @1zri+TQMEnbB

Look, every generation will have multiple groups to blame for something, and no single generation is to blame for the world's problems. As a boomer, I began work at 17, but hubby and I have both been downsized in the corporate world, something the previous generation didn't go thru for the most part. Not all boomers retire in place and work for 30 years, then draw a nice pension. Many struggle to support adult children and elder parents, while trying to work as long as possible in an existing job. Because most of us know the next downsizing will likely tag our age group, and the next job (if we are lucky enough to get one) won't pay what we have now in all likelihood. Each generation suffers and struggles in different ways.

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Post ID: @1ktn+TQMEnbB

"It’s really the white middle-class boomers who exemplify all the awful characteristics and behaviors that have defined this generation." Layoff.com please delete this ridiculous copy/paste attempt to sound intelligent.

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Post ID: @1kis+TQMEnbB

He/she didn’t ramble. They plagiarized a Vox article by Sean Illing. Not an original thought on the part of the posting person there.

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Post ID: @1aqx+TQMEnbB

Omg..... there should be a limit on how long you can ramble on!! Get a life......

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Post ID: @1kcw+TQMEnbB

That quote is meaningless without context.

Who is they? And why are they coming for people?

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Post ID: @1fgc+TQMEnbB

As far as young against old is not healthy for anybody but the company we should not be pushing people that are 60 to take a crappy early out package. FYI I am young this comes to mind.

Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Post ID: @1myi+TQMEnbB

Can someone summarize the political manifesto below this comment? It was too long for my baby boomer brain to comprehend. If only I knew as much as kids these days!

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Post ID: @1xar+TQMEnbB

It’s really the white middle-class boomers who exemplify all the awful characteristics and behaviors that have defined this generation.

They became a majority of the electorate in the early ’80s, and they fully consolidated their power in Washington by January 1995. And they’ve basically been in charge ever since. The damage done to the social fabric is pretty self-evident. Just look around and notice what’s been done. On the economic front, the damage is equally obvious, and it trickles down. The boomers inherited a rich, dynamic country and have gradually bankrupted it. They habitually cut their own taxes and borrow money without any concern for future burdens. They’ve spent virtually all our money and assets on themselves and in the process have left a financial disaster for their children.

We used to have the finest infrastructure in the world. The American Society of Civil Engineers thinks there’s something like a $4 Trillion defect in infrastructure in deferred maintenance. It’s crumbling, and the boomers have allowed it to crumble. Our public education system has steadily degraded as well, forcing middle-class students to bury themselves in debt in order to get a college education.

Then of course there’s the issue of climate change, which they’ve done almost nothing to solve. But even if we want to be market-oriented about this, we can think of the climate as an asset, which has degraded over time thanks to the inaction and cowardice of the boomer generation. Now they didn’t start burning fossil fuels, but by the 1990s the science was undeniable. And what did they do? Nothing.

The problem is that dealing with these problems has simply been irrelevant to the largest political class in the country — the boomers. There’s nothing conspiratorial about that. Politicians respond to the most important part of the electorate, and that’s been the boomers for decades. And it just so happens that the boomers are not socially inclined and have a ton of maladaptive personality characteristics.

Starting with Reagan, we saw this national ethos which was basically the inverse of JFK’s “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” This gets flipped on its head in a massive push for privatized gain and socialized risk for big banks and financial institutions. This has really been the dominant boomer economic theory, and it’s poisoned what’s left of our public institutions. I think there were a number of unusual influences, some of which won't be repeated, and some of which may have mutated over the years. I think the major factor is that the boomers grew up in a time of uninterrupted prosperity. And so they simply took it for granted. They assumed the economy would just grow three percent a year forever and that wages would go up every year and that there would always be a good job for everyone who wanted it.

This was a fantasy and the result of a spoiled generation assuming things would be easy and that no sacrifices would have to be made in order to preserve prosperity for future generations. This is a generation that is dominated by feelings, not by facts.

The irony is that boomers criticize millennials for being snowflakes, for being too driven by feelings. But the boomers are the first big feelings generation. They’re highly motivated by feelings and not persuaded by facts. And you can see this in their policies.

Take this whole fantasy about trickle-down economics. Maybe it was worth a shot, but it doesn’t work. We know it doesn’t work. The evidence is overwhelming. The experiment is over. And yet they’re still clinging to this dogma, and indeed the latest tax bill is the latest example of that.

Time after time, when facts collided with feelings, the boomers chose feelings.

On an abstract level, I think the worst thing they’ve done is destroy a sense of social solidarity, a sense of commitment to fellow citizens. That ethos is gone and it’s been replaced by a cult of individualism. It’s hard to overstate how damaging this is.

On a concrete level, their policies of under-investment and debt accumulation have made it very hard to deal with our most serious challenges going forward. Because we failed to confront things like infrastructure decay and climate change early on, they’ve only grown into bigger and more expensive problems. When something breaks, it’s a lot more expensive to fix than it would have been to just maintain it all along.

We’re going to have to make difficult choices between, say, saving Social Security and Medicare and saving arctic ice sheets. We'll have fewer and fewer resources to deal with these issues. And I actually think that over the next 100 years, absent some major technological innovation like de-carbonization, which is speculative at this point, these actions will actually just kill people.

Millennials have to run for office because people have to be excited about the person they’re voting for. We need people in office with a different outlook, who see the world differently. Boomers don’t care about how the country will look in 30 or 40 years, but millennials do, and so those are the people we need in power.

After 2024 or so, it will get really hard to do anything meaningful. In fact, I think the choices might become so difficult that even fairly good people will get wrapped up in short-term self-interest.

So if we unseat the boomers from Congress, from state legislatures, and certainly from the presidency over the next three to seven years, then I think we can undo the damage. But that will require a much higher tax rate and a degree of social solidarity that the country hasn’t seen in over 50 years.

That will not be easy, and there’s no way around the fact that millennials will have to sacrifice in ways the boomers refused to sacrifice, but that’s where we are — and these are the choices we face.

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Post ID: @1ldj+TQMEnbB

I disagree with zero qualifications remark that’s simply not true! And also a bachelors degree is just a piece of paper it doesn’t mean you know what you’re doing, it just means you can take classes and you can take some direction. The T is a prime example college grads come in have no clue what they’re doing....screw everything up and it’s us old timers they go to straighten everything out!

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Post ID: @kml+TQMEnbB

True, the younger generations have it harder, one reason is that the standard of living was higher when many of us were coming up. We did not have as many gadgets but we had many more options in our lives, and I do not mean channels!

Not true about getting hired with zero qualifications. If you equate your bachelors degree with qualifications you need to go back to school. A bachelors degree means you have some exposure to a subject, you can fill out forms well and you also have some research skills.

College is very expensive and the job prospects, largely because of off shoring work, are very bleak.

In the big picture corporate America is destroying the future of this country for short term profits and bonuses.

What to do? Stop back biting your fellow workers and focus on the real enemy, get active politically to save your future, otherwise you will blink your eyes and 10 years will have passed and your quality of live will have gotten even worse than it is now.

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Post ID: @cvy+TQMEnbB

and all that college education is worthless when they start looking to fill your job off shore

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Post ID: @zxx+TQMEnbB

You're the only ones crying here and we're not getting rid of you, the company is. Dont be so bitter towards younger generations, they have it harder than you... Back in your good ole days, you could live with 1 income and get hired with zero qualifications. Nowadays, just to be a minimum pay employees, you need to have a degree. You know how much college is right? Or you're going to compare it back in your days?

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