All hands meetings being cancelled on orders from legal to prevent news from spreading.
Hardware teams being told to cease development.
There will be no Solaris 12, final release will be 11.4.
Orders coming straight from Larry.
No info on timing yet.
So why is everything so cryptic here ?
Can confirm that S is dead, T is dead, only M has a future at this point, but that might change too.
What does this mean S=Sonoma or S=Solaris ? T series is dead ? M series the only keeper ?
@3ljc there is no FUD when the VP in your org is flat out saying what will happen and going over the EOL roadmap. Critical HW teams are all in the know, if you are HW in this org and not in that loop, then you are not seen as critical. Critical SW teams are also in the loop, again, if you are not critical. Critical teams are being migrated to other orgs. NCG are all dead, H1bs are probably getting the axe as well. Top talent (which is underpaid anyways) will probably shift, underpaid experienced have a shot at a temporary seat in maintenance. Everyone else is getting cut. Total headcount loss estimated at 50% of entire org from bottom to top.
Can confirm that S is dead, T is dead, only M has a future at this point, but that might change too.
That's even more concerning that try won't share and just hand people walking papers. Company is deplorable. See the posts what they have been doing to groups under he radar. I suggest spread this board to fellow oracle members. This will not end here. Cuts are far from over. There is a tech storm here all tech is reacting with massive layoffs at least other companies are forth coming with employees.
OHNOEZ !
According to one of the Oracle's Employees from Burlington, there was no staff meeting today.
Meant for 31jc
Strategies change especially when your product market is not growing and the industry slows down as whole. Do yourself a favor and don't think. You don't know much about business.
Linux in killing another OS. Linux is unstoppable
With the billions in SPARC investments being made by Oracle and Fujitsu and latest SPARC M7, SPARC S7 and even SPARC in Cloud announcements, along with all the Solaris Roadmap and Solaris 12 presentations by top executives during Oracle OpenWorld, I find it hard to believe that this is remotely true. Until the source of these rumors has been validated its could easily be a big competitor trying to spread FUD as SPARC/Solaris has actually been gaining marketshare according to the big analysts.
If a traditional enterprise software company wants to be 100% cloud company, it needs to transform to be lower oeprating cost model because cloud revenue is much lower than old school enterprise software. Intereating to see big vendors cutting down individual contributors while maintaining so many top paid executive.
@KE9NI14-uuz says:
lower level team meetings are happening tomorrow. headcounts are already decided, but they are pretending that they are still figuring things out.
I'll post an update tomorrow after the all hands...
We'll know more tomorrow about locations affected - they will likely not release numbers publicly - I am suspecting that all three, Sunnyvale, Austin and Burlington will be affected - I would not be surprised if they were to hit offshore teams as well, this is not a cost saving play, this is a product-killing play
Just read these and makes sense why they accelerated eol. Terrible times. Tech is in trouble this will determine who survives and dominates the cloud.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/30/gartner_envisbiltyfies_tough_server_market/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/02/idc_server_tracker_q3_2016/?mt=1480662038074
Sunnyvale or Burlington? Where?
If this turns out to be true, I just wish, that Oracle releases Solaris as open source with a BSD license, so everyone can pick it up with no restrictions.
That would add quite a few positive points to Oracle's reputation...
Team meetings have been scheduled for Friday morning (HW). Sh-- is about to hit the fan.
https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/804516055695564800
https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/804516601441619968
https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/804516715266617344
How much job loss will occur in US?
Solaris was the most underrated OS in the mid 2000s and it's a crime that they managed to fumble with it, their hardware, Java...
Between ZFS, zones, jumpstart, the UltraSPARC chips, etc they should have been perfectly placed to take advantage of the big data, cloud, and containerization hype trains that were all just starting out.
That's only sparc processor? That's a lot for a product that's not selling. These located in Sunnyvale, Austin and Burlington? Have to spread this news as much as possible ASAP.
Number of engineers in processor team expanded from about 500 to over 900 in last 6 years, over 300 are new college graduates. Quite a few of them jumped ship after 2 to 4 years or after getting permanent resident. Processor team becomes a training school for Google, Apple and other companies.
Oracle denies rumors - @KE9hzf1-rry posted this in a different thread:
They are flat out lying.
The fact is that it got leaked before they finished planning the move and are now dealing with global offices in panic in a low information environment.
They are unwilling to announce, they wanted it under the radar to avoid attention from the incoming administration.
Oracle relies HEAVILY on government contracts right now, both direct and indirect, and an announcement of this magnitude WILL attract significant attention.
The media does not care about specifics, all that matters is this headline:
Oracle firing X,000 American engineers and hiring Indians and keeping H1bs. A few interviews with engineers saying they were never considered for those other positions despite having the skillset.
It's a great opportunity to point out the L1 visa abuse, the H1b visa abuse, the way that fake schools are being used to bypass the limits and regulations.
So in summary, yes, Oracle is lying.
LOL at that f---ing guy that's all like "they can use OpenBSD." LOLOLOLOLOLOL.....
MVP Replies:
@KBEVoB1-pqy: top hardware teams are already in the loop and being prepped to transfer to other org, have already cancelled all all-hands meetings to try and contain talk.
@KBEVoB1-scm: - impacted locations - global, this is a 50% RIF for the entire Solaris/SPARC department, so thousands.
@KBEVoB1-scm: - SPARC - it's being EOL'd unless it can turn a profit
@KBEVoB1-scm: - software/hardware - news is coming from hardware teams, hardware is getting hit first, all new development is being stopped
@KBEVoB1-scm: - it will all go into maintenance mode for support, but no new development according to sources.
Rubbish. Is better disinformation as from Wladimir Putin.
HP-UX was killed by Itanium now we are left to wander
AIX will be the next to die!
IBM already has POWER servers offerings that are Linux only - 1U POWER servers and since of introduction of HMC (only on Linux) AIX is no longer 'self hosting', need Linux for all features. Unfortunately this is increasing - PowerVC - Linux only - NovaLink - Linux only ... and so on.
About HP-UX, there is little chance that HP/HPE would port HP-UX to amd64 architecture (Xeon/Opteron). Time will show how much of it was true.
http://allthingsd.com/20120605/hewlett-packard-ceo-meg-whitman-has-a-lot-to-say/
This got to me! I have a very soft spot for Solaris - first decent UNIX I every worked with.
HP-UX was killed by Itanium now we are left to wander AIX will be the next to die!
@2rfh: Sun did make the OS totally free in the form of OpenSolaris, albeit under an open source license that wasn't to everyone's taste, and modulo a few bits here and there that were too legally complex to re-license. If they hadn't done that, there would be no Illumos today. Of course, Oracle put paid to that and closed up the Solaris source code again almost immediately.
the only way we will find out if its real is if some of the big players in development post with some predictions that come true with a future cancellation announcement ;)
oracle will not announce the layoffs and the only way to tell is to view employee count in the respective orgs
Either they refuse to come clean or this was the biggest hoax of the year.
Call me bitter but I want to see this story get picked up the The Register and some other sites.
That way, Oracle would be forced to comment on whether this is true or not, AND they'd be
forced to let employees know. This stealth layoff b---s--- is for the birds.
Here:
https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/804451784324366336
The last funky release of Solaris is not called Solaris, but SunOS.
Guys what's the number of people this will impact? We don't know if it's news worthy. What I'd they intend to shift people to other work?
Call me bitter but I want to see this story get picked up the The Register and some other sites. That way, Oracle would be forced to comment on whether this is true or not, AND they'd be forced to let employees know. This stealth layoff b---s--- is for the birds.
As the band Europe sings - It's the Final Countdown!
Trump needs to make Solaris / Sparc Great Again :-)
Go back to DOS
If hw teams shrink enough will they consolidate to one location? Burlington or Austin or Sunnyvale? Austin site is going to e huge and I think potential to locate teams in Austin. Any opinions? How many people are we talking left over?
2rfh - what re you talking about, os is free anyways..