Thread regarding Cigna layoffs

@q2 "I don’t think blaming H-1B visas or spreading hate toward Indians will solve the problem." This is an unrealistic opinion, in a perfect world no one would be to blame but there are groups of people to blame here.

H1B visas are in fact the problem - across the board - workers here on an H1B visa do not add benefit any longer to a well educated, GROWING, innovative American working class. They are stealing jobs that are becoming more & more scarce - if you are American then consider changing your viewpoint to support and favor American workers.

Indians are the large majority dare i say ALL of the H1B visas at Cigna are Indian.

The H1B visa system is an outdated policy that we no longer need in this country - if opportunity is scarce for the working American class, how can you argue otherwise??

If it is the Indian non Americans on work visas that have to leave, then so be it. It is UNAMERICAN to support or favor any foreigners that do not benefit the American people.

It is simple at it's core. Greed and stupidity have gotten in the way.

It is fraud and discrimination against the American worker when you are fired and replaced by a foreigner.

@qf My total apologies then. And I completely sympathize and empathize with your circumstances.

I wish there was something tangible and yet legal, peaceful, and yet meaningful and substantial we could do to provoke real change in our government taking real substantial steps for putting American citizens jobs first. I am also of the ‘R’ party and like that they at least in principle and rhetoric seem to want the same but I just want to see more substantive action, which I am not seeing at this time.

I was more hopeful when this administration lowered the payments for these corporations but then they went back on that and now some of these corporations l, especially Humana, seem almost to be rewarded.

As I prepare for a potential layoff this week—having been given a clear heads-up that my job is at risk because of my replacement hire at Hyderabad office and my peer’s politics with leadership to replace me —I want to be clear that I don’t have a cushy job or total job security. I have been through this painful experience multiple times, so I am absolutely going to do what needs to be done to report fraud. There is zero compromise on that. However, interpreting my perspective as a retreat or a form of paralysis is completely wrong; this is about taking a deliberate step back to focus on a long-term strategy, and I want to see if anyone has ideas on that. As a strong supporter of the “R” party, I don't agree with the policies on the other side. My point is simply to ask if there is a more constructive long-term approach.

@q6 I do agree with you that we need to as you had said “ pass legislation that treats these domestic industries as matters of national security.”

But we also need to do so that Americans can again afford to buy homes, which now I heard starter homes have gone up to as high as $500 million dollars now, with a high interest rate.

So, I don’t see how we can afford to be so easily handing over our $100k+ office jobs to other countries, with hardly no pushback.

I think that persons who still have their cushy job, think they will not also be displaced by non-Americans. So, for now they are holding the line of “acceptance and tolerance.” Which are good things, don’t misunderstand me. But when we are talking our very livelihoods, then it is time to put Americans needs first.

@q6 Simply bringing ip the fact that these corporations will always try another way, if you go down that road of thinking, it produces paralysis in the general population.

No, doing nothing and focusing on what cannot be done, produces no results. You have to instead focus in what CAN be done. And that means to continue chipping away and and encouraging others to do so as well, any wrongdoing and injustices by these behemoth corporations.

So, please stop seeking to spread paralysis and disparity. And instead start spreading inspiration for action and hope.

I agree that high-paying jobs should stay with Americans and that the H-1B visa is not the proper path to citizenship. However, what I’m still trying to figure out is how deporting or shipping people back actually solves the root problems of unemployment and job availability for Americans. Corporate greed will always find another workaround, changing nothing. Corporate leaders will always hire whoever saves them money just to secure their own massive bonuses and their jobs.

For example, if workers from Eastern Europe—like Poland, Romania, or Ukraine—or other parts of South Asia simply replace them under a different visa program, we still aren't solving the American unemployment problem. Ultimately, we are failing to secure economic stability for future generations, which is the missing piece in this entire argument. Nothing will truly change unless we pass legislation that treats these domestic industries as matters of national security.

I don’t think blaming H-1B visas or spreading hate toward Indians will solve the problem. If it isn't India, it will be the Philippines, or another country taking its place. What we really need to talk about, and have a serious conversation around, is establishing strict rules similar to the defense sector. American healthcare data and software applications should be handled and built by American citizens only. No-vendors, No outsourcing Indian or otherwise. PERIOD.

Who’s gonna investigate? Kash Patel? Usha Vance? This admin is pro
India and only going after Latinos. While Cigna is definitely abusing the system, they have lined the pockets of the people in charge so it is pointless

@gr cr*p bot response made to ignore the fact that Cigna is and has been committing mass H1B visa fraud and illegal discrimination AGAINST american workers.

FILE AN EEOC COMPLAINT AND UPLOAD THE RECEIPTS AND TELL YOUR STORY!!!

@gr I most definitely believe that senior leadership and middle level leadership are driven by one’s political views and not by a set of ethical and even legal standards set out by the corporation.

So, if you are a leader who is all in on globalization and allowing immigration to occur with no vetting and by any means and any back door policy, then that will factor in your decision making on how you treat employees that you know are not in the same agreement. And it will affect your hiring and firing policies.

Furthermore, if you are a leader that is a big DEI fan, once again, that will have a major affect on hoe you treat certain persons, mainly white men, as you discriminate against them, doing the very same thing (hypocritically) that you accuse them of doing in the past.

@gr it is a common theme in Cigna and nationality doesn’t matter. It’s all about that leadership and the enablement of the behavior.

I was laid off a few months ago, and based on my experience, I believe my manager misrepresented the situation, took credit for my work, and ultimately laid me off to protect his own position. As an Indian professional, I initially wondered whether nationality played a role, but I believe the situation at Cigna is more complex than an issue of Americans versus people from other countries.

In my view, job insecurity, fear of losing positions, and internal politics can drive decisions that disproportionately affect experienced employees who have spent years contributing to the organization. Rather than recognizing their contributions, some leaders may prioritize protecting their own positions at the expense of their team members.

I also believe HR does not always intervene effectively in these situations. When leadership decisions are accepted without sufficient scrutiny, employees can be left without a fair opportunity to explain their side of the story. In some cases, managers may have outside business interests or other professional commitments that raise questions about their priorities and level of engagement with their responsibilities at Cigna.

This is the reality I experienced at Cigna: what may appear to be a routine organizational restructuring can, from an employee's perspective, feel like a decision driven by internal politics, leadership self-preservation, and a lack of accountability. I believe these issues deserve greater transparency and scrutiny.

@am You obviously do not love America. Not sure whether you are American or non-American but regardless either way, I hope you leave this country because you obviously do not love it.

Yawn….

Keep up the good fight.

Cigna / Evernorth is guilty of H1B fraud - the same job posting fraudulent activities mentioned by Vance is known to take place at Cigna. This is where an overseas resource requiring H1B sponsorship has been selected prior to the job ever being posted publicly and the job being posted to the public is just a formality with no real intention of considering any US applicant. It's fraud on a massive scale committed by Cigna / Evernorth & sever penalties should follow.

Those impacted by layoffs should speak up and report as well as those not yet impacted by layoffs. Those not yet impacted by layoffs would actually benefit from filing EEOC complaints as retaliation due to an EEOC complaint is illegal.

Keep the receipts & help save the future of American Workers.