Thread regarding U.S. Bank layoffs

@gs You're sick of hearing about RTO? And yet here you are posting in this thread. Get lost, fool.

@gs Maybe nobody told YOU that work from home was permanent. But some of us were hired as remote long before the pandemic and it stated so in our offer letters. It was stated and intended to be permanent. Then a few years after the pandemic this BS policy of EVERYONE must work from a corporate location even if their team is not located there is a clear demonstration of a grossly incompetent senior leadership team not qualified to lead a large organization.

@ab why is this the bank’s problem? People used to have to come in 5 days a week and be in 8-5 or 7-4. And for people that don’t have kids we get sick or having to cover or carry more for those with kids. It’s called before and after school care. Bank isn’t here to subsidize your choice to have kids.

I really don’t understand the fixation and constant complaining about RTO. If you come in and work a full day (most days) there’s nothing to worry or complain about. They are paying us to work a full time job which is 40 hours a week (IMO that’s the minimum). We all know as grown adults if we are doing that or not. If you are working that already, then odds are you don’t care. It’s only those that are cheating, trying to take advantage and/or lazy that are worried or complaining.
Many of us moved on a long time ago from the RTO convo. We are sick of hearing about this. Nobody said working from home was going to be a permanent arrangement.

@fx THIS. As a full-time WFHer even well before the pandemic, I just want to ask the REAL reason this has been pushed so hard. If I had a coworker here, I'd get it. I'd go in happily and not question it. I simply don't have anyone to collaborate with. The only "value" from me commuting to a hub goes to the local Costco for increased fuel expenses and my mechanic for unnecessary wear and tear on my car, NOT to "shareholder value."

@fk if you're "putting in 4-6 hours" while at the office, wouldn't that mean you're also leaving by lunch some days? The people ruining for everyone are the MC who executed an RTO plan with a lack of transparency, honest guidance or any real commitment to the whole "collaboration" thing. I have worked for companies in the past (prior to COVID) that required 2-3 in-office days and it was structured in a way that incentivized people to come in and actually collaborate.

WFH wasn't a new thing in 2020. Many large, profitable companies had implemented successful hybrid schedules well before the pandemic. The way our MC executed and mandated it was lazy, disorganized, poorly communicated and dishonest.

@fk No, the people ruining it for everyone is the MC who goes back on their commitments and prioritizes form over function.

It's been a few months where there's a decent amount of people in my office every morning.

I mind my own business do my thing probably put in anywhere from 4 to 6 hours a day in the office when I am there. But when I leave I never can help but notice what a ghost town it is... I'm tucked away in the corner so I don't see people going in and out but I'm positive most people are leaving by lunch.

And yes. Those are the people that have ruined it for everyone.

@ey nobody is ruining it for you. This is corporate America. They want to hire more in India and have less employees for AI and stock price. Enough jlhavemt quit yet so they tighten it more. They will continue until they have the numbers they want. Quit blaming others for doing stuff you are to scared to do

@en I think there's more than a few that are still coming in for an hour or less and leaving.

Most people genuinely do try but those that are still bucking it are ruining it for the rest of us.

@e0 That people were spending so few hours in the office.

@be what was the MC you spoke to not happy about? The hours they were seeing or the fact that they're expected to babysit?

@dx They don't care. We have already lost countless valuable people. They do not care about talent, they care about cheap labor. They do not care about fines or fees, they pay them off with all the money they save from cheap labor and stiffing employees when it comes to raises and bonuses.

@cz I already know of so many people who are struggling to balance their roles and a commute even with the current flexibility we have in place. If they crack the hammer down on this we will lose some incredibly valuable people. It's had a severe impact on the work/life balance of some of my best performers and I know that when it comes down to it we'll lose them before they'll bend further. I'm genuinely getting nervous about the surprises in store for the next couple of months. Ugh.

I'm already on a depleted team of 4 in RM&C and at full capacity we're a team of 7. If this is the hill they're willing to die on, be my guest. Most on my team will walk and regulatory work will be delayed. Enjoy!

The MCs of each division have access to hourly tracking data. It is just not filtered down to managers. Heard this directly from an MC member who was not happy.

Many of y'all need to learn to read subtext. It will help prevent you from being surprised about what has already been communicated.

The "Working in the office: In-office attendance and reporting (Global)" article FAQs state "The current dashboard and reporting do not use duration as part of the formula and do not define a set number of hours that equals a 'day' in the office. Any amount of time worked onsite is counted as a day worked on the dashboard. That said, the expectation of working a full day onsite remains unchanged."

Key Word: Current.

Key Phrase: "...the expectation of working a full day onsite remains unchanged."

Translation: You are expected to be in office for eight hours, we are tracking you, and soon we will be using it in the reporting we plan to hold against you.

Also important to note that it does not say they are not tracking hours - it's simply not part of the formula, again, currently. Hourly adherence is being tracked and leaders are expected to speak to team members who have a pattern of working partial days in office.

No doubt they will start requiring 8 hours in office around review time and of course, retroactive to sc--w us out of raise and bonus, and maybe try to fire us to avoid severance.

This Bank is inhuman, treat us like garbage

@b8 you keep spouting this same thing in all these threads. We get it. FiNanCiaL iNdEpeNdeNcE. Hope that works out for you.

@b3 we are going to the office you fu--ing a--hat.

We literally just want to be left alone to do our jobs on the days we're in the office without being monitored like a bunch of school children. We also want the days we take off to take a WHOLE DAY out of our RTO days, not .6 of a day. At this point just leave me alone, let me do my work, and stop making me make up a day I take off because that totally defeats the purpose of a day off.

Only way out is financial Independence.

@b3 You're not fooling ANYONE by repeatedly upvoting your own comment. FAIL. Get lost, troll.

@b3 Before COVID: thank you for applying for a full-time salaried exempt REMOTE role. Here's your offer letter for this REMOTE role. During COVID: (keep doing the same, already permanently remote per offer letter). 4 years after COVID: you have been mapped to a corporate HUB location and must now work in office a minimum of 3 days per week or your future will be impacted. 6am meetings due to time zone difference? Sorry! Get in that RTO cubicle and do your work!! FU-K you Gunjan, Elcio, and any MC member who supports this bullshti.

Here’s a simple idea. Go to the office. If not, find another job. And if you can’t find another remote job, then quit complaining. Really not that hard.

@az I can see a lot of people getting to the point of "fu-k it" if they start mandating 8 hours in the office.

I'm to the point of "fu-k it". I work the hours in the office that work with my life within reason (for me that's 5-7 hours) and make sure I hit the 60.01%.

My work gets done. That's what matters. If this is the hill they want to die on, they're free to do that. But people will further withdraw and work suffers. This is all certainly a choice they can make. They don't seem to care if it's the one that actually serves the company well, though.

I work 50 hours/week pretty consistently with lots of early calls/emails from home. In the office, I don't coffee badge, always doing 5-7+ hours which allows me to bypass traffic (mostly) and save close to an hour.

If HR won't allow any flexibility or empower managers, my day will end at 8 hours. I also see a lot more sick time in my future (I currently use 1-2 days/yr max).

Guaranteed this will backfire, but HR historically has NOT followed a path of doing the right thing since new leadership came on board about 6 years ago.

What fresh he-l is this now?

Doesn't surprise me at all. We have a long history of copying and pasting the processes of our competitors. Wells Fargo now tracks and requires a minimum of 8 hours in office for each of their 3 weekly required RTO days. It's only a matter of time before we do the same.

What did the rumor say and when

@ac yep. I had been tracking how many hours I'd spend in the office and now I'm like "whatever". I don't coffee badge and I work a decently acceptable "full day" most of the time.

If that's not good enough for them, they're free to fire me. The amount of time I sit in a desk is literally the least important part of my job or my contributions to this organization.

@ad it is new since post-COVID. Things have changed, and they've changed a lot. Some places don't even have bus routes anymore due to staffing. And people a lot of times had offices way closer than they do now. They closed down offices and created these hubs, so there are significantly more commuting challenges with this stuff than there were years ago.

It's not an argument. It's the reality people are facing. The MC just chooses not to see it.

@ab I get it, but what you’re describing is not a new thing for parents to contend with. Your argument has to be more than, “yeah, but parenting is hard, and I have a long drive, and the kids are busy.”

I hear you, again, but this is a weak argument.

@ab And that’s my problem with it. Part of the trade off for being salary and not getting OT for being willing to work over 40 hours a week when needed is that my manager doesn’t buckle and dime my PTO/Sick hours if I need to step away for an appointment. Need to come in late because your kid is sick? No worries. Need to go early to go to your check up? Cool.

Tracking hours means we’ll move to a place where we will be expected to ‘make up’ in office hours the same way they want us to make up those days if we’re out. Might as well make me hourly again if you’re going to micromanage people to that degree.

@a9 this.

An hourly micromanagement of RTO does not account for the very real impracticalities that are the day to day lives and schedules. We have teams all over the world and across the nation.

It takes some people over an hour to commute. That doesn't work when you've got kids that have to be picked up, dropped off, so on and so forth. RTO doesn't account for life at all. Especially not for people who have stupidly long commutes all to sit in a desk on teams calls. Working remotely from the office.

It will be right before review time is my guess. It'll give them an easy cull list for next year. It'll also give them an opportunity to give a bunch of people NIs on their reviews which will save a few million in bonuses across the board.

Honestly if this is the hill they want to die on and they want to further gut their talent because of these metrics, by all means. They can do that. But then all their sh-t is going to be broken and nobody will know how to fix it. I wish them the best of luck meeting their contractual obligations when they've fired a bunch of people for arbitrary a-s in deal time. Should work out great for them.

Don't know how west coast people are supposed to attend early morning meetings if there isn't flexability. This MC can't help but shoot themselves in the foot for nothing.

You are the reason why.

Honestly I think It would be hilarious if retroactive. So many of the dbags have ruined it for the rest of us.

I will be pi$$ed if it gets applied retroactively.

Where is the rumor coming from? Will hours for the year change retroactively?