So, now people have six weeks. No carryover to next year.
Lots of people lost a lot of accrued PTO, which would have been paid out.
Btw, starts 10/1, and if you’ve already used six weeks, but have more time off scheduled, your manager has dispersion to take it away.
@vm perhaps it’s time for Gail to be added to the COC rate reductions they keep blustering about and give back a couple of millions of her salary and another couple of millions of her bonus and stock options, she has more than enough $$$$$$$$ to survive the madness‼️
@zw I wish as a director that was my day. I commute into the office three days a week while 90% of my team is remote along with my RVP. I’m responsible to know how to do my teams work (no problem) but I’m also supposed to handle work for my RVP and other ELT because of the revolving door. I earn my keep and this policy is total BS! They want to nickel and dime us. Refuse to pay more and have ppl doing the work of five associates. It’s time to start looking. They will have to replace me with 3 ppl.
@OP when was this announced my ELT has not made any announcements of this change.
Thank you.
@1vm Unless the person’s manager is completely merciless, they will likely approve the sixth week of PTO.
Would this affect all employees including those in certain states or does it only affect certain grade levels? E13, 14??
@OP It’s 5 weeks not 6. Anything over 5 needs approval from manager and “discuss the impact to business.”
The major advantage of the unlimited was, for me, just the ability to take 2-3 hours off when I needed, for an appointment, a chore, etc. Now, people lose that flexibility knowing it’s eating into their PTO.
I know it’s still more than many companies. It’s more how this occurred. Many people got promotions with little to no pay increase, because they were getting this big perk.
guys! (I work for of the other blues)
You should be happy you get 6 weeks lol
@1fj Boy more chatter about Directors taking a ton of time off - mine took 5 2+wk vacations this year SO FAR. We are already hearing another 2 wks in coming up soon. Meanwhile most of us get challenged about taking a 3 day weekend.
@1ax To be fair, there's someone on my team who has taken a ton of PTO this year, and I thought for sure he was probably going to be in a flop sweat when he saw this communication. He's the first person I thought of when I saw the email.
Turns out, he's still 100 hours shy of the max, even as someone who has taken at least twice as much as anyone else on the team.
Six weeks is 240 hours. If there are people who've been taking more than that and feel sidelined by this new rule, then all I can say is "Wow." This person could add two weeks at Christmas and still not hit the number.
240 hours is three two-week vacations a year. Obviously, "unlimited" is now a misnomer, but that's not exactly draconian.
@1er Must be nice to work only 39 weeks and be off 13 weeks per year.
And these Directors want for us to think they work hard. HaHa! Yeah, right!
Good because my director is always on PTO. He is off at least a week a month. Pathetic. He is in health solutions. Cc
The leaders who concoct these associate skrew jobs are a pack of sociopathic ba$tards. Karma has a way of rewarding human skunks.
This is great. Now I get less time away than I did before this nonsense started! And who clarifies a policy with three months left in a year??
The company really does not care about employees. There have been multiple abrupt changes over the past 6-9 months. Several layoffs and combining departments but no transparency regarding the changes. Email announcements are vague. It is nearly impossible to speak to anyone from HR. The BOT closes any ticket request by directing you to an article which doesn't answer the question. They are heavily using AI and bots to "be more efficient" but ultimately cause frustration until you just give up. The PTO announcement was poorly handled. They also did a HUGE bait and switch. Earlier in the year they transitioned a lot of people to this plan AND made them salary instead of hourly. So they took away the potential to make overtime pay. And now they took away the unlimited PTO which they used as a selling point to taking away overtime. I suspect more changes in leadership will occur in the near future. The company is taking away any incentive to do a good job and to do the right thing.
@15r They won’t bother telling you. They want to antagonize you so you make the choice to resign from the pressure of dealing with unclear expectations.
@15e I've been saying for years that this committee exists. I'm convinced of it.
@165 to clean up the post
So obvious - your DIRECTOr - WILL contiune you allow you to get end less PTO if they "ole you " meaning you do what they want - would love to name names BUT if you work in National and don't know who I am talking about you are know who I am talking about= their VP will look the other way and you are sc--wed. Leads and Managers need to wake up - we see you = you will br able to manipulate these a--holes until they pay the price which they will - but in the meantime you are SC--WED - national is a chit hole full of people who kiss azz who is above them
So obvious - your DIRECTOr - WILL contiune you to get end less PTO would love to name names BUT if you work in National and don't know who I am talking about you are clueless= their VP will look the other way and you are sc--wed. Leads and Managers need to wake up - we see you = you will br able to manipulate these a--holes until they pay the price which they will - but in the meantime you are SC--WED
So how many PTO days keeps you from undergoing a Struggle Session? 24.5 days a year?
So if your PTO was already approved for the rest of the year you are okay. If not you are subject to counseling. It is a means to ding people on aip and raises. As well as ensure there is less payout in the 4 th quarter where they have already taken money from each of our paychecks to ‘ make’ up for the 27 th one
When does the Let’s Give Our Associates the Shaft committee have its next meeting?
My staff now has more pto than me. I’m livid . Here’s 6 weeks but not really ..k just give me back my accrued time please.
So now the My Choice PTO situation is worse than the standard PTO where you can at least carry over 1 week?
Is the discussion intended to humiliate?
@k5 No - you don’t accrue. They are treat It like when you used to get all of your PTO on January 1 . So you don’t have to wait before you use PTO but now they are putting maximum amounts on what was unlimited.
@14n It’s coming out today.
I used to earn 6 weeks PTO. Now my manager is telling me she needs to have a conversation with us if we take more than 4 weeks. My Choice PTO means they want me to take less time and don't want to have to pay us for it. I really hate what this company is becoming. I don't trust a single leader. They question our intelligence by saying this is better for us.
Its not a rumor...you will see it in October.
@10e This could be one of those HR or IT phishing attempts to see who does a search on this topic in Pulse.
Still no email from HR confirming this rumor.
@zw I think, they think, we don’t know how the game is played.
Not only one disgruntled person that knows how little the Directors and VPs work.
Wish they would have to do at least one honest day’s work in their lives. These guys would never survive one week on a farm.
@zq Directors AND VPs don’t really need to take PTO ever because their entire workday is a PTO. They are driving around picking up dry cleaning and running errands, and eating lunch with friends, all while having an ear phones on during their day filled meetings.
The only thing that disturbs their day is when one of “those pesky” employees messages them with a problem. “Oh, good grief! What now?! I am at the golf driving range, for goodness sake!”
@w1 what is a governance meeting if you take 5 weeks entail. Is that where the VP has a "stern" conversation with their Director pal about all the time off they have taken that the VP was well aware of?
@vm I think I would prefer to be Joe.
Bob was being a good steward with his PTO, it seems. But unfortunately the company messed him over bad.
Either it should be limited or unlimited. What is it?. Previously, it was 24 days per year. 2 wellness days.
Now. It is unlimited. But capped at 30 days. No more than 2 weeks continous.
But still i m planning to take 30 days per year.
I think they ought to schedule an hour long meeting at 4:30 on a Friday afternoon to discuss the new policy.
If this actually starts 10/1, they only have 2 days to email those affected. We’ll see.
The updated policy is on the intranet. If you take five weeks u have a "governance meeting" with your manager. Love that they r doing this right before holidays too just to make everyone nervous about taking time off.
@rp
Yes, that’s exactly what they do. You first deplete your now effectively meaningless hours then go to unlimited PTO. But if you had taken those hours already you’d still transition to unlimited. The hours are irrelevant,
Why should you care?
Picture two people. Bob and Joe.
Bob has saved 200 hours and is transitioned to unlimited pto on January first. When he takes PTO the horse will be deducted from his bank until they’re depleted. So, technically he still uses them.
Joe enjoyed his 200 hours before January first. This hasn’t cost him anything because he starts on unlimited PTO on January first anyway.
Bob realizes he should have not saved up the time and should have just enjoyed it.
Look, we all realize what this is: a na--d attempt to remove a liability from the books.