If you got one and refused it, I don't understand you. Centene is a sinking ship. Why you'd choose to stay on with such a good alternative is beyond me.
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@13r - basic sentence structure feels like an attack on your intelligence 🤔. I guess if if ain’t “woke”, don’t fix it.
@131 not you relying on APA style….it’s not a research paper, trying to look smart - the very same thing you are accusing others of doing. People can say whatever they want and you belittling them and accusing them of being “woke” isn’t relevant or even ruffling any feathers.
@v8 - Saying "White" is more proper and accurate than saying "Caucasian" in modern professional and everyday language according to the APA Style. So tired of wokeism and simple people trying to rewrite rules for no reason other than to appear smarter than they are.
@pm Bravo! This is the reason I didn’t accept it. People are also forgetting that we weren’t informed that dates would be pushed back which could’ve given more time for a job search.
@v2 Something disturbs me here and a few things need to be cleared up.
First of all, it is more proper to say “Caucasian” not “white.”
Second of all, when someone in a post says “Indian,” they are not referring to their race but rather the country they are from. So, nothing derogatory about that. I am sure India also has “Caucasian”” or “white” people that live there. Therefore, instead of saying “white” or “Caucasian,” I think you probably should instead be saying “American.”
Third of all, usually in most cases (should be all cases), when someone complains about an Indian taking ivermectin their job, they are mostly upset that the company is displacing actual American citizen workers with non-American citizens. So, once again, not a racial thing. Therefore, please don’t offend “Caucasian” or as you said “white” people. Thanks.
Why are you confused or have a feeling about something that doesn’t affect you? Lol You must be white?
@mc
Most with sense and confidence? What a passive aggressive and short sighted thing to say. If the VSP was right for you, good for you. Every situation is different. If you live in a state where taking a voluntary separation would disqualify you from unemployment and your vsp money runs out before you find another job, you are SOL. That is common sense for those that don't have other sources of income and live in one of those states. You all are acting like the ones who were laid off don't also get a severance. Yes the vsp is 4 longer weeks but they can also supplement with unemployment. I know in some states you can take the vsp and unemployment but that's not all. It wasnt mine. The ones in the best position took the vsp but also found another job already. In that case, yes that's awesome. Otherwise I'm not going to wait for a heavily taxed lump sum to run out and I can't get unemployment. It has nothing to do with confidence. The job market is tough. Some would also rather stay with ongoing income and apply out. These VSP posts keep trying to make people feel bad for not taking it. It's ridiculous.
I contemplated it but due to my age, I didn’t feel finding another good paying job to last until retirement was looking good. Took my chances and still here . . . So far.
@j8 My package was pretty low from some of the other numbers I have seen. I have only been here a few years, and no bonus since I'm under whatever level starts getting that. At ~40% taxed and my state doesn't give unemployment for VSP I would have had about a 2 month buffer and I was afraid I wouldn't have found a job by then. I will say if I knew there would be dates through 2027 I would have considered it more to give me extra cushion to find a job.
@j7 low cost of living (LCOL). Generally a non-coastal state where housing and basic necessities are significantly cheaper than states like California, Texas, or the New England area. My guess would be they are located in the Midwest/Oklahoma area.
Taxed or not, it's still a nice chunk of free money, so being that this employer is a sinking ship anyway, most with sense and self-confidence jumped at the opportunity.
Fear of the unknown is no way to go through life.
Everything's a gamble if you really think about it.
Calculated risk-taking is where it's @.
@j8 I have been here 15 years, do not have a leadership salary but did get a good package. I am a one income family. Very aware the amount will be taxed. But I did find a job already so there is hope for people. And those of us who took vsp took it because we see the oncoming mess, want to jump ship now and hope for the best, and have faith we will prevail. We aren’t acting like vsp was great, we are acting in survival mode. Centene gave us a choice, you chose to stay then great. I chose my future rather than them choose it for me.
What a d-mb question. So many of you act like the VSP was a million dollars. Unless you've been here 15 plus years or have a salary of a senior manager or higher, the VSP wasn't life changing or some big windfall of money nor was it even enough to sustain an entire year of being out of work should you not find anything soon. It will be highly taxed and in some states, it would disqualify you from getting unemployment. Believe it or not, not everyone here as dual incomes, side hustles, or depend on family. It is a big risk to take to leave ongoing income for a heavily taxed lump sum that won't last long. They did not give most people enough time to find another job either before making the decision.
@g8 What us "LCL" ?
@gr well that was my thoughts and guess what ? They did.
@fr Wow, that’s quite a lot of judgment packed into one comment. Apparently you’ve determined that someone is lying about their own physical recovery, that you know their financial situation, and that one difficult birth somehow comes with a crystal ball predicting every future pregnancy and recovery. Impressive.
Women can have complicated pregnancies, recover differently, have circumstances change, and make decisions about their own families without submitting their life plans for your financial audit.
And if the goal was genuinely to express concern about someone’s health or finances, the unsolicited lecture followed by “Bless your heart, Mama” wasn’t exactly necessary. That’s less “helpful advice” and more “I’ve decided I know your life better than you do.”
Have you seen the job market? It's not just Centene. They'll have to force me out.
@gk Agree. @fr was totally out of line.
People bringing children into the world is a blessing! As gar as @fr’s whacked out advice; that is part of the problem with all these corporations. They no longer provide longterm stability for the middle class, only to the rich…or Executives down to Associate Directors. And then they try to tell the middle class to no longer have children. Shame!
@fr the audacity you have to be giving unsolicited advice on someone’s family planning, finances and career choices…who do you think you are?!!
@c2 your blind
@g8 I'm so confused:/
@g0 thank you! What a wild comment with quite a bit of assumptions. Nothing wrong with financially "well off" families not wanting to leave a job for lesser benefits and risk not having a job because they won't qualify for FMLA at a new job.
@fr we have 1 year of both salaries in savings - over 200k in LCL. That being said, anything can happen. Our house could burn down, we live in tornado alley and could have a tornado more than half of the year. Financially, why would I leave a fully paid leave versus 2 weeks unpaid? That's silly.
As far as my birthing experience, plenty of women have perfectly healthy and normal deliveries. Just because my one birth resulted in injuries does not mean subsequent births will.
@fr what a horrid thing to say to someone! Her choices for wanting to have more children, regardless of her finances and past experiences is none of your business. And then the condescending “bless your heart”. Nasty work there!!!
If your last birthing experience was so painful and traumatic that you "physically could not walk for over 3 months", then why did you put yourself through the possibility (getting pregnant again) of having that happen again?
Also if benefits/money are such an issue where it prevents you from jumping ship, is it really wise to keep adding on more dependents for you to be financially responsible, for at least the next 18 years?
I'm all for being a parent if you can afford it (financially, physically, psychologically, etc.) but it's good to know one's limits to lessen the strain and logically know when enough's enough. Look around at the world you're in, what's going on, and your place in it. Children can be a welcome addition, but they can be more of a huge hassle, too. Hard truth.
Bless your heart, Mama.
Because employers don't typically hire pregnant women. If they do, I still leave a 100% paid 3 month maternity leave for an employer that I will not qualify for FMLA and 2 weeks of unpaid maternity leave.
If my delivery was anything like last time, I physically could not walk for over 3 months due to internal trauma during the birthing process. I can't imagine having to drive into work and sit at a desk for 9 hours being in the pain I was in.
Because I rather go down with the ship !!! Everyone has an option and neither is good or bad as everyone has their individual reason …
@b1 I can feel your pain as I was laid off and I’m not a spring chicken
It’s funny that people keep saying it’s a sinking ship. It’s far from sinking. Things are rough right now because of the reorganization but far from sinking.
It has to do with your current age and where you live. Most remote jobs have disappeared. At best it’s hybrid roles. If you’re in a large city with the right skill set you can land a role in 3-6 months. If your severance package lasts that long it might make sense otherwise if you’re not willing to relocate your stuck.
The vsp package will run out eventually and what if you don’t get a job before then?! I love my dept and my team. I love the work I do. Its ok if people want to take the vsp, but don’t belittle or guilt trip those of us who don’t. Its a an individual decision.
Because I’ve been here ten years and not willing to take a 20k or more pay cut, lose all of my hard earned PTO, and try to find a new job in a sinking economy? You may be willing to go take a job cashiering at your local mini mart but I’m not.
Maybe because I am 61 and am already struggling.
Because there's no jobs where I live, remote jobs are few and highly competitive, and I have bills to pay. It's not that difficult to understand.
Because the job market is trash…..because companies ebb and flow. Not everyone had a “good” vsp package - its contingent on years of service.