I've been looking around, and I realized should be paid more for the work I'm doing with my experience. I thought this place was one of the better payers. Was I wrong?
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@jd what tier is the computational team?
In the US in engineering, tier 1 is underpaid and tier 3 is overpaid. 35% difference in the scales.
yep. there also a lot of formerly technical people who let their skills deteriorate as they rest on their laurels. they’re the ones you see complaining about having to take a huge pay cut.
it’s always people without modern skills complaining about bad external pay. always.
I left 3 years ago in a technical discipline and TC went up 40%. The problem is smaller companies want you to actually work not just host workshops and schedule meetings, so most people at Shell are sadly not qualified.
giving schools more money has had zero effect on teacher pay and education quality because “administrators” use it to ride theirselves bonuses for doing nothing
it has zero effect anyway after a certain point. there’s almost no return on $/student after a threshold is met
maybe you should look at some data if you think we’re going to raise taxes and magically it will finally make it to the teachers, or that this would even benefit the kids
Underpaid at Shell, eh? School teachers dealing with under-funded school supplies, rowdy entitled kids, demanding parents and politicians meddling with curriculum would probably disagree, all on a subsistence salary.
The educators would get a kick out of office computer jockeys making $100k-$200k/+ bemoaning how put upon and underpaid they are.
shell has destroyed its credibility in the market as a place you go after 5-10 years or of experience to proudly work for the rest of your career
that much is certain
the trade used to be that you would take just a bit under standard pay for incredible stability and benefits but both are gone. combine that with benefits continuing to shrink every year plus pay and raise freezes and suddenly it becomes clear they Shell will eventually slip into cr-p pay and benefits relative to the market
@bd I would argue that. My new company has better medical and fully cover long term disability vs Shell requiring you cover the difference. Pension is basically the same for new hire and 401k contributions are better until 10 years.
If you look at total compensation packages compared to what's out there then probably not.
@aw the volume of PT JG2 individual contributors is criminal
No. JG 1 / 2 levels doing just fine. Still on the 80pt pension, lifetime medical coverage.
Thank you.
Yep. I was stuck as a JG4 being an individual contributor. I went to another O&G company and became a JG3 equivalent doing the same job I was doing at Shell. The benefits are just the same if not better. The only thing Shell has is the 10% into the 401k at 10 years, but you have to be with Shell for a long time.
The other issue is Shell has been slowing down progressions for several years. Sale of land assets and retaining those office workers meant less opportunities for DW staff to move up. Current DW portfolio seems to be compressing on the horizon. Add on Wael’s compensation compression model (less PSPs, reducing education reimbursement, etc.) creates a very real feeling of compensation stagnation or falling behind. The problem is there aren’t many other places to jump to, so Shell has the upper hand for the time being.
Smaller companies will pay considerably more, but those jobs are hard to come by. You will also give up other auxiliary benefits like pension, paternity leave, etc.
Shell pays well, but is not leading the pack from a compensation perspective. Used to be able to offset that with job stability and pension benefit but that is deteriorating.
@OP if you are in India you are overpaid, in NLnyou are definitely underpayed since Covid times.
No but don’t forget to click underpaid on SPS , closes on the 18th.