July is for sales only, I've heard around 20-30 layoffs
Company retaining most of it's talent , and growing
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@eb are you saying it's not true ?
@db Have you ever thought about getting yourself sectioned?
I've also heard that layoffs will only be sales and only a handful of people in total
All other orgs are hiring
Until the focus shifts away from constant restructuring and productivity theater toward actual operational stability, this cycle of failure and turnover is just going to keep repeating.
When leadership continually guts senior-level talent as an exercise in financial engineering, they eliminate the exact people who understand the complex plumbing of these legacy systems and massive sales and renewal workflows.
@as Completely understand the sentiment.
Between both voluntary and layoffs lately the talents been going.
However from what I can see I don't see OT hiring absolute freshers. Because that's gen z. These folks getting hired have something - surely. Unless it's all nepotism and doesn't matter anyway. Maybe we need to see why all these new and re-hires are failing. Maybe it does end up being better to do more counter offers and stop layoffs. Realistically probably a bit of both.
@b9 As someone who has dealt with absolute f*cka**es of Sales people here:
It is not always Sales.
Why are we supposedly saying we're hiring Sales to lay just them off? Why are they so
Comically
Uninformed on their products sometimes?
Sometimes that's a lack of resources outside of them. That on its own is probably not the problem of nearly everyone here. Well above us. However, in some cases, rather than fight for resources to be independent - I see them clinging to people they shouldn't be. Solutions consultants are there for a reason, you also can go straight to the product manager and ask for more resources or direct questions. My interaction is supposed to be 5 minutes, not having to explain what you sold someone.
Layoffs aside, a good AE can probably get alternative offers. Opentext should not be touching anyone or anything without an increase in resources. A bad AE can be mitigated by a willing consultant. There is an argument on a few questionable decisions OT runs on. I guess if the opinion is a consensus lay off the AE and force the consultant to take it over or resign.
And yeah there's probably very bad Sales folks that are getting carried when they maybe shouldn't. I don't think much comes from it until major accounts or deals get lost. But I only put it on them when they start to double, or even triple down into other tangentially related depts to compensate. The sales folks who make it the wrong team's problem - are probably the ones doing more fumbling. Because that time could have got spent with the 'right' ones who maybe could have salvaged more.
@aw As always, sales are the only people who can be blamed.
Admitting that perhaps, maybe, others might be more to blame just doesn’t happen at OTX. So sales it is.
Right because who needs sales
@ar Yes, but the hires do not understand the products or the industry. So, they are not effective in advancing or even maintaining the product.
Hiring 10 mo--ns does not compensate for the expertise that was lost.
@an hiring is increasing at a rapid scale
@OP This is nonsense, the damage has been done. For some products, much of the talent has been driven off.
For example, Application Security Testing has been gutted and the COE is mostly useless.
The only thing that has constantly grown in OT is Mark B. belly
I've heard only 5 people will be laid off