I’ve noticed about half the posts on this board are people griping about not being able to work from home.
Why are you all so lazy? You guys would’ve struggled to eat in the Rockefeller/Carnegie days.
Stop crying and start working.
Ok, now if you want to go ahead and debate this because you think I’m wrong, I’m all ears. Tell me why I’m wrong and you’re correct both morally and logically.
Hey Old Ge---r, relax buddy. Sorry to tell you that banking is a white collar job. Heck, most the new fangled jobs are the same way. Yes, the good old "blue collar" days where you schlepped into the Rockefeller and Carnegie coal mines to risk life and life for pennies are long gone.
Because smartass I was hired as a remote employee and live an hour from the office. They swept in with FRTO and did not even address the obvious with me.
I work less under RTO. More time in the car, when I'm on site I really don't give an S. In news that would shock the guys in the ivory tower, kicking your people in the junk repeatedly does not improve morale. If they think this company can recover while morale is in the toilet they have another thing coming. Not going to happen. So keep pushing it execs. Might want to start shorting WFC though cause it won't end well.
Idk why so many people are attributing these complex reasons to management. It’s simple, if you are in an area/department that they want attrition in to save severance then expect a crackdown with consequences for non-compliance.
Allowed to WFH more than 3 days? Either large cuts are imminent (i.e. underwriting) and they aren’t going to play chicken to save so little or, you’re not getting cuts now. Once they push you to the 3 days, you’ll know you’re on the clock.
That's pretty funny considering that that's exactly how the company is treating people. Underwriters? 100% WFH. Some parts of tech also. There are many many many exceptions. Not sure why you are pretending that we're all being treated the same under the current rules.
Everyone stops fighting
Charlie will now hire H1b millennials to replace American millennials
This and that generations both qualify welfare while we sneak out your jobs to China young.
Please Charlie... Get off this thread!
: @zyw+1k8h1rtu How things should be and how they are have nothing to do with each other. If you are truly a top performer while working from home you can blame the ones who take advantage when you have to go back.
Different rules for different people based on performance will never work because of the threat of discrimination lawsuits. The company has to treat everyone the same. So we all get to be treated like fu-kups.
It’s just how it is
I was a top performer in WFH mode. There are plenty of people that don't work when at home, but ALL employees should be judged on their work product vs their goals. If it's top notch and the person is WFH, what exactly is the problem again? Specifically? Leadership is focused on things that have nothing to do with the job description / goals or company performance.
Week end troll got you all pretty good today.
Just watch, tonight it'll be the classic, "I was just funning ya" line.
Morally: There's an undertone to the RTO position that somehow masses of WF employees are so lazy and undisciplined that permitting WFH is going to lead to their ruin, as if they are children who can't manage their own lives - and that it's management's obligation and responsibility to save the children from themselves with RTO. If you believe that adults should have responsibility for their own actions, then morally - forced RTO is immoral.
Logically: It's the number one source of dissatisfaction across the entire company. the written comments from the employee survey are clear on that. It doesn't cost the company anything to let managers manage and decide what's appropriate at their level of oversight - hold people accountable for their results and move on. It costs the company nothing to allow this level of discretion for RTO and it's a huge benefit for the recipient/employee. Hold individuals and managers accountable for the quantity and quality of work.
I don't believe it's a matter of "appeal", but more of to "pacify".
Man, if even a democrat doesn’t like the DEI stuff, who the heck are they trying to appeal to? Serious question.
reading many of these responses - I am a boomer and, together with a bunch of other boomers I know, we all love WFH and detest schlepping to the office for no reason whatsoever except to blindly follow a mo--nic rule. . Stop categorizing people. I am also a democrat but like so many of my red teammates I am sick and tired of the constant and overriding DEI agenda around the office.
Why is WFH being equated to being lazy? I know plenty of lazy people that show up to an office or some workplace everyday and don't accomplish a thing all day. I also know very productive people who are just as, if not,
more productive working from home.
If you like going into an office, do that. But, that's not the preference for a lot of people and those people should have the option to work from home.
Modern technology makes working from home possible for many types of jobs. The pandemic proved WFH is possible on a large scale so why not let this be an option for employees that prefer it.
OP, at this point almost all of us have had a taste of free money. It was never supposed to be permanent, but some are having trouble giving up the good life. Who can blame them? Luxury is addictive.
As a former employee of Wells Fargo I do wish to state that it was very stressful being requested/ oh forced yeah, to work late at night after a very long commute to work in the city of Charlotte. As an internal employee a Manager I worked for kept me in the office until around 7:45 PM, with NO dinner of course. Then that Manager told me to drive home and logon to work some more planning to meet with him again upon my return home. My drive home was very long, had to stop at McDonalds for "dinner". You know what I did not have the energy to then log back on to work more that night, getting home at around 8:45 PM and left with all of the undone household chores to do.
Nope I blew the Manager office. Getting close to "bed time". Manager had unrealistic expectations. Then I was expected to be back in the office early
the next day. Same when I was a contractor at Wells Fargo. Different Manager.
“ You guys would’ve struggled to eat in the Rockefeller/Carnegie days.”. That’s exactly the point - those days are over. The new model is less traffic, less drive time, less time getting ready to go into a stagnant uncomfortable building. The new model of WFH assures more productivity and better work/life balance; something that these companies promote but fail at. I am far more productive at home. Im not an old fa-t that does what he is told. Again, the new proven model is WFH!
I disagree completely, most of us are well into our careers and we're at this place because we demonstrated ability to be trusted and not take advantage of the working from home benefit or we accepted that as part of our offer upon hiring, like myself. I never was working in the office and wouldn't have accepted the role if I had to.
You have to understand, times have changed. People have “proven” that they can be just as productive working from home so why should they have to actually go to work?
Especially when nobody notices that their definition of productivity includes child care, errands, home repair projects, laundry, running grandma to doctors appointments and calling in to meetings from the nail salon?
Why shouldn’t they get paid for that?
Sorry you feel that way, Charlie.....
Sounds to me like you’re a lazy boomer.
Go back to slaving away in steel mill for pennies if you have such a hard on for the Carnegie days. Otherwise feel free to pi-s off and acknowledge that times have changed
So, I'm a boomer and totally disagree with OP. If everyone had OP's attitude, we'd all still be using typewriters and punch cards (assuming you would be using a computer). Times change, available tools change, approaches and processes change. It's an individual's ability to adapt to changing times that allows businesses to succeed and grow.
It is preposterous and unproductive to cast aspersions on an entire generation by labeling them as "entitled" based on the actions of a few errant individuals. Simply because a handful of individuals may have expressed a desire to work from home does not necessarily imply that they are indolent or incapable of exerting themselves. The preference for working from home is not a testament to a lack of industry, but rather a recognition of the changing face of employment in the modern world. Many individuals are able to perform their duties with equal proficiency from the comfort of their own homes as they would in a traditional office setting, and for some, the ability to work from home may even augment their productivity.
Furthermore, it is fallacious to compare the current generation to those who lived during the days of Rockefeller and Carnegie. The world has undergone drastic transformations since then, and it is not appropriate to apply the same standards to individuals living in disparate eras and circumstances. The challenges and conditions faced by people today are vastly different from those experienced by their forebears, and it is not reasonable to evaluate them using the same criteria.
Total boomer mentality.
Don’t be mean to the Op guys. Don’t you know, when he was a kid he used to walk to school uphill, both ways…in the snow.
Appreciate all your hard work gramps. We’ll take it from here. Thanks!
Hahaha….ok boomer.