If you don't want to go back in the office, make sure you say you're currently unvaccinated and your not taking that shot either. They have no right knowing your personal medical details either.
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@5wjt+1bhqN5ER “Spastically more lethal”, eh? Maybe it’s your autocorrect that’ll lead to your demise but whatever. Just stop lying. The flu is NOT more lethal than COVID. Not even close.
@4xac+1bhqN5ER Thank you for injecting a sober historical perspective into this discussion. My dad had polio in the 50’s, spending time in an iron lung. He walked with a limp afterwards and died of Parkinson’s Disease which is linked to polio. Are there risks and adverse reactions from vaccines? Yes, but these pale when compared to the godsend they’ve been at avoiding needless deaths and long-term health impacts from horrific illnesses.
There could be some mass delusions going in. A far higher percentage of people who get the flu die than those who get COVID. The reason for the high number of deaths is simply because COVID is more contagious and nobody had resistance against it.
The flu is still spastically far more lethal than COVID19 for percentage of people who get it.
It also gives you the option of "I'd rather not say" ... With a follow up as to whether youb plan to get vaccinated in the future ... Also with a "rather not say" option. I don't share my medical information with anyone besides my doctors.
Sure, my chances of getting very ill from COVID is very low. However, my taking the vaccination will help reduce the chance of the worst symptoms and will also lessen the likelihood that I'll spread it to others.
I don't take the vaccine so much to protect myself. I take it to protect the community. So many of my fellow citizens have fetishized libertarianism, and I just don't get it.
Serious question: how many of you guys take experimental dr-gs to minimize the effects of other diseases? And how many of those other diseases are as low risk as COVID for your age group?
Asking about your vaccination status is NOT a HIPPA issue.
So many folks with legal advise, so few law school grads here.
Your employer can ask and can require you to get a jab.
The OP is doing that thing that folks on that side of the aisle do, lie if they don't like something, The folks who whine about honor the most are the least honorable.
If you live in an older part of the country, go to a graveyard and see how many children used to die prior to about 1950.
Get your shots and stop being scared of the very science that allowed most of us to live past five years old.
Post ID: @4esw+1bhqN5ER
You're not wrong. Everyone will be vaccinated eventually - either by choice or by circumstance. Circumstance comes with no guarantees how bad it will be or when it will strike but as the delta variant spreads, I guess we'll find out. In time the R-nought value will drop below 0.8 and it will stop spreading.
It is true that the vaccine doesn't "prevent" transmission if "prevent" means 100% not possible to transmit.... If you are vaccinated you can still carry the virus and shed it. The ease and therefore rate of transmission depends on "viral load" in the mucous membranes of the nasal passages as well as environmental factors like proximity, air circulation etc. Even before the vaccine was developed, viral load had been identified as a key lever in transmission rates. This is the way all colds and flus work as well in terms of transmission, which can and does create asymptomatic contagion, as well as the conventional wisdom (which is actually based in the aforementioned science about viral load) that once someone is well on their way symptomatically they are no longer as contagious.
What has been determined is that in vaccinated population, viral load is greatly reduced in asymptomatic carriers, and so likelihood of transmission is greatly reduced. Not eliminated, but significantly lower. this has been seen in "closed" populations like nursing homes where they are still testing staff daily despite being fully vaccinated because of the continued vulnerability of the population.
It's a virtuous cycle... more people vaccinated, less likely to get sick themselves, and far reduced risk for those not yet vaccinated. That's the science and logic behind "herd immunity" as well.
@4vhn+1bhqN5ER is that what Uncle Klaus is telling our leaders to do?
Nope, the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It does make the symptoms less severe. Read your science.
Still get the vaccine, though.
New COO survey: Do you plan on taking the mark of the beast?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hipaajournal.com/is-it-a-hipaa-violation-to-ask-for-proof-of-vaccine-status/amp/
If an employer asks an employee to provide proof that they have been vaccinated in order to allow that individual to work without wearing a facemask, that is not a HIPAA violation as HIPAA does not apply to most employers.
HIPAA has nothing to do with whether an employer can ask you for your vaccination status... so those who are claiming "HIPAA violation" - that's flat out incorrect.
Employers can ask. Just like all other personal information they have about you, there are certain obligations for them to hold that as confidential.
Employers can mandate disclosure of vaccination status. In banking, Goldman Sachs has mandated it. You have to enter it into a system of record and there are consequences for not doing it.
Employers can mandate vaccinations. Some challenges will work their way through the courts but there's plenty of precedent. Only about 10% of companies surveyed said they plan to do so at present. As the vaccines move from emergency FDA authorization to full authorization, that number will go up.
At least WF has made a statement that they are not mandating vaccinations and have no plans to. That could change down the road of course.
Thinking that not answering the survey or answering that you aren't going to get the vaccine at all is going to delay or stop RTO - that's wishful thinking. They're using the information for planning how to best/most safely return to office... not whether it will happen or not.
They can ask as they provide the health insurance and are self insured…..
The company can figure out who got the shot percentage wise by asking our insurance companies. My health insurance company has a tab on my personal access file with the information.
Refer Powell to the the Privacy Act 1988 and cc your lawyer.
This is the class action lawsuit opportunity for which we have been waiting.
So I got a new job (yay!) outside WF. The head of HR has televised group meetings for all employees to talk about the go back to work issue. They take questions and give thoughtful, respectful answers. The conclusion is that most employees can work a hybrid schedule, coming in to the office 2 days and the rest at home. And they give reasons for their decisions. Night and day compared to WF and their "take it or leave it" attitude.
Here's how I see this working out, especially if masks won't be required. Since vaccines don't prevent COVID and only lessen the severity of its symptoms, the unvaccinated will be picking up the virus from the vaccinated, but some of them will end up getting really, really sick.
Oh, how the turntables...
Schools require proof of vaccination, right? Right?! I mean, do you really want your kid exposed to whooping cough?
Yeah. Just say no and you people can wfh forever? Dream on.
EEOC doesn't make law, they are only tasked with applying law to prevent discrimination. So yeah, they can say whatever they want, the courts will be the ones that decide. For an actual vaccine, employers can require them, for something that isn't a vaccine and doesn't prevent transmission, probably not. Either way, the company has already said they won't be required.
@1hot I don't expect them to care what employees want, that's been clear for a lot longer than Scharf has been around.
If more people tell them they're unvaccinated then the mask policy probably remains longer. That's a good thing. Poisoning their data well is an effective strategy to muck up their decisions making. Regardless if it does, or doesn't, change the RTO strategy. It still has the chance to adjust their decision-making in other ways.
BTw, asking for proof of vaccination does not violate HIPA, nor does not hiring you or even cutting you loose violate any laws: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210601/eeoc-says-employers-can-require-covid-19-vaccination
Some people just throw out terms and laws and understand zero about what it actually means...
You are very mistaken if you Think saying your not vaccinated will keep us from going back in the office. That is happening. This is to determine what procedures (masks) & office changes need to be done for when we are back.
@tlo+1bhqN5ER - You are under the strange illusion that they give a sh-t about what employees think. They don't care one bit and will make their own decisions, regardless of the responses to this survey. This is just their way of trying to make you feel like you have input into the process and an influence on the decision. You don't.
@1qkx+1bhqN5ER - Doubtful. I got the vaccine on two different days but there was no way in he-l I was logging time to tell the company I got it. Firm NO on taking the survey as well!
who cares about this survey, I have been working in a branch the whole time. We have had our doors open since Aug 2020
I have the vaccine. I don’t care if others do or do not. I’d prefer to work from home but if I go back to the office I don’t want this random squatters rights joke happening. I k is chainsaw feels it’s cool but it sucks.
I also think our overpaid COO needs more duties than issuing a monthly templates memo. This dude is a joke. No wonder his past companies are all mired in sewage.
This is a one question survey. Please answer honestly. I hope they use this information to determine seating arrangements. I don't want to work near a lot of unvaccinated folks. I have a family member with a weakened immune system. I don't want to bring a variant home and possibly make them sick.
Please be kind to others.
Post ID: @1quh+1bhqN5ER
So you work in a cube but you're secretly an employee relations lawyer? Interesting. 172 million folks have been vaccinated in the US alone so they have plenty of data for the FDA process which I believe has already started. Your semantics are entertaining but by September when we go back to the office, they'll likely be irrelevant.
So many internet tripe comments in here. Vaccinated people care if unvaccinated people get the vaccine because the unvaccinated will continue to pass the virus around giving it a chance to again change into something that the vaccine maybe wont effect. It has changed several times already.
@1quh+1bhqN5ER - sounded like a true id--t
These “vaccines” have no FDA approval. They do have “emergency approval” to be used. Therefore they do not qualify as a vaccine a company can require, like smallpox or polio.
Powell is a corrupt suckhole. Send him to my cube and he & I will talk this out. He won’t like the ending.
Y'all best take your medicine and get back in that office.
Oh come on, it even said in the email that Wells Fargo will not require employees to be vaccinated.
The minute you let them know you have had the shot then there are no more questions. They are strictly tabulating the overall number who have had it already. Beyond that are assumptions.
They gave everyone 8 hours of PTO to use to get the vaccine (4 hrs for the 1st, 4 hrs for the 2nd) I'm sure they can look at the PTO records and get a pretty close count. (sure some took the PTO and didn't get the vaccine but I bet they would get better data by just checking the PTO)
Really don't know why waste money on a survey. Under the ADA VIi employee's may be exempt from a vaccine for religious reasons or if it would cause an allergic reaction. If you are not vaccinated just take your pick they cannot ask for medical records.
Nothing receives more downvotes here than the truth.