Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Here is a truncated list of so-called trends in banking that were an awesome idea until they weren’t, and are now dead or outlawed

1. NINJA loans
2. Reordering transactions to maximize overdraft fees
3. Open office space
4. Sending credit bills one day before payment is due
5. Retroactive interest rate increases

Imagine being so ignorant you think VM is the answer. Go to the real world where it's been implemented. Applications don't run as they should. Applications on VMs crash or create data concurrency issues. Just because you read the VDI brochure does not make you a VM expert.

I’m not especially fired up about the mobile device business if I have a phone alternative and a soft token alternative, I won’t be using a personal iPhone. This company has shown many times that it is not worthy of any level of trust.

As for the bring your own laptop, that’s a non starter. If some people want to do it, fine. But telling employees they will need to go a buy a laptop because the bank is too cheap to provide one is the end of the line. I cannot do my job on my iPad and I don’t think I should be buying a laptop in addition to proving my own office space, network connection and peripherals. If employees don’t start objecting, soon they will start charging you seat licenses for software that you need and deduct your portion of the office electric bill from your paycheck. Anything will start to seem normal because some other company did it and well that’s the trend.

Great moves folks! Refusing to adapt and use your own device will put you in the firing line. They can’t force it but if your boss can’t get a hold of you he/she will begin to go elsewhere for info.

Wake up folks! It’s 2020 and BYOD is here.

Have you mo–ns even read the agreement?

It clearly states they own whatever is in the Blackberry container and will validate OS and app release info to ensure you have the latest.

I’ve been on the BYoD since I started and can’t even figure out how to get a doc on to my phone. It prompts for another bb app.

They do not have any software on the phone that allows for remote takeover or wiping(except the blackberry container)

I’ve been doing BYOD at various orgs since 2014. Most orgs have abandoned company devices years ago. Some provide stipends some don't.

You're an id–t if you want to carry two phones.

As for bring your own PC. That is a trend as well. Many orgs are moving people over to vm’s that can be connected to from anywhere. Imagine the cost savings of not having to provide laptops to people that basically check email, use office and login to other apps. Think about all the work that goes into providing laptops for consultants/contractors. A VM can be spun up and Automatically provisioned in seconds.

Imagine being able to do that quick task without having to return home and boot your work laptop. With a VM you could login in from your phone, do the two minutes of work and log off.

If you had an internet connection and a verification app on your phone you would be able to access your VM from anywhere. Huge win.

Will al employees have the option of BYOD, or does this only apply to positions who currently have WF devices? Personally, I’d love it. I’ve felt completely behind the curve, with non-WF peers having access to email without lugging a laptop around 24/7.

What's rather funny is for years the policy has been no work related stuff on personal devices. then BYOD came about and soon desktop too. Granted, this is all running in containers and/or VDI so it's "safe".

Better to work for a company that’s making cash instead of losing it.

It is not just for technology- you’ll get a notice after your current phone contract expires

First it was the jetpacks, now it is iPhones. I will not BYOD, I guess my iPhone contract expiration date is also my "Find new job" by date.

BYOD gives them access to everything on your personal phone. It’s in the agreement. 10/10 would not recommend from a privacy standpoint.

This must going on with just EIT. I didn’t get any announcement and didn’t know they were exempting CA people, thanks to the helpful person that clarified that point.

That seems really unfair, it’s basically a pay cut for everyone affected. It’s way more expensive to provide a cubicle than a laptop.

I will opt out.

Nope. Not participating in those reindeer games. Will enjoy my evenings, weekends and PTO without stagecoach interruptions.

The announcement we received said this change would not apply to international employees and California employees.

It clearly exempts ca employees, sheesh.

Unless California law has changed, employers are required to compensate employees when they use their own equipment including phones and computers.

Are they going to lay-off everyone in CA or just go ahead and get sued?

Yep; if you work from home you should hit those Black Friday sales and get something decent to prepare for providing your own computer sometime next year. On the upside, while this does s—, it will help with efficiency savings and hopefully less people that get reduced.

They keep going back and forth on corporate devices so the wind has shifted once again.

I won’t do BYOD. My personal phone is my personal phone and is my private property.

So if you don’t have a laptop of your own... then does the bank expect you to buy your own laptop to use for work?

Boom! SVB just stated that the direction is for remote workers to use their own PCs to access WF networks.

Oh. Heck. No.

I will not conduct business on my personal phone. Good riddance, now I will work 9-5.

Don't do this.

It's not about the bank spying on you, which they will do no matter what some folks claim*, it's about your personal device becoming evidence in some lawsuit or criminal trial.

Don't do this.

*They will most certainly track your movements at a minimum.

I will; have a Corp device now and it’s convenient to have if I have An appointment or errand to run and can still respond to emails or IM. I’ll just wait till they make me do the switch, whenever that may be

I’ll happily turn in my phone when the contract is up. I won’t participate in byod. It will be nice to have work/life balance.

I remember about 4 years ago during a town hall upper management being totally against BYOD, but now to be cheap they're all over it.

You are the naive one - they can and do confiscate....

Folks, stop being stupid. They only have access to the BlackBerry container. The only thing Big Brother is that they require you to keep your iOS and BB app up to date per Enterprise Mobility.

Besides, with the BB app, I can run errands during the day and be accessible.

They can confiscate so the previous poster is wrong - read the contract you signed - and they can take your entire phone and personal history...

It’s true I was told on a call. I don’t think I’m up for it other than phone calls. When I went to set up BYOD last year, a Tech Connect associate sagely warned me that it could be seized out of the blue & that it wasn’t a great idea to do it. I decided to heed that advice, even though it’s a pain to log on just to look at calendar.

Thank you @ebv+16FCBani please read the agreement. It's only the apps they will have access to or 'confiscate'. Will they track you? I don't think you are that important if you are spending time on this website especially out of 270k employees. If you commit a crime using the phone then yes you are traceable by law enforcement but that is true whether you have downloaded corporate apps or not. I don't think it's a big deal EXCEPT for the additional data charges you may incur.

Where did you hear about this? I carry 2 phones and would love to not have to anymore.

Don't do it (BYOD). If you are in an area or function that becomes part of a lawsuit/investigation your phone is a discoverable/subject to confiscation item. You can bank on it (see what I did there?) that a plaintiff's attorney will look at EVERYTHING on your device.

The phone they gave me to carry is for their convenience not mine. They can have it back and like the OP, I will not do any work engagement after I log off each day and weekends.

I read that they can confiscate your device. I don’t want them tracking my every move, or having spyware to see what else I’m up to. I won’t have a work phone.

I'll end up getting my own phone. I don't carry two phones today. I understand why they're doing it – all about costs – but it s—s. So I'm expected to use my personal phone for work? I need access to my calendar etc

What is even more BS is this concept that we may have to get/use our own hardware for remote work (and I think in the office too). Again, I'm supposed to use my own hardware for work? F**k, do I have to buy it from the company store too?

Keep in mind, this is just one more thing for them to cut costs and take things away from employees. Health insurance goes up every year with large deductibles. They got rid of contributing to cash balance plan. They got rid of stock options for many levels that used to get them.

Meanwhile, how many new layers of management at pretty senior levels did we add over the past few years?

I don't plan on using my personal phone other than for phone calls. Wait until they require you to provide your own computer!

The only access they have to your personal device is what is in the container. They cannot confiscate your phone as the only work related data is in the container they already have access to. A lot of companies have gone to BYOD. I have been BYOD for years and I like it much better than carrying two phones. If anything BYOD is actually less "big brother" and affords you more privacy.