Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Nah- just tell em you only have a land line . They can’t make you buy a cell to work there.

Wells upper managers are charged with cutting costs. They have done so without a lot of thinking. Wells can expense the phones while employees have to pay with after tax money. Some sensitive positions must be able to communicate while travel. Wells ceo got huge raise praising his navigation through fake account cr-p. A group of compliance managers in a region that had zero fraud has had had wages reduced. This because growth goals not met. He-l if you keep closing branches there will not be growth. ceo job easy if your a wordsmith and upper mgrs su-k, so they cut costs regardless of negative impacts. There would not have been fake scandal if all acted ethical like the group being treated poorly with reduced pay. Argument for unionizing PRIVATE companies.

@7qrib+16FCBani
I won't be answering on my commute. My workday begins exactly at my normal start time, and ends exactly at my end time when I am not WFH. No calls before or after hours at all anymore.

Once I lose my phone, not regulated they just have not gotten around to gathering our group up yet, I will be only available when sitting in front of my computer. I am not installing anything on a personal device for My employers benefit without compensation. I am especially not going to risk one of my knucklehead acquaintances answering my personal cellphone thinking it’s someone they know and it’s an important client.

It will give me some personal time back, because there will be no reaching me on PTO or when I’m out to lunch. Or on my commute.

@7qlyi+16FCBani
You're going to see a push for registering the device as BYOD if you want to receive work calls on it. If you're using a personal land line, that will be under scrutiny as well-although there wouldn't be many cases of people having a personal land line these days.

As always it’s overreaction here.

Keep your personal cell phone and land line. Don’t install any Wells products on it. Answer calls and texts. That’s being a team player without the objectionable spyware aspects.

There is also a big push first half of next year to re-classify lots of people to become non-regulated.

@7pkso+16FCBani
Most people have already surrendered their phones. 75% or so already. But some business units have regulated employees and due to those regulations they don’t have to give theirs up yet. CA employees too, due to laws in that state. But it is only a matter of time. The push of Jabber and the removal of desk phones was a big step. Once we go to BYOEverything it will most likely signal the end of cell devices across the board.

Any updates on when they are moving forward with the complete BYOD. They haven’t even gotten around to taking our phones yet and it seems like they have gone radio silent on WAVE.

They are so cheap here, very pathetic.

@7oeqg+16FCBani
It's not BE. It's the former Good Mobile software, rebranded. BE was a whole different - in a bad way - product we used at one time.

It's a joke that any one still uses Blackberry Enterprise. So many other, better options out there. WF will probably discover that when everyone else has moved on to something else.

@7otec+16FCBani
This is an old post. BYOD has been common for months in most LOBs. CA residents are exempt along with some LOBs - usually regulated ones. You are not required tot urn over your phone in the event of a legal issue. They only have permissions to the Blackberry app and that data, not to your personal phone or apps outside of Blackberry apps. That is one benefit to doing BYOD. It's in the agreement you agree to when first setting it up.

Soon it will be BYO everything.

Is BYOD even necessary with RTO? At any rate, if they make me run a client on my home PC, I'm buying a special barebones one that won't have any of my personal data on it.

And as for cell phone? He-l no. Imagine if there were a lawsuit (they're not uncommon) and you had to surrender your personal phone.

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If you have a corporate phone and are on legal hold, you have to follow special procedures to mail it to a specific person. If having access to Blackberry was enough, they wouldn’t need the phone.

I will not do it, and neither is anyone that I work for. I have no office number anymore (that’s a funny story too) so if I stay at WF, I’ll likely activate an old iPhone on my personal phone plan so I have a different work number and stand alone device. I’m definitely not giving clients my work number and I’m not risking any shenanigans due to the bank’s problems. That’s worth $10 a month.

I opted for BYOD a few years ago to stop dealing with having two phones. It's been fine. BYOD agreement gives WF rights to any container apps and the device profile (OS version, model, that kind of thing). I've been involved in the mobility program for years and that's how these systems work.

@1yrh+16FCBani Those surveys always worded questions to get the most positive responses possible. What makes you think the new ones will be any different?

Not once in 2+ decades have I seen one of those surveys ask for an honest assessment.

Read the BYOD fine print carefully and you will see the company may access data on your device which may include personal data. They want to eliminate the expense of paying $13 per month for the device, data is free but voice outside of M2M, nights and weekends are 4 cents a minute. The iPhone is 100% free from the carrier.

My rule is that you can call me but only on your cell. I use the data for emails.

not sure if I will; have a corp device now and haven't been told to turn it in just yet. will wait it out and see what happens but as others have mentioned there's some (limited) risks in using your personal phone with the BYOD program. figure they'll want us all using Skype for business soon anyway. maybe I'll get better work life balance without the BYOD. I certainly won't be as available "after hours".

@1sep - don’t be a mo–n! We are not talking about having a Blackberry. The app is made and released by blackberry.

To the others that say this is the final straw and you are leaving. Oh the irony. Nearly every company does BYOD now. Fools!

Please stop telling us about how you can protect your antiquated Blackberries.

Most of the world has moved off that platform and have very valid concerns......

Hey - I've been paying for my own second phone just for conference calls since I started 4 years ago. My manager would never approve the phone, just avoided the subject. Yet a brand new employee 3 months ago was able to get one.

I will not pay for a phone that WF can control by BYOD, and view anything that's on it. I don't care if it is more convenient to check emails when away from the office. I'll bring a laptop along before I do that.

My phone number is always listed in Skype and on my profile, there is no excuse for anyone, especially my manager, to say they couldn't get in touch with me.

Yeah, did that "bring my own laptop" to a contract once several years ago - I needed to completely erase and restore my hard drive several times, their software messed it up so horribly.

If they can find a way to isolate a tunnel to a VDI without touching anything else on a personal laptop, then fine. But if they are going to consider my personal laptop as another BYOD, then no. been there, done that, didn't buy the t-shirt.

Remember the Gallup surveys we used to have to take..."Do you have the tools you need to do your job?" Talk about a resounding "no" after this new policy, and policies expected in the near future!

Absolutely not BYOD. If WF wants me accessible 24x7 then they can furnish the d@mn devices.

15 years of internal investigation experience before coming here. Will definitely be opting out. Can’t unsee all the c-ap I’ve seen that got swept up from people’s BYOD devices even with things like search terms. Also wondering if people ever considered how easy this would now make it to leak customer data without being traced. Screenshot anyone? So much for better risk management

I would think anyone currently on legal hold would also have to wonder how BYOD would/could impact their device down the line. Usually, everyone should be fine, but Wells hasn't been trustworthy for years

Oh, so we’re just supposed to believe that WF in general suddenly doesn’t lie, about matters small and large. OK, yeah.

It states in the agreement straight out that they have access to device information, it isn’t particularly specific. I have no reason to believe the random assurances or insults of anonymous Internet posters. When SVB countersigns the agreement with many more specifics, I’ll believe it’s a rational choice. Until then, no thanks.

The amount of misinformation about BYOD is astounding. I'm surprised some of you even know how to work a phone. Let alone a big scary laptop.

BYOD - the company has NO access to your personal data, files, apps, etc. They have access to the Blackberry apps, and can wipe the Blackberry apps remotely - leaving the rest of your device and files intact.

Don't freak out over things you obviously know nothing about.... Geez...

Edit, in the office they will have little VDI consoles to use, you will not bring your own device there. However if you want to work remote you will need a device/laptop/desktop.

Listen again. In one breath he says BYOD does not extend to laptops. 5 minutes later (exaggerating probly) he talks about how there will be no more corporate laptops or desktops and you will log into a vsi session wherever you are. How do you think he expects you to hit this VDI without a corporate device? Yep your own BYOD device...

Hey, I'm @kjv, the previous poster, and I should have made it clear my time with the company lawyers was at previous employers, not Wells.

I work in a differnt part of IT here.

On today's Ask Me Anything, Saul said BYOD does not include laptops.

Just IPhones and IPads, and I'm sure he meant to include other brands.

Any IT people posting here? Because there's a lot of uninformed opinions being thrown around.

Yes the government can confiscate your phone if your part of an area of the bank that's still doing crimes.

You know what lawyers call email and text and phone records? Evidence. I used to spend hours with the corporate lawyers telling them what they could and could not have from our systems, because they ask for everything.

And you do not need to be part of the crime to get caught up in the investigation.

And of course the app will track you, no matter what the EULA says.

Apps track phones. The end.

And eventually the app will have a bug that will leak data. Or it will be a new "feature".

Because that's what apps do. The end.

I used to have a nice older lady who told me she should have admin access to her work laptop because "I've been electronic since 1984".

Never trust your phone, even if you think you have nothing to worry about, and if you do opt in at least don't fool yourself.

@cnx

Some people don’t have a laptop. We use a tablet and smartphone for personal use.

I heard California is not affected

I am FURIOUS about this. They want me to pay for an expense they should be paying for when I conduct WF business. No.

I will not be giving out my personal cell phone number to thousands of employees and potentially customers. I’ve had a corporate phone for 10 years and appreciate the distinction between my personal life and work life.

My manager is angry about this too and is fighting the fight for my team.

This was the final straw for me. I was casually looking for work elsewhere for a while. No longer casually.

Bye.

@kwe+16FCBani Read the email, there are exemptions, CA employees are one of them.

To anyone freaking out about using your own PC to connect there's a cheap and simple solution.

Download Virtualbox, install a copy of W10 on it that you only use for connecting to the WF network. That way if they ask for your device as part of a lawsuit all you have to do is give them the virtual machine image. If you do this right it will have zero personally identifiable information and only a history of connecting to work.

They would have no reasonable claim to your actual hardware and everything on it.

The leadership is bringing these policies from JPM, where BYOD was required, with extremely limited exceptions. Corporate cell phones were never a big thing there, but corporate laptops were largely eliminated several years ago. Same with VDI, which was very buggy at first but works well now. People complained about it, but the message was pretty much “deal with it”.

BofA cancelled their BYOD program last year.