Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Cutting costs, cutting jobs, and laying off workers, all with the new Austin digital campus. - Just the facts

MH is known for one thing; reducing employee costs. The symbolic opening of the "Class of Campus" in Austin with room for 10,000 workers is the sign of what is to come at Oracle.

https://www.builtinaustin.com/2018/03/23/oracle-new-austin-office

On Thursday night, Oracle hosted the grand opening of its spacious new southeast Austin office, which has room for up to 10,000 employees.

If Oracle reaches that number, the Redwood Shores, CA-based company would become one of the largest digital tech employers in Austin.

“Oracle is expanding in Austin to attract, hire and train the best talent to support the unprecedented growth of our cloud business,” said Oracle CEO Mark Hurd in a statement. “This campus will help enable our customers to accelerate their Oracle Cloud adoption and drive success.”

The picture shows LE and MH symbolically cutting the ribbon with the Oracle Logo Trade mark with a large pair of scissors. This picture is really important. Take a look.

https://cdn.builtinaustin.com/sites/www.builtinaustin.com/files/styles/ckeditor_optimize/public/inline-images/oracle%20fb.jpg

Its shows that LE has bought in full with MH and his philosophy, he and MH are holdingthe scizzors together as they make a deep cut. What is that philosophy? Replacing expensive "Mercenaries" professionals with high 6 figure salaries with low to mid 5 figure salaried college grads. The cutting of the ribbon for the new campus ushers in the final phase of cutting costs at Orac .. the "LE" just got cut off. All hail the new Orac. We saved also saved some ink on printing with the new name, as we are about to drop a huge number of seasoned employees.

Sales and customer experience will be the focal point of Oracle’s new Austin site, and feature a program that hires and trains recent college graduates called “Oracle Digital Class Of.”

The company will also locally launch its Next Generation Contact Center (NGCC), a customer experience initiative that automates administrative tasks to smooth out the sales process, as well as Oracle’s first U.S.-based Startup Cloud Accelerator program.

What is MH philosophy? What is the plan? Its simple. Lets look at the past. Hurd was CEO of NCR, then HP and now Oracle. What is his mode of operation?

At HP MH had a reputation for aggressive cost-cutting. He laid off 15,200 workers — 10% of the workforce — shortly after becoming CEO. Other cost-cutting includes reducing the IT department from 19,000 to 8,000, reducing the number of software applications that HP uses from 6,000 to 1,500, and consolidating HP's 85 data centers to 6. During the 2009 recession, MH imposed a temporary 5% pay cut on all employees and removed many benefits.

At Oracle he closed all but one of Sun's data centers and laid of the majority of the Sun development and sales staff earlier this fiscal year. Conservative reports on this site by "T.I." have the layoff total FY18 YTD at 8,680, and since 6/1/2016 18,680.

Do the math at HP:

We have a total of over 25,000 at HP. Another 10,000 were let go due to a plan MH put in place before he was fired by the HP Board.

Doing the math on Oracle:

The remaining 640 Million in cash payments at 57% of the layoff total with FY18 YTD at 8,680 we can expect the number of employees to be let go in FY18 to be 8,680/.57 = 15,228. From 6/1/2016 to FY18 we had about 10,000. That brings the total number of employees to 25,000 (10,000+15228) at Oracle as well.

If we combine the two companies MH is directly responsible for cutting 50,000 jobs at two major US companies in less than a decade.

The article below sums up MH his philosophy and turned out to be a very good predictor of what is happening now.

https://www.datamation.com/columns/article.php/3902836/Why-Mark-Hurd-is-a-Bad-Match-for-Oracle.htm

At both NCR (where Hurd was before HP) and HP, he cut expenses to extremes while working to increase his own income. This gets the financials in line and few acquiring companies look at morale as a unique problem and anticipate it in any case. Once the sale is done, the Hurd-like executive moves on to the next project and the lack of employee loyalty becomes someone else’s problem to solve. It is one of the most lucrative types of jobs in the industry but it takes a relatively heartless person to do it because of the adverse impact on employees.

NCR had been sold previously, and the result for the old AT&T was so bad that the acquisition was reversed. This means it would be difficult to sell again. And while it seemed likely that Dell at one point would buy them, that never happened.

HP wasn’t looking to be packaged for sale but Hurd packaged them anyway. He made the firm vastly more valuable to a buyer but stripped out much of HP’s R&D and employee loyalty to get it there. In effect to gain short-term advantages, which is consistent with a sale strategy, Hurd traded off long-term success. This showcased Hurd, after the fact, to be the wrong guy for a CEO job at a company that wasn’t planning to be sold.

The 10Q tells the real story of what is happening now, the biggest layoff in a decade at Oracle is coming this summer May 31 2018. @SjU3ajk nailed it.

The 10Q paints a true an accurate picture of the layoffs at Oracle reported to the federal government, specifically to the UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION.

http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/d68e7357-e1ab-40fe-88ba-56d6b1f79f76.pdf

On Page 16 in plain "English"... The "Cash Payments" column has to match the "Total Expected Program Costs" column. Accounting is pretty simple, in the end the debits and credits have to equal.

Look at the cash totals on Total restructuring plans (in millions) its $(22) adjustments plus $(452) or $(474) total cash pay out. Total Plan is 1114 Million. The total remaining is 1,114 - 474 = 640.

We have 640M in severance packages to be delivered by end of Q4 FY18. That date is May 31 2018. In simple terms 640M / 1114M = 57%. More than half the layoffs for the FY17 restructuring plan have yet to come. Everything combined that happened this fiscal year since May 31 2017 is less than half of what we will see in the next two months.

That 57% is the part that is getting cut by the end of Q4. If you would like to know what will happen at Oracle after all this takes place, then take a look at NCR and HP. They never recovered. The stock crashed. I'd expect the same. He has traded off long-term success for short term gains.

The Austin campus is the crown jewel of the short term MH philosophy. Hire college kids, give them 5 weeks of training and let go the seasoned people. Its happening right now. We have 640 million in severance packages to be paid out to those seasoned professionals before the fiscal year end of FY18 on May 31 2018.

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Post ID: @OP+Sm4jhmi

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This is good information to have. The 10K is the annual report... from reading the FY 2017 quarterly and annual reports we can see a disturbing trend of severance packages being paid out way back to FY2015.

Basically MH has been hard at work quietly laying off people for several years. Oracle should be pretty much drained of seasoned professionals by the class of strategy rolled out in 2013.

FY 2017 (Q1) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $112, Cash Paid - $50, Expected - $502

FY 2017 (Q2) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $202, Cash Paid - $113, Expected - $502

FY 2017 (Q3) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $363, Cash Paid - $198, Expected - $615

FY 2017 (Q4) 10K Totals: Accrued - $463, Cash Paid - $???, Expected - $???


FY 2018 (Q1) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $609, Cash Paid - $141, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q2) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $902, Cash Paid - $317, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q3) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $1,002, Cash Paid - $422, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q4) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $???, Cash Paid - $???, Expected - $???

2017 Q1: http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/92af86ae-5e10-4b72-bfb9-acd3ab26a627.pdf

2017 Q2: http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/8934c6dc-3531-413d-ad80-99beacd338ba.pdf

2017 Q3: http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/fef4f701-cfb5-435a-9074-d400cbfda7a5.pdf

2017 Q4 (10K) http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/05215062-8f4e-4311-8d1f-5cfc40237a9b.pdf

Restructuring expenses in fiscal 2017 primarily related to our 2017 Restructuring Plan. Restructuring expenses in fiscal 2016 primarily related to our 2015

Restructuring Plan, which is complete. Restructuring expenses in fiscal 2015 primarily related to our 2015 Restructuring Plan and our 2013 Restructuring Plan,

which is also complete. Our management approved, committed to and initiated these plans in order to restructure and further improve efficiencies in our operations.

The total estimated restructuring costs associated with the 2017 Restructuring Plan are up to $889 million and are recorded to the restructuring expense line item

within our consolidated statements of operations as they are incurred. The total estimated remaining restructuring costs associated with the 2017 Restructuring Plan

were approximately $403 million as of May 31, 2017 and the majority of the remaining costs are expected to be incurred through the end of fiscal 2018. Our

estimated costs are subject to change in future periods. We may incur additional restructuring expenses in future periods due to the initiation of new restructuring

plans or from changes in estimated costs associated with existing restructuring plans.

Here are the yearly layoff totals in millions.

2017 $463

2016 $458

2015 $207

Real question is... is there follow on restructuring plans? Or will any old timers be left to care?

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Post ID: @2cdz+Sm4jhmi

Guess it's a race

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Post ID: @2udi+Sm4jhmi

10-K?

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Post ID: @2myk+Sm4jhmi

You guys missing the cash paid already in 2016-2017 already as part of the "Total Fiscal 2017 Oracle Restructuring Plan"

They already paid out $309 mil in 10-K of 2017

http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/05215062-8f4e-4311-8d1f-5cfc40237a9b.pdf

So roughly $309 + 422 = 731 so 1114 - 731 = 383. Also note they don't need to pay out all in Q4. Even in 10-K of 2017 they had charges from the 2015 restructuring.

Granted they all will be incurred eventually so that much is likely true.

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Post ID: @2awx+Sm4jhmi

so it will be ...

On the line titled "Total Fiscal 2017 Oracle Restructuring Plan"

We will look at totals Accrued, Cash Paid, and Planned (in Millions)

FY 2018 (Q1) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $609, Cash Paid - $141, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q2) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $902, Cash Paid - $317, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q3) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $1,002, Cash Paid - $422, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q4) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $1,114, Cash Paid - $534, Expected - $1,114

Not good news because there is $112 Million still to be paid out and it will be paid out Q4, but it wont be a horrendous layoff. What is said here though is true. 1.14 Billion was paid out over the past two years and about 25,000 people will have lost their jobs only to be replaced by College Graduates.

This is bad for the shareholder, the customer and the employees. The only person who benefits from this is MH. It should be criminal to do what he does.

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Post ID: @2tht+Sm4jhmi

On page 15:

We recorded $516 million of restructuring expenses in connection with the 2017 Restructuring Plan in the first nine months of fiscal 2018 and we expect to incur the majority of the estimated remaining $112 million through the end of fiscal 2018.

Its just $112 Million to go. The 10Q is confusing and the table is like a highschool student put it together on a spreadsheet. Nothing is defined well.

http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/d68e7357-e1ab-40fe-88ba-56d6b1f79f76.pdf

It looks like the march total was $105 million. Which is significant, but no one reported anything.

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Post ID: @2nnc+Sm4jhmi

So.. does this mean Q4 will look like the following progression?

FY17: June 1 2016 to May 31 2017

FY18: June 1 2017 to May 31 2018

On the line titled "Total Fiscal 2017 Oracle Restructuring Plan"

We will look at totals Accrued, Cash Paid, and Planned (in Millions)

FY 2018 (Q1) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $609, Cash Paid - $141, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q2) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $902, Cash Paid - $317, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q3) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $1,002, Cash Paid - $422, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q4) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $1,114, Cash Paid - $1,114, Expected - $1,114

Because $1,114 - $422 = $692, not 640? Or is the extra $52 in the "other restructuring plans" category...

or will it be...

On the line titled "Total Fiscal 2017 Oracle Restructuring Plan"

We will look at totals Accrued, Cash Paid, and Planned (in Millions)

FY 2018 (Q1) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $609, Cash Paid - $141, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q2) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $902, Cash Paid - $317, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q3) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $1,002, Cash Paid - $422, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q4) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $1,114, Cash Paid - $112, Expected - $1,114

Because the Cash paid is for the quarter? Not the year? Not accrued to date? Because if its not a running total then... March 1 2018 was a HUGE layoff.... and no one noticed. Looks like Cash paid is a running total because the number is increasing over the year.

Looks like March was $422 - $317 = 105M which feels about right. We saw no warn notices and we saw no mass postings in the forums. Q3 would have been almost 3 times bigger than the Q1 layoff and we saw news articles in Q1 and Q2 on the layoffs.

Just to put the nail in the coffin on this one, it does look like the biggest cash pay out will be Q4 2018.

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Post ID: @2pbr+Sm4jhmi

This post is spot on and the accrual accounting explanation, an remaining cash payments are correct. There is some confusion that this quarterly information if for past years. Its is not. Lets break it down one 10Q after another. Looking ant the cash paid total it does indeed appear that $640,000,000 will be paid out in severance packages by May 31 2018. This is all fact based information and the links to the 10Q reports are provided below. Search for the key word "Severance" to find the section related to layoffs.

FY17: June 1 2016 to May 31 2017 FY18: June 1 2017 to May 31 2018 On the line titled "Total Fiscal 2017 Oracle Restructuring Plan"

We will look at totals Accrued, Cash Paid, and Planned (in Millions)

FY 2018 (Q1) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $609, Cash Paid - $141, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q2) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $902, Cash Paid - $317, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q3) 10Q Totals: Accrued - $1,002, Cash Paid - $422, Expected - $1,114

FY 2018 (Q1) 10Q

August 31 2017 10Q: http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/6aae1efb-e6ff-44cb-9563-94b1d5ebd7e1.pdf

FY 2018 (Q2) 10Q

Nov 30th 2017 10Q: http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/e8206ba4-7b8d-479e-98d7-d06c52eca57c.pdf

FY 2018 (Q3) 10Q

February 28 2018 10Q (Released March 221 2018): http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/d68e7357-e1ab-40fe-88ba-56d6b1f79f76.pdf

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Post ID: @2mrc+Sm4jhmi

So the executives, MH and SC are accrual based accounting experts. Accrual accounting is defined as:

https://www.entrepreneur.com/encyclopedia/accrual-accounting

Accounting method that records revenues and expenses when they are incurred, regardless of when cash is exchanged. The term "accrual" refers to any individual entry recording revenue or expense in the absence of a cash transaction .

So if you are a business and you have to pay taxes at the end of the fiscal year on 1M profit, and you know you need to buy 900k worth of equipment next quarter you can submit a PO and write that expense off this fiscal tax year and only pay taxes on 100k... even though you did not actually pay for the equipment. Cool right? You just saved a ton of money you'd have to pay in Taxes... and next quarter you buy the equipment in cash. Part of that cash payment can be the money you would have had to pay in Taxes.

Pretty cool.

That's accrual based accounting. Say the tax rate was 10% to keep it simple. Lets look at what happens.

Cash Based:

Taxes on 1M = $100K in taxes. Pay Taxes

Balance = 900k

Next quarter: Buy Equipment for 900K

Balance = 0.

Accrual based

Account for equipment expenses at 900K

Taxes on 100k = $10k in taxes. Pay Taxes

Balance = $990K

Next Quarter: Buy Equipment for 900k

Balance = $90k

Accrual based accounting just gave you 90k.

So buy accruing the expense before you make a cash payment you save money, and increase cash flow which keeps you from having to Borrow money. This is what Oracle is doing. They accrue the expense before they make a payment.

Oracle fiscal years:

FY17: June 1 2016 to May 31 2017

FY18: June 1 2017 to May 31 2018

In FY17 they came up with the actual plan to eliminate a bunch of seasoned employees while they built the next generation hubs and packed them with college graduates. The set aside 1.1 billion dollars to do this. They marked that money to lay off about 25% of the work force.

On May 31st 2017 they executed they first pat of that plan and accrued the first expense. When people actually got their severance checks 30 days later they updated the 10Q to show the cash payments. From June 2017 until now they paid out $474,000,000 in Cash payments against $1,114,000,000 in funds earmarked for severance packages.

Now on March 22 they published the 10Q that shows they have accrued all but $112 Million of the $1,114,000,000. Which means that they will now pay it out, plus the $112 million extra before the next quarter and fiscal year ends on May 31 2018.

They expect to pay out $640,000,000 dollars in cash severance packages at the end of FY18.

This is a fact, and they have saved the biggest round of layoffs for May 31st 2018. I hope this explains what is going on.

For reference you can see page 16 ofthe Oracle 10Q published on March 22nd here:

Reported to the SEC right here on page 16: (cut and paste the link) http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/d68e7357-e1ab-40fe-88ba-56d6b1f79f76.pdf

Again this is not rumor. Its establish fact. Using accrual based accounting has only 1 draw back. When you publish a 10Q as a publicly traded company and you accrue expenses before the layoff, someone could read that 10Q and educate everyone.

Until now it was all guess work... this quarters 10Q established the timeline. The proverbial writing is literally on the wall in the 10Q.

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Post ID: @2zor+Sm4jhmi

This poster nailed it: @Sm4jhmi-1xfm

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Post ID: @2ydm+Sm4jhmi

About this 10Q thing, which gov laws or accounting rules require companies to preallocate layoff costs a year ahead and must used up the amount allocated? As far as I know these financial reports are for past periods and reporting status after the fact.

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Post ID: @1mrt+Sm4jhmi

Not commenting if there we be another large layoff at the end of the year, there usually is, but I think the information in the 10Q was not interpreted correctly because this is the 2017 FY Restructuring which began in June of 2016, so way more money was paid out then the original poster thinks. I could be wrong.

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Post ID: @1prs+Sm4jhmi

Good post

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Post ID: @1jxm+Sm4jhmi

It looks like this to me:

  • folks saying there is a big layoff coming are basing that on actual numbers and facts

  • folks saying there is NO big layoff coming are just posting "fake news" over and over with NO facts

It looks like there is a big layoff coming. Honestly, as bad as the cloud has been doing, I would expect there to be more layoffs next year. If Oracle is not bringing money in, then they can't pay money out, to employees. That's just the way it is.

That said, it doesn't mean specifically that YOU will be laid off. But, you should be prepared for that eventuality, it's entirely possible.

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Post ID: @1brd+Sm4jhmi

Folks on this site have been crying wolf for a year. Where’s the big layoff? Ain’t happening, except in your dreams.

Wow. $1,114,000,000 dollars set aside to layoff people at oracle by the end of FY18 which is May 31 2018.

Reported to the SEC right here on page 16: (cut and paste the link) http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001341439/d68e7357-e1ab-40fe-88ba-56d6b1f79f76.pdf

$474,000,000 paid out and over 8,000 people laid of since May 31 2017. We know we have $640,000,000 to be paid out by May 31st 2018, which by all accounts that we can reasonably total is about 11,500 employees.

We know the date and we know the dollar amount. Either you are a troll or you are a new hire at Oracle. The seasoned professionals can do basic math, can read a 10Q when its linked and explained.

Would you call over 25,000 employees let go over a years time a massive layoff? That is 19% of the work force. But they have been replaced over time by less experienced, and lower paid people over the past nine months.

If you really think there is no layoff coming, and when you check your w2, its probably less than 100k, then yes you are completely safe. You will not be laid off. You are exactly the kind of person MH wants at Oracle.

True it has been a slow bleed since January. And many people thought March 1 was going to be significant, it was not. But that means the remaining balance will be paid out May 31st 2018, because that is what is stated on the 10Q. But that is where the rumor ends.

Facts supported by legally binding documents submitted to the federal government are not rumors. If you can not tell the difference between factual quarterly financial reports and rumors, and you currently work for Oracle then that is a real problem... not just for you, but for Oracle.

The execs used accrual based accounting which is a win in my book. If you really believe what you say "this is all rumors- no big layoff" then I can see a glimpse of the dark side. If all it takes is a slow long layoff to confuse you and I slowly take away benefits, bonus and pay and you can't understand basic accrual based accounting debits and credits... then maybe MH is right and its the way to get rich. I do feel sorry for you, honestly. But this comment really lessens my sympathy.

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Post ID: @1xfm+Sm4jhmi

Folks on this site have been crying wolf for a year. Where’s the big layoff? Ain’t happening, except in your dreams.

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Post ID: @1zrp+Sm4jhmi

Agreed, The 10Q Is Fact!

That said there will be a Massive RIF Q4!

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Post ID: @dnk+Sm4jhmi

If this post is pure bs, then what is the 1.114 billion in severance packages with only 474 million paid out? Are you saying the 10Q published by Oracle corporation is a lie?

Seems to me that everything in this post is based on fact. Just sayin...

Don't really care one way or another, I just don't understand how anyone could think it's not a logical conclusion based on the facts presented here. The rest on this site have been rumors but this is actually in the 10Q. Cut and paste the link and read the 10Q on page 16 yourself.

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Post ID: @ojs+Sm4jhmi

This post is pure BS. Guarantee this is not going to happen, and then on June 1st this same person will give an excuse and will then insist the sky will fall but it will be at the end of the summer. The goal here by these ex-employees is to sow discord and keep everyone still at the company on edge in a perverse attempt to get back at the company for laying them off. Their efforts would be better spent looking for a new job.

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Post ID: @iwp+Sm4jhmi

So according to T.I.'s numbers and the 57% pay out still to go ...

Just to confirm... we will have 11,500 people laid off May 31 2018?

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Post ID: @zyo+Sm4jhmi

Fake News strikes again

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Post ID: @cex+Sm4jhmi

@Sm4jhmi-ivc

idiot ...

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Post ID: @zax+Sm4jhmi

satish the idiot is back ...

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Post ID: @pxc+Sm4jhmi

When LE went to buy all the land in Austin MH said, but do you know how much all this will cost? And LE told MH to shut up and stop being cheap.

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Post ID: @nli+Sm4jhmi

True news

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Post ID: @sme+Sm4jhmi

old news

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Post ID: @mnr+Sm4jhmi

FAKE "FAKE NEWS" ALERT!!!

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Post ID: @plh+Sm4jhmi

FAKE NEWS ALERT!!!

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Post ID: @ivc+Sm4jhmi

Math error: If we have 57% of the total payments remaining, then we have 43% paid out. 8,680/.43 = 20,186 total layoffs for FY18.

Lets look at how many get laid off on May 31 2018. We have a total of 20k we let go 8k already how much do we need to cut to hit the MH plan?

20,186 - 8,680 = 11506

We have 11,506 people losing jobs according to the numbers pprovied by T.I. @SfqPbFE

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