They pushed all debt to 2029 push br all while paying themselves millions.They will start firing employees once investors start getting pissy but won't lower there salary. What happens when you hire a hillbilly CEO who sounds low IQ.
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@1b2
It's easy to play the blame game now. What you can all observe currently is the effect of years of missed investments and ideas.
In my view, it all started to look bad with AirCanada choosing Amadeus while the Silver Challenge policy was in power at Sabre. So Sabre not only wasn't doing great in Europe, but it had to fight for the market, where it used to be always the unquestionable leader.
I do think the whole situation has started to really snowball since then.
Famous cloud migration in panic-mode to AWS, then sudden switch to GCP.
All the careful, pitiful ideas which started to arise and put down bold ones, allowing to change the direction Sabre was going at the time. All of it has now resulted in the full picture.
The king is na--d. Sabre stock is for 0.9$ while Amadeus is for 53$. SHS sold to TPG.
Clearly, Sabre, instead of re-thinking itself, chose to duck and wait for better times. As always, at least for the last 20 years.
Whomever you're going to blame, it's way too late. And it's apart, you've chosen the worst way to tunnel your anger.
There were personalities with a way bigger influence on the firm and way worse knowledge regarding which direction Sabre should go. One even thought that wearing a black turtleneck would make him the new Steve Jobs of Sabre.
All I can see here right now is fighting for a gnawed bone.
When I'm reading all those posts throwing the godda-n blame at one another, it's really heart-breaking to see how low Sabre community felt.
A few things you do good are cabbage rolls and keep people from sh!thole countries out of Poland.
Keep up the good work!
LMAO Americans again telling themselves that they are somehow better at work than anybody else.
How many of you do actually have a university degree in the field? 3%? 5%? You hire MsCs and PHDs en masse and then showing them that you are smarter and better in any way while only some of you in reality know what they are doing at work.
Most of you (not everybody!) are just old people that avoid any real production or decision making while mainly trying to get into better positions. Constantly blaming oompa-loompas in low cost locations for your own decision making faults and telling those oompa-loompas to bust their as--s harder while you avoid absolutely any responsibility because you are too afraid to be let go.
The move to a smaller office all but gives it away. Doesn’t it :D
@1dg Haha. Latest episode of Things that did not happen. :D
@1b2 true. It is very annoying. Especially for airline customers. Sabre replaces working products with stuff that doesn't and then it's impossible to get the developers to even join a customer support call let alone fix it. Problems sit unsolved for months until the US takes charge. Problem is the US is now too busy to help. Put your head in the sand and ignore this reality if you want. That doesn't change the reality.
@1b2 That is grade A bullsh-t. At best your use case appears to be a very small issue that you’ve made out to be an enterprise wide problem.
My 2 cents is that the Indian and Polish workers don't solve customer problems, at all. The problems seem to just fester unsolved for months until someone from the US gets involved to solve them after the customer gets angry enough for it to reach US attention. The communication barriers and time zone are a huge problem, but also India and Poland just don't seem to be able to solve problems like some people in the US can. I don't know it is aptitude or attitude but there is a big difference between problem solving results. Are they too busy playing with new tech to bother with helping customers?
@ej I just left for another airline hosted in Sabre. It’s so sad seeing all my friends through the years let go. I just couldn’t stomach another round. I was laid off in 2017, was excited to come back in ‘21 but it hasn’t been the same.
@18t I don’t think they were saying smarter, they were saying that there is a communication and time zone gap.
@198 Long story short, get out while you can especially if you are GPD in the U.S. Next year is going to be very rude awakening.
I don't care if offshore people are smart. The problem is that they are offshore. There is a language barrier, a cultural barrier, and a timezone barrier. They're cheap labor according to their hourly rate, but those barriers mean they aren't really as cheap as they seem.
Sabre's golden years were the late '90s until peaking in 2000 right before 9/11. After 9/11 everything was down hill until now. It's the worst it has ever been.
Such big dreams when planning the 6 building Southlake campus. Only 2 buildings got built though, thanks to 9/11. Soon Sabre will leave Southlake entirely. Now only 10% of their original DFW staff size. Soon probably just 5% in DFW. The execs mostly don't even live in DFW, if they're in the US they're mostly remote. With 95% of the company offshore why bother with having any execs in DFW?
Offshoring after 9/11 destroyed Sabre. Like a corpse with silicone implants, the original body has almost completely rotted away, leaving only the silicone implants and a few bones. It's such a pity.
It's not xenophobia. It's just the sadness of seeing the good pre 9/11 company destroyed. Sabre used to be a cultural melting pot in 2 specifically focussed locations, TUL (for mainframe) and DFW (for everything else). Now it's just a loose coalition of separate warring tribes in many distant countries, each competing against each other for the same jobs. So sad.
It’s funny to read how Americans think that they are the better and smarter. Exactly the same as their stupid president a’ka king. Sabre would collapse without KRK same as the whole country without EU.
@14e You appear to be a bitter oldie :D. Retire and stay home with that kid living in your attic.
@ve You’ll still need a job in Q1 next year. Prepare for that :).
@14z Why the long face ? Rather, spend your energy looking for a job. :). Q1 next year is going to be brutal for GPD in the U.S.
Don't worry, next year Sabre will bring in the Bobs, like from Office Space, so we can really get moving on the layoffs.
@13z In my experience you are a d|_|mb a$$
@vd Thinkers…. Ha ha! as long as it’s what the boss wants. Grow some ba--s!
@10c In my experience in working with engineers from all the 4 big offices the best are the ones from Poland. Followed by American and Indian at pretty much the same level. Followed by Uruguayans. You appear to be a bitter fellow who should be looking for a job, in any case.
@10s CoForge was made up already of many who had been outsourced to Sabre to begin with. Now that changeover is happening, the new CF Mgmt only wants to make numbers they are being held to and that means Cut Cost and that usually starts with Headcount and Salaries.. The downward spiral continues till someone buys the pieces of the skelton for cents on the dollar...
When Coforge came on board, some of us thought, they will bring in the smartest and brightest, so they could provide an outside in view and help us to get out of the mess we are in. But it seems that they are worse than us. The big guy from Coforge in the account Mr. WHF aka BF, does not have a clue on the complexity of the program, thinks this is just an offshore project and have started to remove the best and brightest resources that were brought in before he joined the team, to improve his margins and thus save his position and bonus. He is replacing senior resources with low level cheaper resources and you can imagine the quality that will come out. Heard he is also planning to remove some of the rebadged Sabre resources, who are comparatively expensive. So if you are a Sabre employee rebadged to Coforge, be careful. Like our leadership, that man also seems to have only his pocket as priority. He seems to be not keen to understand the reality, paint every thing is green to Sabre leadership, pocket his share and let Sabre declare bankruptcy or not. So in all ways, we are sc**ed!.
@xt The biggest issue is that Indian engineers are not what they claim to be.
@xt Hire customer care teams in the U.S. The engineers in India. Problem solved. Which is where the company is heading, in any case.
The biggest inefficiency of off shoring is the language challenge and US off shoring to India has that with the addition of zero overlap of working hours with anywhere in the US. It wouldn't matter if you could hire 10 off shore for the price of 1 on shore, if it's impossible to communicate then off shore will not be as efficient as onshore.
@ej Unfortunately the same culture has infested AA. The CTO wants to offshore everything to his native. Despotic subcontinent nepotism is ki-ling American companies.
@vd Let's play a game. Number of airlines before BLR took over vs. number of airlines since...subcontinents always take American creations and turn them into the c ra p.
@vd If that were the case your country wouldn't be covered in c ra p/
@qf BLR is where the real Workers and Thinkers are NOW... Get over it
@ek But never BLR, wonder why...
@ek If you are in GPD in the U.S. you should already have been looking for a job, like yesterday.
@ek I would not doubt it. Sabre's answer to economics has always been to cut staff. EFF them
Layoffs will happen in 2026, particularly in DFW and MVD. Akso, more people will be moved to Coforge.
When Sabre split off from AMR they had big plans for their new HDQ campus, but that all went to pot almost immediately due to the 180 pivot to offshoring. Huge layoffs at both Sabre and at EDS. 25 years later and the HDQ campus is gone. Sabre has been rotting from the start. I am going back to AA.
SM started this train wreck. Never forget.