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Let's Argue About RTO Some More

Since the topic continues to be discussed in bits and pieces across multiple threads that were originally about other topics, here's another thread dedicated just to RTO facts and misconceptions.

Disclaimer: Yes, I am aware the goal posts have changed and are likely to change. This information is based on current expectations.


Partial In-Office Days:

The "Working in the office: In-office attendance and reporting (Global)" article FAQs state "The current dashboard and reporting do not use duration as part of the formula and do not define a set number of hours that equals a 'day' in the office. Any amount of time worked onsite is counted as a day worked on the dashboard. That said, the expectation of working a full day onsite remains unchanged."

Key Word: Current.

Also important to note that it does not say they are not tracking hours - it's simply not part of the formula, again, currently. Hourly adherence is being tracked and leaders are expected to speak to team members who have a pattern of working partial days in office.


How the In-Office Percentage is Calculated:

  1. The current metric is the average over each rolling three-month period. January through June are no longer factoring into that. Current rolling average is based on July through September.

  2. If you've averaged more than 60% per three-month period (Jan-Mar, Feb-Apr, Mar-May, Apr-Jun, May-Jul, Jun-Aug, Jul-Sep), you're fine.

  3. If you continue to average more than 60% across Aug-Oct, Sep-Nov, Oct-Dec, and so on, you will continue to be fine.

  4. If your Jul-Sep average (or any three-month period in the future) is less than 60%, yes, you will have to work additional days in office to raise that average.

  5. You can calculate in advance how many days you need to be in office each month, based on your Adjusted Working Days (Total Available Days minus Vacation/Holiday/Sick days) to maintain the more-than-60% average across each rolling three-month period. Further, you can calculate in advance what your year-end average will be using the same method.

  6. Yes, I am aware we should not have to do that.

  7. The "Working in the office: In-office attendance and reporting (Global)" article FAQs in MyHR address the change that took place in April.

"Q. Am I held to the 'more than 60% in-office' expectation for Q1 2026 if the updated measurement approach didn't take effect until Q2 2026?

A. Yes, as the expectation of working three-plus days in the office was established and communicated over 12 months ago."

Reason being that three-plus Total Possible Working days in office each week in January, February, and March (not Adjusted Possible Working Days) averages at more than 60% and would have been achieved by employees following the expectation for Q1, which, again, is no longer factoring into the three-month average.

  1. This isn't opinion or preference or bootlicking, just math.

How PTO Factors In:

The "Working in the office: In-office attendance and reporting (Global)" article FAQs include the below:

"Q: Does this mean I need to enter all my paid time off (PTO) in Workday?

A: Yes. A full day is deducted from your available working days for the month only if you record four or more hours of PTO for that day in Workday. PTO of less than four hours does not reduce your available working days for the month. Please note that PTO entered after month-end will not be reflected until the next monthly data refresh. If backdated PTO is entered after month-end, your in-office percentage will automatically be recalculated and updated during the next monthly refresh cycle."

In Workplace Excellence, under "What is not changing," the "In-office policy" segment states "If-office expectations will remain at more than 60%. Absences such as paid time off (PTO), sick time and volunteer time will continue to decrease the available office days and will not be counted as an in-office day."


'Am I Going to Get Fired?':

If you shrugged off the requirements all year that were communicated as "comply or goodbye" and are now scrambling to try making up for it, I don't know what to say other than you're probably out of luck.


At the end of the day, the MC is going to do whatever they want and justify it however they want and there's nothing we can actually do about it other than to try and avoid becoming a target. The TTUS doesn't matter, WE feedback doesn't matter, they want to save money through cheap labor and this nonsense helps them get there. The road to being a trillion-dollar company is paved with our terminated careers.


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@jm Please stop being childish. You have no knowledge of what I did or did not post in this thread or others.

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Post ID: @jq+1m5e0retf

@hp Once again, your inability to compose more than a shitpost without the help of Copilot or ChatGPT doesn't mean others don't have functioning brains.

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Post ID: @jm+1m5e0retf

@hp it's DEFINITELY someone who thinks they're smarter than all of us.

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Post ID: @ht+1m5e0retf

Who ever is spamming all the threads with the lengthy AI-written novellas: please stop it.

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Post ID: @hp+1m5e0retf

@e8 I'm also the c8 and c something else you were talking to like I'm a mo--n.

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Post ID: @ee+1m5e0retf

@dr Then it doesn't apply to you, does it?

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Post ID: @e8+1m5e0retf

@dk I am not one of the people on here asking stupid questions. I have a tracker that aligns with workday and have yet to miss my 60% outside of my own id--t error of forgetting to plug in a day off.

I'm also the same person that said I'm not reading all of that, because I'm not an id--t and understand how this all works and don't need to read a novel.

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Post ID: @dr+1m5e0retf

@cv And that's why 75% of the posts and comments on this site are employees spinning themselves in circles and asking repeated questions. Stay ignorant.

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Post ID: @dk+1m5e0retf

@cr nobody is reading all of that

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Post ID: @cv+1m5e0retf

@c2 It took way too long to get an answer about what you were looking at.

@c8 No you literally aren't because literally no such thing literally exists. If you're looking at the FAQs for the In-office article that's already been cited, the example provided there rounds up from 11.4 to 12 days to achieve the 60+ percentage because that's how math works, not because the differential of .6 equals a day.

The Attendance Tracking page that's being referenced clearly states that it is "Not an Official Record" and that it is "Independent from Workday." I have never once used that tracker. There are numerous disclaimers because it isn't reliable and can be erased when browsing data is cleared. I use the calculation shared earlier and have always been perfectly aligned with the official Workday record. It's incredibly simple.

That said, there is no set percentage or fraction of a percentage tied to PTO of any type or amount and there is no official documentation that states that there is.

Example:

In Office: 10/1-2, 10/5-9, 10/13-16, 10/19-21 (14 days)

Holiday: 10/12 - 8 Hours Holiday PTO

Starting Percentage: 66.7%

If I use 8 hours of Vacation, Sick, Holiday, or My Holiday PTO on 10/22, it brings the percentage to 70.0%, an increase of 3.3%.

If I use 5 hours of Vacation, Sick, Holiday, or My Holiday PTO on 10/22 instead, it still brings the percentage to 70.0%, still an increase of 3.3%.

If I use 3 hours of Vacation, Sick, Holiday, or My Holiday PTO on 10/22 instead, the percentage remains 66.7%. No change from the starting percentage.

Let's add tomorrow to the total In Office days.

In Office: 10/1-2, 10/5-9, 10/13-16, 10/19-22 (15 days)

Holiday: 10/12

Percentage: 71.4%

If I use 8 hours of Vacation, Sick, Holiday, or My Holiday PTO on 10/23, it brings the percentage to 75.0%, an increase of 3.6%

If I use 5 hours of Vacation, Sick, Holiday, or My Holiday PTO on 10/23 instead, it still brings the percentage to 75.0%, still an increase of 3.6%

If I use 3 hours of Vacation, Sick, Holiday, or My Holiday PTO on 10/23 instead, the percentage remains 71.4%. No change from the starting percentage.

You can play with your unofficial tracker to confirm this.

Argue with me all you want, you can't argue with math unless you don't know how it works.

Stressing yourselves out for no reason when there's already enough to be stressed out about.

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Post ID: @cr+1m5e0retf

@ap you also seem to be using this calculation for hourly employees, not exempt. The .6 calculation is literally listed in the FAQ that I'm looking at right now.

Regardless, we have to round up and we should not have to.

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Post ID: @c8+1m5e0retf

There seems to be two things people here hate:

  1. The changes that are happening
  2. How things are right now
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Post ID: @c7+1m5e0retf

@ap I'm not using my own calculation. I'm using a tracker created by someone within the bank that uses the same calculation as workday.

If you take 4+ hours of time off it reduces your days by .6 of a day. Not one day. So it your available days are 12, and you take 4+ hours of time off it reduces it to 11.4 days. Not 11 days. It's to make sure that you STILL HAVE TO COME IN to make up that .4 of a day to hit 60%.

My tracker is an EXACT match to workday. But continue to go off I guess. I will use that and continue to keep my metrics in check because I'm not in a position to lose my job over this right now.

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Post ID: @c2+1m5e0retf

@ap Correcting myself:

If you work for more than four hours in a day and use PTO for the rest, it does not reduce your Total Available Days.

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Post ID: @aq+1m5e0retf

@ad I figured you were going off your own calculations rather than any actual documentation.

"4+ hours of PTO = .6 of an office day." That's the issue right there.

There are Total Available Days, which is the number of days we all start with no matter what. They are the same for everyone. Calendar days minus weekends.

Total Adjusted Working Days is the number of business days left after subtracting weekends, observed holidays, and any full days of PTO you take as an individual, whether that's vacation, sick, or volunteer time.

If you take an entire day - a full, consecutive eight hours - it reduces your Total Available Days.

If you work for less than four hours in a day and use PTO for the rest, it does not reduce your Total Available Days.

  • A full day is deducted from your available working days for the month only if you record four or more hours of PTO for that day in Workday. PTO of less than four hours does not reduce your available working days for the month.*

Nobody is lying to you. You're misunderstanding how the calculation works, which has been detailed in this thread.

Example:
September included 22 Total Available Days.

30 calendar days minus weekend days equals 22 business days. 22 business days minus one holiday (Labor Day, 9/7) equals 21 Total Adjusted Working Days.

60% of 21 is 12.6. If that's where your .6 happens to be coming from, you need to be rounding up. To achieve the minimum percentage above 60, we would need to be in office 13 of those 21 days.

Let's assume you decide to take a full day off and use eight hours of PTO. Your Total Adjusted Working Days is now 20. 60% of 20 is 12.

If you take one full day and then work three hours another day and use five hours of PTO, you drop from 21 to 19. 60% of 19 is 11.4.

If you take one full day and then work five hours another day and use three hours of PTO for the rest, your Total Adjusted Working Days is 20 and you're back at 60% of 20 being 12.

The calculation you've provided would add to your 21 Total Adjusted Working Days for taking two full days off, bringing it up to 22.2. 60% of 22.2 is 13.3. If we round up to 23, then it's 13.8. Both scenarios would have you working a self-imposed 14 days in office for no reason.

Hope this helps you relax a little.

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Post ID: @ap+1m5e0retf

Good summary, I think all the info has been out there for a long time now. Doesn't mean I agree with it but it is out there and it's just a risk award situation if you want to comply or not.

I agree that at the end of the day the MC is unpredictable and will take whatever stats they feel suits them. They keep talking about the rolling but I noticed that workday tracks your YTD . At some point my prediction is there will be a firm YTD goal.

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Post ID: @aj+1m5e0retf

@a4 Cite your sources or stop spreading misinformation.

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Post ID: @a8+1m5e0retf

@a3 I don’t “want to complain” - I want a return to pre-Covid flexibility and normalcy as opposed to a bizarre obsession with where you sit when you accomplish your work.

Their improvements are lipstick on a pig. Yes, they really are improvements. And yes, it’s still a d-mb policy and an insane waste of resources at every level.

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Post ID: @a6+1m5e0retf

@a3 PTO always factored. They lowered it from 1 day to 0.6 days.

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Post ID: @a4+1m5e0retf

Say whatever you want about RTO, but there have been improvements. PTO now factors in and lowers the number of days needed in the office. And the new way to get out of office, but working days counted is a bonus. As someone who does travel some, that is helpful.

I know that everyone just wants to complain, but those are worker-positive moves.

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Post ID: @a3+1m5e0retf

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