Seems everyone I talk to that has worked with them comments that it's an absolute train wreck over there. Their news letters mention so many "accomplishments" but no one actually seems to know what they produce. What a mess!!!
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It seems comments from this page keep getting deleted. Some y'all struck a nerve. My team gave up working with these clowns especially if you are trying a solve a problem they can't take credit for.
I have talked with some of the guys there and they aren't shy about their leaders telling them that it is better to build and go fast than work with other teams and get stuck behind process.
Hilarious that they own the most ridiculous slow process though
@631 exactly. You notice how most of the AI CoE leadership gets some visibility and then leaves? We had CM who couldn't manage his way out of a kid sized corn maze, then JD created an absolute catastrophy of a team that just ran valueless experiments. We have WR now empowering emotionless robotic human beings like himself who could care less about the long term sustainability of what they are creating.
For those of us who remember the early ESI and Medco days, this sh-t was an utter disaster and yet we still have some of those people with a strong voice here.
Makes you really wonder why we failed over and over with hitting our target numbers ... Look at who keeps leading strategic initiatives.
Don't get me started on some of the "usual" PEs as well that we throw at these problems.
@4pp couple of these exact personas floating around destroying Cigna from the inside. Leaders either want to it happen or are completely clueless is happening
Ever notice that the leadership team for the AI eo looks like the cast of the muppets. That should tell you the reason this page exists.
@4t7 the PEs we have on this team are a joke.
@586 I am in agreement here. Start up the reporting to USCIS thread!
@4t7 there is nothing wrong with going from scrum master to sr manager to director. But if the company is posting fake jobs to promote sr. advisor to sr. manager to director - its likely a case that needs to be reported. The same has happened to Microsoft, Adobe and the so called 'WITCHES' from India. They have been blocked from filing PERMs for H1s because the jobs are given to H1B holders before even they are posted. I can understand IC positions going vacant and not having enough talent to an extent, but promoting H1B folks to Sr. Manager / Director while firing the same positions for citizens is what is riling up the general population. Its not the fault of the H1B holder - the system is rigged. But a lot of these managers/directors are sub par talent. We should start a new thread to report such cases to USCIS.
@a4pp yep they gave some folks the boot and also pushed new people into new positions in our org. It's a fu--ing circus ring of id--ts in here.
@4pp I know who are you talking about. I have seen one guy who joined with me in 2018 started as a scrum master -> Manager and now he is a Director. These PE's are a joke.
I have heard there were layoffs in the AI COE as well? Like some senior leaders and PEs gone. Honestly, except for a few PEs, most of the PEs at Cigna are Sr. Managers at best. The bar used to be high in Express Scripts. Then Cigna happened and the GIO group just promoted anyone and everyone to PE and Sr. PE. Soon other orgs folIowed. I would not be surprised if they let go of a lot these band 5 PEs. Not saying the PEs are the only group. I see a lot of people leaders at the director level also are of low calibur. Some are also on H1B - which is a joke! For example there is this one guy on H1, who knows nothing but a$$licking and has been promoted to director in the PBM org this year. All he does is gossip around, su-k up to a set of sr directors and look for ways to game the system to get his green card faster. Not sure if Cigna will be able to sustain the wave of change AI is causing this way. There was a time when Neal Sample came onboard and it felt like the company was going to be amazing. It feels like it is becoming a TCS or Infosys now. Not against any race, but the internal culture at these Indian giant IT companies is not so healthy - atleast not for the average American.
All they do is slow us down
We're any of these f---ers walked out today? Or are they the protected elite
For a group that has ENABLEMENT in the name they sure do su-k at actually enabling people to work.
@2y9 Yeah, a lot of the middle level leaders really need a big helping of humble pie.
Most likely though that humility will have to be forced upon them through adversity as opposed to them humbling themselves on their own.
My guess is, they are not immune to the mounting pressure to reduce labor by executive leadership.
So, that much needed humility the middle level leaders will most likely come to them sooner than they realize.
The whole org feels entitled and unfortunately their leaders are vomiting at the moth that they are above following rules
This. 👇
Chaos starts from the top...I'm hoping October gives me a way out, listening to these guys spew nonsense on how they are going to change how we can generate more code faster is part of this company's problem.
We like to recreate the sins of the past. When we came together everyone blamed our PEs for the complex and custom built cr-pola. Take a look at the lead team we have in the AI org and you realize we are doomed to do it again!!!!!!
@fd it's because you aren't on the AI EO. Come on over here, we buy anything and everything!
It's frustrating to me and some of my coworkers here. I haven't had a lot of experience in big companies, but we seem to be so scattered on strategy it's exhauting
Today I had a simple technical meeting with outside vendors. and damn god, every manager etc and a lot of useless people attended. Basically everyone is scared of their job and wants to micromanage. AI EO etc is a shithole.
The ai eo exists to serve the ai io, the ai io exists to serve the queen (you know who)
And yet you listen to what some of us in USET saw this morning and you hear how slow the AI work is and how we aren't using it enough.
They use the DJT model of "if you say enough of the buzzwords without evidence, it becomes truth"
Don't worry @OP! We have our town hall today...come learn about how we are making things more complex for everyone.