Our team is doing activity tracking and we are averaging 7+ hours a day but apparently that’s not enough and we need to be at 8+. So subtract our lunch time, bathroom runs, taking a water break or just a minute where we are not clicking away and we need to be at the office 9+ hours to meet this number. WF is not a tech company and they do not pay us enough for this type of treatment. No wonder people hate it here
20 replies (most recent on top)
What is going on is totally outrageous. But there isn't any legal standing for the reasons of salaried being "treated like hourly workers when salaried"
You can be both salaried and exempt, and required to work more than 40 hours as standard for the job, required to be in a specific location (office) and be there for a specific number of hours per day. you also can be legally monitored on company equipment for everything and anything, and have a mandated level of digital productivity.
Where the monitoring thing gets dicey really fast is this: various states have laws about what you are required to tell employees about monitoring.
For example - in california employers are required to tell employees what data is monitored and why. Anyone here in california been told that? I have not. But I know for a fact that I am being monitored even though I am in a salaried, exempt, non -tech role.
I also know that said activity is being reported.
It's really disgusting. There's lots of stuff that happens where I just shrug and think "that's corporate america" or "all big banks have the same issues"... but this just goes beyond...
@bf where do we find it and do all employees have access to the dashboard
@d9 This is why they haven't put anything in writing as of yet
I am shocked that an opportunistic law firm hasn't stepped up to sue on behalf of employees for salaried workers being manged like hourly. There's got to be an angle here that runs afoul of labor laws. They can't demand unlimited overtime (nights and weekend) AND micromanage every hour of our day to some sense of minimums.
Days in office hours in offices. Not hard
F their MBOs and tracking. 40 hours per week would be a huge reduction in production for me. Oh well, if that's what they want...
FHY / F Shart / FRTO.
@b4 Its already on paper. It in everyone's MBOs, there is a dashboard to track it, and people are being rated on it
@b0 The problem they're running into is that they can't mandate people work 9 hours a day without running afoul of labor laws. If they converted people from salary to hourly, then they could mandate 8 hours plus a one-hour lunch. In India where worker protections are much lower they already have a 9 hour+ mandate on some teams. But they're riding a thin line with US workers. Right now, they're trying to have their cake and eat it too, keep people salaried, mandate hours at office, mandate hours of working time that total more than 40 hours, but not put that mandate explicitly on paper. The more they try to monitor every inch of what workers do the more they risk running afoul of US labor laws.
They should have just let sleeping dogs lie, imo. They're already past the point they're going to squeeze any more voluntary attrition out.
Pre-covid 8 work hours did not include lunch. If you took an hour lunch then you were in office 9 hours total. 8-5pm for example for salary people.
@OP What division? And what location?
Is THIS is what leadership is using AI for?
So efficient!
It actually runs against the guise of bringing person. Who the heck is coming up with this bs. Be in the office to be in person with each other but then track every move on the computer so no one will want to meet in person to talk because they won’t get “ credit”. So effed up
All the more reason to camp in a focus room for 8 hrs. That's clearly what the company wants if we are punished for stopping the mouse clicks in order to cOlLabOrAte iN pErsOn.
@ak Yes, while in the office
Is moving my mouse in circles for 8 hours good enough?
If I just move my mouse in circles for 8 hours am I good?
Huh? 8+ includes all those things you mentioned.
What team is this?
Yep, we just got the good news too. Apparently I need to take my laptop with me to collaborate with an onsite team member? How much does any of this make sense?
At some point, this runs headlong into hourly labor laws requiring breaks. Its a recipie for unionization.