Thread regarding Siemens layoffs

Real Talk... October 1st

What are the big changes we should expect at the start of the new financial year? Maybe put a 'rumor' or 'confirmed' at the start of your post so we know what you think.


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Post ID: @OP+1kzsht3av

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@bgb: It's the Peter Principle on full display, where managers with threatened egos are intimidated by knowledgeable high performers. These VPs, Directors, and Managers have contributed zero for over a decade and now this AI development is frankly way over their heads.

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Post ID: @d5r+1kzsht3av

well a lot of these managers will be eliminated, according to the One Tech reorg, it's been picking up speed since the start of the fiscal year. The new structure has the usual chaos, revised organizational charts haven't been finalized and shared with employees.

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Post ID: @czg+1kzsht3av

@avp: as a woman in this area of development, I find the AI management in Livonia creepy. My colleagues feel the same way. It's just inept and frankly insidious management tactics all around. Like what another poster said, there's deliberate practice of giving bad performance reviews to good employees. In the works is a higher number of "needs improvement" ratings for this review season. My source said as high as 20 to 25%. So these employees are on their way to being shown the door. If the company needs to make more headcount reductions, the right way to do it is with layoffs and a full severance package. Which is obviously what they're trying to avoid.

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Post ID: @bgb+1kzsht3av

The management for the AI product development in Livonia is truly bad. The other comments here are accurate. I was in that group but lucky got moved to a different reporting structure in the recent reorg. Those managers feel more comfortable working with people in Pune, and they stacked the development team with data scientists in Pune. The scrum meetings are futile like what that other poster mentioned. The language barriers are really hard to discern in those conference calls. But the management has its agenda, anyone who questions what they're doing is put on a list for elimination, a great way to cut head count and hire more staff in Pune.

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Post ID: @avp+1kzsht3av

@a11 this is SO true. I thought it was just me!

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Post ID: @ae2+1kzsht3av

@9zc it's non-transparent because the arrogant management, especially over in Livonia, can't communicate. Horrible communication skills because of low intellect, amplified by horrible accents. Nobody understands anyone in scrum meetings but they like to talk. It's why projects are floundering because nobody can express ideas clearly. So then the management blames it on the hard working employees.

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Post ID: @a11+1kzsht3av

I’ve never worked somewhere so non-transparent about layoffs. Honestly, it’s shameful and makes it harder to take my work effort seriously.

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Post ID: @9zc+1kzsht3av

@37z: "In DISW, I'm hearing that there will be elimination in October."

Well the streamlining is going on. Just found out some reductions happened in Teamcenter and NX. Trying to get details on what areas and how many were affected.

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Post ID: @9wp+1kzsht3av

@5yr that's what TH wants you to believe. But he's useless, his only concern is how his toupee looks on camera for his town halls. Layoffs in DISW are always inevitable. The entire organization is bloated. EDA alone is not profitable. Even the documentation side for all products is full of long timers way over 60 and there's no way they'll be given the volunteer separation package because it's too costly. I've seen how good employees are suddenly given bad performance reviews to force them out. Forget any ethics. They just seek to streamline because they're determined to automate so many things with AI.

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Post ID: @7b3+1kzsht3av

@634 Regarding your comment that the restructuring may be delayed due to the lack of communication, it’s possible that you haven’t heard anything because you may not be directly impacted. In my case, I am being affected, and I’ve already been informed who my new manager will be. That said, the message so far is that it’s business as usual, with no immediate changes beyond the reporting structure. I think many of the challenges resulting from this reorganization will likely involve SOM code changes and the access-control issues they could trigger.

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Post ID: @67r+1kzsht3av

@634 No, I don’t believe Tony H. But I do believe a certain IT leader who, alongside P&O, said that no one would be impacted by the reorganization. Maybe he was referring only to his own organization?

And you’re right, layoffs are still happening, but they’re keeping them small and incremental enough to avoid having to make any formal announcements. I’m sure that’s happening during this reorganization too; I have no doubt about it. Still, given the scale of this reorg and the number of people already affected, it seems that the number of layoffs remains relatively low, at least I hope.

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Post ID: @67q+1kzsht3av

@634 In Technology (now Foundational Technology), since ~3 years you have a round a lay-off every 6 months and it is never publicly announced. One day I've seen a LinkedIn post of a colleague that he was layoff, and 5 minutes after, his post was removed. I suppose the compensation package was contingent to his silence. Then I asked around and learned that his whole group was removed without a scream. Sometimes, you receive an email about someone you know, to share their final day and personal email to stay in contact ... I've seen the same thing in DISW. Siemens don't do mass layoff like what you see in Microsoft or Meta when they swipe away a full part of the company. It is more pernicious and hypocrite ..

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Post ID: @658+1kzsht3av

@5yr for DISW, Tony said that for now we are done with layoffs, but do you believe him?
I see trims are done very quietly here, no announcements.
Also, I expect R&D teams will have more cuts to go through as the reorg is impacting the segments first.
So we will see in October, so far I believe they are late in the restructuring because I have seen few announcements only and we are already less than 2 week away from start of FY27, probably due to unions talks in Europe

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Post ID: @634+1kzsht3av

@37z are you sure? I keep hearing this reorg will not include a layoff.

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Post ID: @5yr+1kzsht3av

@4ck There are always more on the horizon

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Post ID: @4ff+1kzsht3av

@37z more layoffs? I thought that DISW just had a layoff

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Post ID: @4ck+1kzsht3av

In DISW, I'm hearing that there will be elimination in October. It's a ritual to do it around that time. Co-workers are expecting the worst. Especially the AI projects to streamline documentation dvelopment is a mess, and the management doesn't know what to do so the powers-that-be are angry.

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Post ID: @37z+1kzsht3av

@OP no one knows, not even the leadership who planned it. It will be a FAFO experience.

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