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PIPs in Europe

I've noticed that a lot more people in Europe are being put on PIPs than in previous years. What's the reason for this, especially considering how difficult it is to fire employees in Europe?


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@c9 I'm based in Europe, I've worked in this industry for almost 30 years, 8 of them at IBM (left IBM 2018). In the probably 8 or so companies in this time I have worked for non of the European mgmt have done what you describe apart from when I was at IBM (part of reason I left), also I say this behaviour with IBM mgmt around the globe including America (MGM promising something on a call not possible, then disappearing when what was promised was to be delivered). Don't confuse IBM Mgmt standard practice with how work actually operates in Europe.

Ask yourself this, as a worker, would you rather be an "at will Employee" or actually have workplace protections? Maybe you should be looking at who actually wins when your an "at work employee" vs having workplace redundancy protection

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Post ID: @pv+1m6p5hkm8

If you are talking about Spain, I’ll say it publicly: that frokkin manager has to go. There is absolutely no excuse for him being in the call with the customer for an hour, promise to get something done in a week then just leave for a month’s vacation the next day. Why didn’t he disclose he was going on vacation?

The entitlement of them Europeans is beyond anything we are used to. Trust me when I say the fatigue is real.

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Post ID: @c9+1m6p5hkm8

They're running out of Americans to fire. They are the easiest to fire due to differing labor protection laws. That's my guess.

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Post ID: @b2+1m6p5hkm8

@OP PIPs are the cheat code the Indian management has figured out allows them to fire people without putting them through the RA process. It also bypasses the European laws preventing them from just firing at will.

Of course, there's no requirements that the PIPs are valid or passible. Thus the Indian "jugaad" hack. They give you impossible goals, you fail them, they fire you for cause. Your only solution is to prove it was an impossible goal or that they singled you out, and that will be near impossible cause they'll destroy evidence and falsify things if they have to.

This is all considered ethnical, honorable behavior in the subcontinent.

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