I did an internship this past summer and was extended an offer in PD (engineer). I found this site researching Ford's stability. Is this site representative of your experiences? Looking for advice.
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@29g I want to know the decision on this one....
Lovely company, join us won’t you?
Dear Intern,
Run, dont walk, from Ford. Run very far.
They'll cover up forced labor and call you disgruntled
If you do the rotation program, do not trust your advisor or people leader. The advisor is a person dedicated to keeping you going and keeping the ruse up for long as possible. Your people leader is doing what is known as a rug pull scam where they just need to keep the scam going for as long as your next rotation. When it's time for you to go to your next rotation, every dream and lie that was sold is pulled out from under you. You're the next rotation guy's "problem". They don't value you because iin their eyes, you're cheap and don't affect their budget. You can't change the perception when people outside of the program you join after interning get paid much more, could come from better schools, but are leet code maxers who never were practical and experienced. Believe me or don't, I would avoid a company that manipulates and scams young adults instead of watching their back. My honest twwo cents. If you get rug pulled, they'll use that reaction to justify past mistreatment and even further consequences to get you to forget you got scammed. Think about what they are doing, they drag months of drama in front of you while you tote the line and by the then you've been here for two years. Meanwhile they brag about how cheap they got you and also how much money they saved the company to their friends by manipulating you. Many of them up there think the same. You only have your prime young adult years once. Don't make the mistake I did. Also, don't expect to be able to go david vs goliath on them regarding principle, they are insulated and it will always be their word over yours.You don't want to be in a place where you can't defend yourself and stand up for your own dignity. it's the most emasculating experience one can go through and the battle will be endless and you'll throw your life force away trying. It's not worth joining this company until massive re-haul in our state happens regarding protecting new-grads from mistreatment. I believe our state will eventually do the right thing. Eventually is the key part
The more you know!
@1st if you want to talk, why not just ask a question?
@1ss yes, I guess I just don’t get it.
Is anyone else lost?
@1pm How special and thoughtful! GET LOST! LMAO. I guess you are right?
@mw+1k3svr34w You may arrive at your 40s at Ford, while the company is forcing the 50s workers to leave, but when you are in your 50s, you'll be escorted to the door. Also, you may arrive at Ford with the latest, but after 10 years plus, you'll be just another cog in the machine, and as outdated as the rest.
@OP. Only one offer? Take it. More than one? Maybe is better to skip Ford. The main virtue you need to develop in life is resilience. Life is full of bullies, job losses, and bad news. Don't stress too much, learn to deal with the bullies and life in general, and you'll be fine, at Ford, or outside Ford.
@150 anyone on this site looking for honest dialogue? I figured that this site really just facilitates passive aggressive types.
You won’t learn anything in this place, instead you will be useless for anything in few years, find better place
@150 Good book?
@150 It was obviously a joke it was signed JDF
@14y You misrepresented the argument to make it easier to attack. By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating the argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational dialogue.
And now, you moved the goalposts.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Moving-the-Goalposts
@14x They were paraphrased, I've been monitoring the most ridiculous gripes people have had in the last weeks.
@14w Those aren't real quotes from this thread. Why did you spend time on fabricating exaggerated scenarios? Without hostility next time too
@zp What valid experiences are we talking about here? Did someone’s boss literally throttle them? Were they berated until they cried? Has anyone ki-led themselves recently?
Because most of what gets aired out here sounds like the band-nerd gripe session from high school.
• “I got made to go into the office.”
• “I didn’t get to pick my seat.”
• “My boss dinged my performance review.”
• “That person looked at me funny.”
• “It was cold, I forgot my blankie.”
• “That person’s lunch was smelly.”
• “I had to walk in from the parking lot, it was sooo far.”
Grow up for fu--s sake. This place is a country club compared to most of the real working world.
a bunch
@zt Is it a bunch or is it one person?
@zm You’re throwing a blanket over a bunch of valid experiences and calling it “whining", like career decisions don’t have real-life consequences. Sorry, but for a lot of people, it is that deep. Especially in a place where dysfunction gets dressed up as “normal".
Not every critical post is a rant, some are describing what actually happened. Expecting toxic workplace experiences to make headlines is willful ignorance. "Victim complex" just because it doesn't apply to you is a pretty lazy take.
@zm You’re throwing a blanket over a bunch of valid experiences and calling it “whining", like career decisions don’t have real-life consequences. Sorry, but for a lot of people, it is that deep. Especially in a place where dysfunction gets dressed up as “normal".
Not every critical post is a rant, some are describing what actually happened. Expecting toxic workplace experiences to make headlines is willful ignorance. "Victim complex" just because it doesn't apply to you is a pretty lazy take.
@z4 What part of this thread doesn’t fit that description? Honestly, most threads here end up the same way. I come here for the humor and the rumor mill, but this one has devolved into little more than whining. As someone else pointed out, it’s a lot of victim-complex energy.
This is the real world. It’s a job. It’s not all rainbows and butterflies, toughen up. Outside of the plants, when was the last time anyone here actually went through something that truly merits the level of “trauma” people claim in these posts?
@OP your offer probably expires soon, do you need anything else from us old guys
@z3 What part?
@yz these read like the rant of a lunatic…
@bc Agreed. Your own ability to maintain clarity, values, and intellectual independence will be tested.
Even if you can resist the current Ford mentally, you're still inside the system. And systems shape outcomes.
If you're the type of person who:
- Thinks independently
- Cares about mastery and meaning
- Values truth over comfort
...then the environment you choose will either support that, or erode it.
I'm not saying people here are d-mb, I'm saying that it's socially or politically safer to blend in. The culture is currently in a place where no takes a stand (or feels safe doing so). Compliance over conscience is dangerous for both ethics and creativity. When so much is going on, you don't have time to question, you're focused on.surviving, This causes a feedback loop of mediocrity and ethical decline, where the system perpetuates its own dysfunction.
@xh+1k3svr34w GSR8 is highest non supervisory level. If you have worked at other companies and developed real well-rounded skills, a GSR8 position at Ford will be a cake walk. You will be able to automate your tasks and make improvements that the existing long term Ford employees will not know how to do as they have done one task repeatedly while reading old process doc. Just keep your mouth shut about automating your tasks and you will be on easy street.
RUN! Don’t walk away.
What kind of dribble is this about collective wisdom and sense of self…
Think about it this way. Ford is forcing workers into the office four days each week. There's inadequate parking and office space in many locations.
A sensible company would reduce RTO requirements until those basic items could be resolved. Not Ford.
Parking at their facility is now your problem. Having a simple desk in their building is now your problem. And he-l is coming if you aren't 100% compliant.
This is how much you'll be valued if you accept.
Consider other industries. Ford has made it clear they dont want people long term. Expand out of automotive, they have a hard road ahead.
Curious how a GSR8 position somehow = coast. Is this basically a supervisor?
Here are my thoughts for you.
People here have lost their sense of self and personal identity, which has also led to a decreased sense of personal responsibility for their actions.
If you found this site researching Ford's stability, watch what you'll find when you look for instability instead.
Large mobs at Ford make individuals feel anonymous, which lowers their inhibitions, and makes normally unacceptable behaviors seem more acceptable. Lots of people here lack strong opinions on important subject matter topics pertaining to their profession and are easily swayed to mimic the group, like a social default of sorts. Emotions and behaviors here spread rapidly like a virus, creating a shared emotional state that influences individual actions. Many aren't able to recognize biases.
This is the result of what happens when knowledge is scarce and the collective wisdom suspends critical thinking and reasoning abilities.
This place is a literal sh!t hole get out while you still can.
I'm not being ironic or trolling or anything else that anybody is doing.
I'm 30 plus years into this company and have somebody that I've been "mentoring" for the past three years and I keep telling them to get the heck out while they still can.
This is not the same company that I hired into in the '90s.
@hn Unfortunately, anyone who even remotely speaks up about their experience (even anonymously) often faces covert, targeted suppression. That’s why most people are afraid to share or even talk about it, even after they've left. Most likely, they’ve already felt the pressure firsthand, so you won’t get many specifics.
much of what is written in this thread is true. It's unfortunate, but true. You can take the offer until you find something better suited. I've seen a number of people that were supposed to start witht he company only to find out they accepted an offer somewhere else. I think it was smart on their part knowing what goes on and what I see. Too many carrots dangled my way that were fake. Too many long periods of time without an increase. No training. Development was on my own outside of work. The only thing positive is Ford looks good on a resume to those who don't know how crummy the place really is to work at.
@dn Bait and switch. Some do have relatively normal FCG experiences, but the gamble is too big to justify risking your career straight out of university. The other side of the coin is real damage: mentally, professionally, and emotionally. I honestly believe it comes down to who has protection and who doesn’t. They seem to weigh the liability and decide who they can get away with unfair treatment. Best of luck, @OP.