Thread regarding Elevance Health (Anthem) layoffs

@19k You are just a leader that has already “gotten yours” and reason you are speaking out. You don’t want to share the better pay with other hard working employees that work just as hard or harder than you and have just as much acumen.

A union will help is “get ours!” Our piece of the pie. But of course leaders do not want that because it cuts into yours.

Now ask yourself why the UPS pension plan needs to get bailed out every few years.

You think having one set of big shots making a fortune off of you is bad, go union and have two sets instead of one.

As always, follow the money. Adding a union just creates a second set of pockets for your money to go in and disappear.

And a second avenue of fraud and waste and abuse.

Sure, let's just make it twice as bad as it is now.

There are enough issues, well documented in all of these threads. Adding a union isn't the answer. It's just a path to make things even worse.

@16v You said, “ Staff work fewer hours and have richer benefits.l

I guess we can’t have that, now can we?! Heaven forbid employees be happy!

/sarcasm off

Back in the 1990’s, VBH unionized to get the General Motors contract, along with then Chrysler and Ford and some other union plans. VBH became ValueOptions, Beacon and then Anthem/ DBG and Carelon BH.
All of those union accounts are gone, maybe a handful of union staff remain. Clients dried up and Corporate stopped giving new business to that Michigan team 15 years ago. The clients are gone and the business model was not sustainable. Staff work fewer hours and have richer benefits. With shrinking customers and nothing new in the pipeline, the staff shrunk down to nothing.
For those who think a union will solve all your problems, it might make it worse. Which is not offer any extra protections and certainly does not contribute to satisfaction.

@en Nah, Elevance needs a union and you know it. It is just that you are some overpaid middle level leader that has to speak out against.

@ec Go work for UPS if you’re so in love with them.

@ay A few corporate outliers and some names of Anthem’s union clients is not indicative of a unionization trend.

@ee No, I understood. Who cares wjat Elevance wants; this is what the employees want.

Yes, just like every other company before they had a union had done, Elevance will do everything they can to oppose and prevent it. But the employees will just need to not be easily scared nor deterred from persevering to make a union happen. Good things do not come easy.

@ec You obviously didn’t comprehend my statement. This is what they will do to PREVENT a Union from forming at Elevance. You are acting like trying to form a Union will not have any opposition from Elevance. Do you really think Elevance wants a union to form and will just rollover and do nothing to try and prevent it?

@av Your argument is fallacious and I will give one good example as to why.

UPS has every type of role just about that Elevance has. They have professional IT, Engineers, Human Resources, Logistical Personnel, Directors, Vice Presidents, you name it. And probably every rile gets paid more at UPS for the same role as Elevance.

UPS had a union. And employees are happy with their union, have more job security, have better working conditions, better more fair leaders, have better health insurance, get more time off, and get paid better.

UPS and their union give to PAC. Political candidates love the monies they receive from both UPS and their union.

So, there you go. Argument successfully refuted. I couldn’t do so yesterday because the admins on this site locked me out, claiming “unusual behavior.” Guess someone did not like the post about a union and paid off this site.

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@br You are totally wrong. Next time UPS delivers a package, ask them if they are glad they have a union. They will tell you, yes.

I waste enough of my paycheck on promises that will never pay off, I don't need to waste more on a completely worthless union.

A Union is most definitely coming to Elevance! It is just a matter as to when.

@at Okay, here is the kind of list you wanted? Not sure why I am doing your research for you. It is not hard. It is just you trying to pretend or make others think one thing that is false.

White-collar unionization has grown within the technology sector, alongside specialized health insurance and benefit programs tailored for unionized workforces.

Health Insurance Providers Serving Unions & White-Collar Labor Plans

Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS): Operates a dedicated National Labor Office that covers more than 18 million unionized workers, retirees, and families.
Anthem: Provides specialized Labor & Trust health plans covering over 2.4 million union members and employers.
UnitedHealthcare: Manages Taft-Hartley and multi-employer health trust funds serving over 1 million union members nationwide.
American Income Life: Offers customized insurance and protection packages built explicitly in coordination with international labor unions and the AFL-CIO.
Tech Companies with White-Collar Unions

Kickstarter: Became the first white-collar tech workforce in the U.S. to unionize (OPEIU Local 153) in February 2020.
Alphabet (Google, YouTube, Waymo): Over 1,400 engineers, analysts, and corporate workers formed the Alphabet Workers Union (AWU-CWA Local 7800). (Note: This is a minority/associate union rather than a formally certified collective bargaining unit).
ZeniMax Studios (Microsoft): Quality assurance testers and game developers unionized with the Communications Workers of America (CWA).
Outten & Golden: A prominent white-collar law and tech-adjacent firm with organized staff representation.

@aw But you cannot really blame them, as they are just the product that corporations like this make into middle level leaders.

Complete devoid of any wholesome conscience whatsoever.

See, the very last two posts, just below mine here, goes to show you the corruptness and pure evil mentality of these 5 major health insurance corporations, which stems from greed.

The person, or persons, for those two posts almost gleefully brag about it as though being so evil and corrupt is some sort of badge of honor.

To that, I say, DESPICABLE!

Well if you try, I believe Elevance will find a way to move even more jobs overseas. Also, if you donate to the PAC, you can bet some of those dollars will go to lobbyists who will find ways to squash efforts to unionize. They will probably say unions will just contribute to the rise in health costs. Our legislators aren’t going to anything to jeopardize any sweet campaign donations from Elevance.

@a7 Most of those are government or government adjacent. Not many unions in cut throat financial and insurance firms.

@a4 Elevance WILL HAVE THAT and their employees will grow to love it!

@a5
Common White-Collar Union Jobs

• Public School Teachers and Professors: Represented by major organizations like the National Education Association (NEA) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT).
• Registered Nurses (RNs) and Healthcare Staff: Negotiate hours, safety standards, and pay through unions like National Nurses United and the AFT.
• Engineers and Technical Specialists: Aerospace and defense engineers are often represented by groups like the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA).
• Lawyers, Paralegals, and Legal Aid Staff: Employed at legal non-profits or public defender offices represented by local unions (such as UAW Local 2320 / Legal Services NYC).
• Journalists and Media Workers: Writers, editors, and digital content creators in newsrooms frequently unionize with the NewsGuild-CWA.
• Government and Civil Service Employees: Administrative, financial, and clerical staff at local, state, and federal levels are commonly represented by unions like AFSCME.
• Tech and Game Workers: Software engineers, testers, and quality assurance staff at companies like Alphabet (Google), Kickstarter, and Bethesda Game Studios have formed unions or worker-led associations.
• Social Workers and Caseworkers: Public and non-profit social service providers often belong to public-sector or service-employee unions.

@a5 YEP! There are

Other than in government jobs, are there any white collar unions?

Elevance is not having that